(09-13-2020, 04:32 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]The Nuggets performance against the Clippers shows us that we might not be as close as we think we are. We are exactly the 7th best team. You are throwing around assets for 2021 UFAs like Schroeder or Holiday, as if they´d make us contenders next season. We´ll need to nail the draft this season and FA in 2020/2021 to set ourselves up for multiple actual runs in the future. Our time is not 2020/2021. It´s 2021+.
If our team was whole and KP hadn’t gotten screwed in game 1, better than 50% chance it’s us vs Nuggets right now.
(09-13-2020, 03:32 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Schroeder is interesting bc we know OKC is going to be in sell off mode. Dennis had a great year and is expiring so OKC should get a good return. I think OKC would definitely do 18 + Wright and Jackson for Schroeder unless they get a better offer. 18 might be the highest pick they would get but seems a bit rich.
I am not sure what role Dennis would have with all the guards we already have. I would definitely do the trade if it was Powell and Wright simply for cap reasons.
Schroeder would be a good fit but seems like a luxury. We need defense, rebounding and toughness. I don’t think we can afford to use all our capital on scoring leaving only the MLE
(09-13-2020, 04:32 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]The Nuggets performance against the Clippers shows us that we might not be as close as we think we are.
How exactly? We played without our 2nd best player almost the whole series. Clippers have blown 3 HUGE leads against us and now 2 against DEN. The difference is we came back with our offense, Denver is coming back on their defense (Love me some Garry Harris). Clippers are playing really bad/lazy/disintrested, just like they played us. Harrell (destroyed by Boban) is getting smashed again. Doc refuses to make adjustments and banks on the talent.
(09-13-2020, 04:27 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Schroder was +8.8 (!!!!) on/off defensively with OKC last year. They gave up 111.8 pts when he sat (114.9 in the playoffs) and only 103.0 when he played (103.8 in the playoffs).
Point being: He is a positive defensively and can guard the little guys that Luka can't AND he is an incredible sparkplug on offense that I think would be unstoppable in RC's system.
He is VERY high on my list for trade targets with the likes of OPJ, Tomas, Jrue, etc.
I am just going to quote myself to bring home the point of Schroder's INCREDIBLE impact on the OKC defense this year.
(09-13-2020, 04:38 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2020, 04:32 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]The Nuggets performance against the Clippers shows us that we might not be as close as we think we are. We are exactly the 7th best team. You are throwing around assets for 2021 UFAs like Schroeder or Holiday, as if they´d make us contenders next season. We´ll need to nail the draft this season and FA in 2020/2021 to set ourselves up for multiple actual runs in the future. Our time is not 2020/2021. It´s 2021+.
And if you screw the draft, which is very likely? Than that pick is worthless, you still have Wright on your team, no max cap space in 2021 and you basically didn't improve. If you can get a player like Schroeder for Wright and Jackson, you do it. He makes us better. In 2021 we can resign him and Hardaway, dump both and sign Giannis, dump both and sign two other free agents or whatever other combination you prefer. This way is much more certain we will gradually become a contender than "all bets on draft" strategy you propose. Unless of course, Mavs are absolutely sure they have a draft winner.
And if you draft the next Jimmy Butler? It´s not about an "all bets on the draft" strategy. It´s about building a real contender core, not another 1st round exit machine with annual roster turnovers.
You know when the time was to get Schroeder? When the Thunder traded him for Melo. It´s always the same with the Mavs and trades. Short-sightedness and late to the party. You don´t trade for guys like Schroeder, when they have 12 months left and their value is at an all-time high.
(09-13-2020, 04:32 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]The Nuggets performance against the Clippers shows us that we might not be as close as we think we are. We are exactly the 7th best team. You are throwing around assets for 2021 UFAs like Schroeder or Holiday, as if they´d make us contenders next season. We´ll need to nail the draft this season and FA in 2020/2021 to set ourselves up for multiple actual runs in the future. Our time is not 2020/2021. It´s 2021+.
Our “time” is now in regard to building the team. It’s extremely important to bring in all the right pieces BEFORE Luka signs his max.
You’re right that those years past 2021 are the prime years to compete on the court. The time to try out new players is now. Get the best fits possible. Cuban isn’t afraid to pay tax on a winning team with too many good players
(09-13-2020, 05:02 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]It´s about building a real contender core, not another 1st round exit machine with annual roster turnovers.
Who is speaking about a roster turnover? I am speaking about dropping two contracts that are clearly not working for an established starter.
