(11-06-2020, 12:14 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2020, 11:45 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2020, 11:23 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2020, 11:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]So.... everyone's out on Aaron Gordon? At one point, he was one of my favorite Mav targets.
It really depends on the price for me. But I'm very very interested in him still. If you aren't going to trade for or sign Griffin next summer, AG is my #1 PF target. Move DFS back to SF. I'm also not opposed to keeping him at the 4 and getting a legit 3.
I wonder if their is a deal where Mavs can trade for AG and 15 with 18 going to Orlando. Obviously including something else but wonder if that could happen in a deal.
Would you do Kleber, Wright, 18 and 31 for Gordon, 15 and 45? Mavs would actually save money in 21/22.
I would, if we have no shot at Jrue.
Not sure why AG has a following. It could easily be argued that Powell is a better player for this team. Not sure what Gordon has done to inspire desires to acquire him. He is pretty inefficient, not a particularly good defender, doesn't spread the floor well, and is a poor rebounder. There aren't a lot of redeeming qualities there.
I do think he would be better here than he is for Orl, given a much better fit. Having to share the floor with Vuc is really a problem for him. That said, I would prefer Maxi at his 8M over AG at 19M. He is signed through 22, so he doesn't help with capspace. The proposed trade sends out Wright, but I don't see how this makes the mavs better and you end up with Powell/AG duplication. I could talk myself into not hating it if it were Powell instead of Maxi heading out and it was cap neutral.
(11-05-2020, 11:12 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]1. Jrue...best fit next to Luka
2. Hayward...would improve our clutch performance and give us a good 3rd player...
3. Hield...if it doesn't work it is not as crippling on our future CAP and less to move plus it's the Kings who have made a ton of stupid decisions...
98. Harris...Harrison Barnes level bad contract while dealing with Morey...if it doesn't work pray for a miracle to happen before Luka's next contract...
99. Gobert...only reason is if you are certain flipping him or KP for a Star...too much money tied up for Centers and both can't close or probably exist together on court...and I am not trading KP for him either...
Where does OPJ fit in here?
(11-06-2020, 01:36 AM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2020, 11:12 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]1. Jrue...best fit next to Luka
2. Hayward...would improve our clutch performance and give us a good 3rd player...
3. Hield...if it doesn't work it is not as crippling on our future CAP and less to move plus it's the Kings who have made a ton of stupid decisions...
98. Harris...Harrison Barnes level bad contract while dealing with Morey...if it doesn't work pray for a miracle to happen before Luka's next contract...
99. Gobert...only reason is if you are certain flipping him or KP for a Star...too much money tied up for Centers and both can't close or probably exist together on court...and I am not trading KP for him either...
Where does OPJ fit in here?
98.5
(11-06-2020, 01:36 AM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2020, 11:12 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]1. Jrue...best fit next to Luka
2. Hayward...would improve our clutch performance and give us a good 3rd player...
3. Hield...if it doesn't work it is not as crippling on our future CAP and less to move plus it's the Kings who have made a ton of stupid decisions...
98. Harris...Harrison Barnes level bad contract while dealing with Morey...if it doesn't work pray for a miracle to happen before Luka's next contract...
99. Gobert...only reason is if you are certain flipping him or KP for a Star...too much money tied up for Centers and both can't close or probably exist together on court...and I am not trading KP for him either...
Where does OPJ fit in here?
Playing the 4 next to KP...
https://twitter.com/CowboysTanking/statu...4407730176
(11-06-2020, 01:36 AM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2020, 11:12 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]1. Jrue...best fit next to Luka
2. Hayward...would improve our clutch performance and give us a good 3rd player...
3. Hield...if it doesn't work it is not as crippling on our future CAP and less to move plus it's the Kings who have made a ton of stupid decisions...
98. Harris...Harrison Barnes level bad contract while dealing with Morey...if it doesn't work pray for a miracle to happen before Luka's next contract...
99. Gobert...only reason is if you are certain flipping him or KP for a Star...too much money tied up for Centers and both can't close or probably exist together on court...and I am not trading KP for him either...
Where does OPJ fit in here?