(09-13-2020, 05:02 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]You know when the time was to get Schroeder? When the Thunder traded him for Melo. It´s always the same with the Mavs and trades. Short-sightedness and late to the party. You don´t trade for guys like Schroeder, when they have 12 months left and their value is at an all-time high.
Always, you say? So they traded for KP at his peak? Aren't you in the "let's trade KP if the price is right camp"?
(09-13-2020, 05:02 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2020, 04:38 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2020, 04:32 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]The Nuggets performance against the Clippers shows us that we might not be as close as we think we are. We are exactly the 7th best team. You are throwing around assets for 2021 UFAs like Schroeder or Holiday, as if they´d make us contenders next season. We´ll need to nail the draft this season and FA in 2020/2021 to set ourselves up for multiple actual runs in the future. Our time is not 2020/2021. It´s 2021+.
And if you screw the draft, which is very likely? Than that pick is worthless, you still have Wright on your team, no max cap space in 2021 and you basically didn't improve. If you can get a player like Schroeder for Wright and Jackson, you do it. He makes us better. In 2021 we can resign him and Hardaway, dump both and sign Giannis, dump both and sign two other free agents or whatever other combination you prefer. This way is much more certain we will gradually become a contender than "all bets on draft" strategy you propose. Unless of course, Mavs are absolutely sure they have a draft winner.
And if you draft the next Jimmy Butler? It´s not about an "all bets on the draft" strategy. It´s about building a real contender core, not another 1st round exit machine with annual roster turnovers.
You know when the time was to get Schroeder? When the Thunder traded him for Melo. It´s always the same with the Mavs and trades. Short-sightedness and late to the party. You don´t trade for guys like Schroeder, when they have 12 months left and their value is at an all-time high.
You draft the next jimmy butler and he will be an all star 5 years from now. A superstar 10 years from now. Even if you hit in the draft they usually take awhile to develop. Luka is rare
im with you we need to get young talent, but we’re ready to win now, so good young players ready to win now are even more valuable than draft picks
(09-13-2020, 04:38 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2020, 04:32 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]The Nuggets performance against the Clippers shows us that we might not be as close as we think we are. We are exactly the 7th best team. You are throwing around assets for 2021 UFAs like Schroeder or Holiday, as if they´d make us contenders next season. We´ll need to nail the draft this season and FA in 2020/2021 to set ourselves up for multiple actual runs in the future. Our time is not 2020/2021. It´s 2021+.
And if you screw the draft, which is very likely? Than that pick is worthless, you still have Wright on your team, no max cap space in 2021 and you basically didn't improve. If you can get a player like Schroeder for Wright and Jackson, you do it. He makes us better. In 2021 we can resign him and Hardaway, dump both and sign Giannis, dump both and sign two other free agents or whatever other combination you prefer. This way is much more certain we will gradually become a contender than "all bets on draft" strategy you propose. Unless of course, Mavs are absolutely sure they have a draft winner.
Exactly. We want that flexibility. Bring in the best players we can this offseason. Not sure if that’s Schroeder but having Hardaway and another high level players bird rights gives us options going forward
(09-13-2020, 05:19 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if that’s Schroeder but having Hardaway and another high level players bird rights gives us options going forward
Don't get me wrong, I am not all in on Schroeder or saying he is best option. Mavs can't afford best options. I am in the camp "trade Wright and Jackson for best possible player. Attach picks if necessary". If that is Schroeder, I am fine. If that is Richardson, I am fine. If that is "just" Young, I am also fine. I am sure Mavs will do due dilligence and check all options.
(09-13-2020, 04:58 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2020, 04:27 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Schroder was +8.8 (!!!!) on/off defensively with OKC last year. They gave up 111.8 pts when he sat (114.9 in the playoffs) and only 103.0 when he played (103.8 in the playoffs).
Point being: He is a positive defensively and can guard the little guys that Luka can't AND he is an incredible sparkplug on offense that I think would be unstoppable in RC's system.
He is VERY high on my list for trade targets with the likes of OPJ, Tomas, Jrue, etc.
I am just going to quote myself to bring home the point of Schroder's INCREDIBLE impact on the OKC defense this year.
@"Kammrath" et al would you start Schroeder? I am guessing you would do Luka, Schroeder, THJ, DFS, KP unless you trade THJ or find an MLE player that would upgrade DFS's spot in the lineup. Rick wouldn't be afraid to have 3 guards as he has started Curry with THJ before. It would be small-ball lineup but that's the way things are going.