I think OPJ is great, especially relative to some of the other options we've discussed. He fits well at the 4, and you get to audition him for a season while you search the landscape for the best way to apply your flexibility, which he doesn't ruin. If another KP situation comes up, you have a contract around which a deal can be formed, and who knows - you might end up liking him enough to bring him back at a lower number. But, I DON'T think he makes the team better immediately if you have to sacrifice THJ to bring him in.
Now, if somehow they could get OPJ AND Hield, that's where the situation starts to get interesting. Not sure that's even possible, but I'd be interested in that.
@Omahen or any other supporter of a Tobis Harris trade.
I will ignore his contract. It's just a nightmare and will be gone the moment we trade for him.
So please tell me what kind of role will he play in our offense or defense.
If I think about it, I see the following:
Can't see him roll or just screen at a good enough level.
Can't imaging any playmaking, that would benefit us.
His spacing isn't good enough to make him a starter over any other player on our roster (Wright is gone here).
Are we going to play him as a post-up guy?
He won't guard any 1-3 on the perimeter. He won't be the 5.
We tend to avoid to switch the small guards, but we are switching or blitzing Powell and Kleber often.
I have no idea how Tobi would work in a zone.
I see him on every player I'd like to hide Luka on.
He would help on Zion, LeBron, Randle.
I would take Aquamen over Hawkman all day.
Also something to consider is that Harris has been on five teams already and the current one allegedly looking to get rid, too. It seems that Harris is a nice player in theory, but once you have him, you realize he´s just good-ish. Philly has two franchise talents in Embiid/Simmons, so if Harris is that 3rd guy, why are they (again allegedly) trying to move on from him. It´s not like they have a pathway to major capspace. If Cuban just can´t keep it in his pants for another 6 months, then take a chance on an expiring like Gobert, DeRozan, Drummond, LMA, OPJ or Hayward.
Though usually with the Mavs they are not sniffing around, where all the rumours have them. The real targets are probably a bit more off the beaten path. Maybe the RFA class is where it´s really at: Markkanen, Isaac, Collins, Allen, Anunoby, Ball, Fultz, Trent Jr., Kennard, Nunn, Robinson, Kuzma, Bonga, Ferguson, Ntilikina. You can really pick and choose need from that class. It has a little bit of everything.
You just need to know which owners will be very tight. Reinsdorf is notoriously tight. Does he really want to commit $110M to Markkanen during a pandemic? The best part is that, if you acquire them now, their caphold is so low that you can still get an impact FA in 2021. Those are the guys the Mavs should be looking at.
(11-06-2020, 03:20 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]@omahen or any other supporter of a Tobis Harris trade.
I will ignore his contract. It's just a nightmare and will be gone the moment we trade for him.
So please tell me what kind of role will he play in our offense or defense.
If I think about it, I see the following:
Can't see him roll or just screen at a good enough level.
Can't imaging any playmaking, that would benefit us.
His spacing isn't good enough to make him a starter over any other player on our roster (Wright is gone here).
Are we going to play him as a post-up guy?
He won't guard any 1-3 on the perimeter. He won't be the 5.
We tend to avoid to switch the small guards, but we are switching or blitzing Powell and Kleber often.
I have no idea how Tobi would work in a zone.
I see him on every player I'd like to hide Luka on.
He would help on Zion, LeBron, Randle.
As for offense, we play him spreading the floor with occasional post up. Even in his last season, which was a bit worse, he was very efficient. He was shooting 44 % on corner threes and 36 % overall on 5 attempts per game, so he is far from a bad shooter. And it is quite safe to say his looks will be better with Mavs than they were with Philly. This proves to me he can very efficiently spread the floor. He took 22 % of his shots at the rim and converted 66 % which is both good. He is taking a bit more mid range jumpers, but I am quite sure this will change with Mavs as they will be further pushing him out on the three point line.
Defensively, he is guarding big SF or PF. I don't think we need to hide him on defense. Luka can take worst opponent on positions 1-3.
(11-06-2020, 03:59 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]and the current one allegedly looking to get rid, too
Where did you see that? The current team gave him his great contract, which is overpay. I never saw they actually want to get rid of him. It was purely fan speculation because of his contract. It is not his fault they gave him the max instead of Butler. Be aware 2019 situation a lot of guys got max but are not really max players. Situation that can easily happen again in 2021.
(11-06-2020, 03:59 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Gobert, DeRozan, Drummond, LMA, OPJ or Hayward
All of these require matching contracts. Not to mention the assets needed to get them. So a big price to pay for couple of months rental. Even worse than trading for them in this offseason. Half of them (Drummond, LMA, DeRozan, Gobert) I wouldn't touch.
(11-06-2020, 03:59 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Markkanen, Isaac, Collins, Allen, Anunoby, Ball, Fultz, Trent Jr., Kennard, Nunn, Robinson, Kuzma, Bonga, Ferguson, Ntilikina
I agree with the principle, but I don't think Markkanen fits on this team as he is poor mans KP. Isaac would be great, but is even bigger injury risk than KP and Orlando will demand a fortune for him. Atlanta will demand even bigger fortune for Collins due to his inflated numbers. Anunoby would be a nice role player in the Covington mould, but I think Toronto would match every reasonable offer and it is not reasonable to offer him north of 20 per (Toronto is not selling unless you offer a fortune). Trent and Robinson are in same category. Ball, Fultz are overrated and bad fit on Mavs imho. Kuzma, Bonga, Ferguson, Ntilikina, Allen are average and should not cost more than MLE level (half of them not more than half of MLE). This leaves Kennard, which I think can be traded for and could be nice, but is far from a third star. White, that you didn't mention, could be a nice fit, if SA wouldn't see Murray/White pairing as a long term solution. He would be my favorite in the class, but it is still a question, if he can be that third "star".
OPJ - if we like him so much. Why not offer him something in the range of 80/4 and SnT him from Bulls? It makes more sense than trading for his expiring 27 mil. We can help them by taking some of their bad money like Young or Sato.
(11-05-2020, 02:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2020, 01:40 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Gobert/WCS/KP are the 1st, 20th and 29th best PLAYERS in the league in D-RPM. Yes, someone would have to cover the perimeter...especially on switches. But, there would be a highly rated shot blocker behind them at all times. I’m not sure we’ve seen that tried as there hasn’t ever been anything like KP and Gobert on the same team. That means the big on the perimeter doesn’t have to chase back to the basket. They can play fairly aggressive drop coverage and simply worry about 3 pointers as any player who goes around them will have a top shot blocker waiting for them.
We were killing it with Powell last year before KP came back into his own. Gobert is a substantial improvement over Powell. I think it would work, but we are probably only talking about 12 minutes a game. The other 32 minutes we could conceivably have one or the other star big on the floor alone
As I have stated before, I am 100% IN if Gobert is available.
If the Mavs think they can make Kemba + Luka work side by side, then by golly working KP + Gobert side by side should be doable as well.
Take the star, take the talent, let RC use it to shift the direction that the league is going so everyone suddenly wants their own KP/Gobert tandem.
#TrustRC
#TrustTheTalentWillFigureItOut
#TalentWins
Im really late. But I think the Mavs can arguably be better than any other proposal (besides trading for Giannis) if they trade for Gobert and sign Dragic in the summer. Luka/Dragic/DFS/KP/Gobert is an elite lineup. Maxi was one of the better perimeter defenders too so the Mavs could roll out some serious size in Luka/DFS/Maxi/KP/Gobert.
(11-06-2020, 04:15 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2020, 03:20 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]@omahen or any other supporter of a Tobis Harris trade.
I will ignore his contract. It's just a nightmare and will be gone the moment we trade for him.
So please tell me what kind of role will he play in our offense or defense.
If I think about it, I see the following:
Can't see him roll or just screen at a good enough level.
Can't imaging any playmaking, that would benefit us.
His spacing isn't good enough to make him a starter over any other player on our roster (Wright is gone here).
Are we going to play him as a post-up guy?
He won't guard any 1-3 on the perimeter. He won't be the 5.
We tend to avoid to switch the small guards, but we are switching or blitzing Powell and Kleber often.
I have no idea how Tobi would work in a zone.
I see him on every player I'd like to hide Luka on.
He would help on Zion, LeBron, Randle.