I am not against it altho I still would like a really good defensive wing that could challenge for a starting spot. If Schroeder does well, he could make THJ expendable. That lineup would definitely generate a lot of offense.
(09-13-2020, 05:32 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2020, 05:19 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if that’s Schroeder but having Hardaway and another high level players bird rights gives us options going forward
Don't get me wrong, I am not all in on Schroeder or saying he is best option. Mavs can't afford best options. I am in the camp "trade Wright and Jackson for best possible player. Attach picks if necessary". If that is Schroeder, I am fine. If that is Richardson, I am fine. If that is "just" Young, I am also fine. I am sure Mavs will do due dilligence and check all options.
Ya I think the Schroeder thing checks boxes bc I am pretty sure 18 would put you near the top of offers. I might try to get a 2nd back out of the deal. Plenty of teams will have interest in Schroeder but I am not sure any would give a pick that high. The other boxes would be freeing up JJ's spot for a veteran and more importantly clearing Wright's money off the books.
(09-13-2020, 05:35 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]@Kammrath et al would you start Schroeder?
I would trust RC to figure out the best fit. I could see either way. I think Schroder coming off the bench in a "JJB on steroids" mode would be incredible while Luka rests. That is part of the appeal to Schroder for me. Though down the stretch I would want Schroder + Luka to close things out.
(09-13-2020, 05:35 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]et al would you start Schroeder?
I already answered you, perhaps you overlooked. Yes, start in "Burke" place. Luka-DS-THJ-DFS(or Kleber or MLE)-KP. If yu can get someone like Crowsder/Millsap/Grant for the MLE you are looking at a very decent team.
Also, Schroder shot 41.4% on catch and shoot threes and also 44.6% on wide open threes in addition to 38.5% overall. So he can clearly play off the ball from Luka and create space.
Schroeder is one of the few names I've seen that would make me waive goodbye to Burke.
(09-13-2020, 03:48 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2020, 03:32 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I am not sure what role Dennis would have with all the guards we already have.
Exactly the role Burke had in the playoffs. Luka-Schroeder-THJ-DFS (or Kleber) - KP is a good starting five. Brunson-Curry-MLE-Kleber-Powell is a good bench.
Makes sense altho Burke would be cheaper. If the offseason gets us Schroeder for 18/Wright/Jackson, then we get 1-2 wings from MLE + another solid wing prospect at 31 I would be pretty happy.
@"Kammrath" just split a double team and threw a lob to the rim. Now, we're all waiting for @"DanSchwartzman" to elevate and throw it down.
Schroder brings back painful memories of the 2013 draft. What's Shane Larkin up to these days?
(09-13-2020, 05:40 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2020, 05:35 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]@Kammrath et al would you start Schroeder?
I would trust RC to figure out the best fit. I could see either way. I think Schroder coming off the bench in a "JJB on steroids" mode would be incredible while Luka rests. That is part of the appeal to Schroder for me. Though down the stretch I would want Schroder + Luka to close things out.
I think I like it altho I am a Brunson super-fan so not sure I want him getting squeezed. I was in on him in the early days when it was clear that he was a better player than DSJ. Brunson's PT has been inconsistent but I could see absent a big move (like Schroeder), Brunson solidifying his role as the backup PG.
If you start Schroeder it makes the game of musical chairs a little bit easier bc you are shifting THJ to a wing role and rolling with Luka, Brunson, Schroeder & Curry as your 4 guards when everyone is healthy. Rick is not afraid of playing small with a ton of guards so I could see that scenario playing out.
Don't flame me too hard, but I don't see a need for both Curry and THJ on this team, and Curry might just end up being the best "sell high" option this summer.
I know he's wetter than rain. I know he can create for himself on those 2 dribble mid-range moves. I know he's amazing.
But, he can NOT run an offense, which is why Burke was so important in the playoffs, and why Curry's volume won't ever be high enough to make the percentages work for the power of good. And, of all the "he doesn't play defense" shade catching Mavericks, he's really the only one I completely agree with.
Don't hate me.
I think there's enough room for Schroeder (or Burke), THJ, Curry and Brunson on the TEAM, but maybe not in the healthy ROTATION.
(09-13-2020, 05:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Curry might just end up being the best "sell high" option this summer.
Well, you still need offense from bench and he can provide it. But this is what he is - a bench player. We see him as such and whole league sees him as such. So there will not be a lot of starters available in a trade for a bench player. If we just need matching contracts, we have better (or shall I say worse?) bench options like Wright. Of course if he is needed in a big trade for someone like Jrue, I am all in.