As for offense, we play him spreading the floor with occasional post up. Even in his last season, which was a bit worse, he was very efficient. He was shooting 44 % on corner threes and 36 % overall on 5 attempts per game, so he is far from a bad shooter. And it is quite safe to say his looks will be better with Mavs than they were with Philly. This proves to me he can very efficiently spread the floor. He took 22 % of his shots at the rim and converted 66 % which is both good. He is taking a bit more mid range jumpers, but I am quite sure this will change with Mavs as they will be further pushing him out on the three point line.
Defensively, he is guarding big SF or PF. I don't think we need to hide him on defense. Luka can take worst opponent on positions 1-3.
So, back from watching some highlights (always dangerous).
I can see your POV better now. He is a good player. I still think we need another piece beyond adding him.
?
Luka
DFS
Tobi
KP
If you say Brunson becomes FVV or we add healthy Dragic with three years left with the MLE or we trade spares for Lowry too,or the trade send Assets to the Hawks and we geht Hayes... I can see it.
I would want to have something like this first, before I go all in. It might be impossible after, because we are comited and seem desperate then.
By the way, I don´t want to hide him on defense but Luka and that´s very often on the worse 3/4 and Tobi is just like always on the 4.
(11-06-2020, 05:54 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Im really late. But I think the Mavs can arguably be better than any other proposal (besides trading for Giannis) if they trade for Gobert and sign Dragic in the summer. Luka/Dragic/DFS/KP/Gobert is an elite lineup. Maxi was one of the better perimeter defenders too so the Mavs could roll out some serious size in Luka/DFS/Maxi/KP/Gobert.
I take Tobi here before I take Gorbert at the same price.
(11-06-2020, 05:56 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I can see your POV better now. He is a good player. I still think we need another piece beyond adding him.
I wrote that already, we have plenty of options to find that missing SG. We still have a lot of role players and picks to trade, sign him for MLE or draft him.
3 team trade:
76ers get:
Curry/Powell/Kleber/Wright
Give:
Harris/Thybulle/Korkmaz/2021 2nd (NYK)
Bulls get:
THJ/JJ/Lee (SnT to match)/Thybulle
Give:
OPJ/Sato/Young
Mavs get:
Harris/Korkmaz/OPJ/Sato/Young/2021 2nd (NYK)
Luka/Brunson
Sato/Korkmaz
OPJ/DFS
Harris/Young
KP/WCS
Let that group marinate for a year and make it to the 2nd or 3rd round in the playoffs, then contend thereafter.
(11-06-2020, 06:01 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2020, 05:56 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I can see your POV better now. He is a good player. I still think we need another piece beyond adding him.
I wrote that already, we have plenty of options to find that missing SG. We still have a lot of role players and picks to trade, sign him for MLE or draft him.
To me it just seems more likely to find a fitting PF with the MLE/Draft/minor trade/Powell is able to become playable again way than to find a fitting playmaking seconary ballhandler. Or better everything I can see after THarris tradewise kills our depth. We would be Luka/~Lavine/DFS/THarris/KP + minimum players.
€dit: one of Brunson, Kleber, Curry or MLE might be there too.
Griffin, Kennard and swap firsts with Detroit. Draft Hayes or Haliburton at 7.
Give 31 and Wright, Powell and THJ.
Griffin expires 2022.
Maybe Detroit thinks Griffin is worth more than a salary dump.
Gives the Mavs two young players while Griffin could be really good when healthy this year. He would be very useful in the playoffs.
Just a spitball, trade machine says it works but may be too Mavs centric. Cuz I'm a homer
RE: Gobert
Just a couple observations about things I don't understand about the energy of people against Gobert (seems to be an extreme overreaction):
1) The Mavs defense this year was BAD, especially in the clutch, both on the perimeter AND in the interior (3s and layups killed the Mavs). The Mavs do NOT have a clear path to improve perimeter D unless Jrue is made available for the right price. You can improve D in one of two ways: get better on the perimeter (stopping 3s) or get better around the basket (stopping the layup drill). Adding Gobert makes you even better at defending the basket. Sure the perimeter D will have its weaknesses (like it already has, no change there!), but there will never be a layup line with Gobert/KP in the game. Teams will have to shoot from outside and that may beat the Mavs (but at least points in the paint and layups will not beat them). Even if Gobert or KP gets switched to the perimeter they always have the other one to back them up. This is NOT like it ever was in UTA in the playoffs. Gobert would get switched out and then UTA became a terrible defensive team with no rim protection. That will not happen with KP/Gobert.
2) The Mavs offense would NOT suffer with Gobert. He has been an offensive positive when he is the one guy who cannot spread the floor. THIS would be the case in DAL with KP spreading the floor as the PF on offense. If Gobert continues to grow as a rim runner next to Luka, then the Mavs offense could take a step forward (since DP was a loss in that regard, and the Mavs didn't have a crunch rim runner threat anymore).
SUMMARY: I think the Mavs interior (point in paint) D improves with Gobert significantly. I think the perimeter D stays the same (being a weakness still). I think the O improves once there is chemistry and familiarity built. Therefore, I think the team takes a good, positive, and significant step forward with a Gobert acquisition. The single "issue" is that your perimeter D does not improve, but I would argue that there are VERY few moves where the perimeter D actually improves this offseason anyway.
Final installment of the Hollinger series today. This time centers...
More than MLE
$17.2mm Whiteside (He won't get it as his reputation among GM's isn't good)
$15.8mm Wood (If this were 21, he'd be in a better position to cash in. Charlotte may thwart Detroit's hope to stay under $10mm with tiny cap hold).
$14.9mm Drummond (PO is $28mm and he might not get more than the MLE if he opts out if difficult market for centers)
$13.1mm Poeltl ® (A good value at the MLE despite lack of shooting and "pretty blah post game").
$12.6mm Favors (Great rebounder. Knee issues may limit him to MLE $. Best role would probably be one of the best backup centers in the league).
Mid Level Guys
$9.8mm Olynyk (PO for $12.6mm which he probably takes to wait for better market in 21. Good 3rd big at the MLE).
$8.8mm Harrell (Playoffs hurt him, but bigger issue is he's not a starter, but looking for starter $. Replacement level centers are easy to find).
Less than MLE, more than Minimum
$6.5mm Noel, $5.9mm Gasol, $5.7mm McGee, $5.6mm Kanter, $5.5mm Ibaka plus another 8 guys. He then lists Giles, Baynes, Henson, Thompson, Eubanks, Vonleh, Alexander, Hall, Hernangomez, Leonard, Muscala, Maker, Haslem, Mahinmi, Jones, Okafor and O'Quinn as minimum guys but notes all grade out as better than Replacement Level. That is part of what makes it so tough to get big money as a center. The baseline for the minimum is high. Therefore you have to be special to get big money at the position.
(11-06-2020, 08:05 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Less than MLE, more than Minimum
I would sign Hartenstein, if WCS leaves
Another interesting piece from The Athletic this morning. It asks the question whether hoarding space til 2021. It divides things into categories and Dallas is mentioned a lot.
1. Yes, if you have a credible shot at an elite FA.
They define elite as GA, Davis and Lebron. Dallas is listed in a tier behind Miami and Toronto in this regard
2. Yes, if one of the second tier FA's really moves the needle for you
Second tier is defined as Jrue, Gobert and Dipo. Dallas is mentioned as a team that would benefit from Jrue or Dipo joining the team
3. Yes, if it is a cover for saving money
Thankfully Dallas isn't mentioned in this category.
4. Otherwise, NO
While DJJ, Robinson III, Wood, Dragic and Melton (among others) won't shine as bright as some of the 2021 names, front offices that act pragmatically can set themselves up well by taking advantage of such an unusual offseason.
https://theathletic.com/2179894/2020/11/...-the-wait/
(11-06-2020, 08:02 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]RE: Gobert
Just a couple observations about things I don't understand about the energy of people against Gobert (seems to be an extreme overreaction):
1) The Mavs defense this year was BAD, especially in the clutch, both on the perimeter AND in the interior (3s and layups killed the Mavs). The Mavs do NOT have a clear path to improve perimeter D unless Jrue is made available for the right price. You can improve D in one of two ways: get better on the perimeter (stopping 3s) or get better around the basket (stopping the layup drill). Adding Gobert makes you even better at defending the basket. Sure the perimeter D will have its weaknesses (like it already has, no change there!), but there will never be a layup line with Gobert/KP in the game. Teams will have to shoot from outside and that may beat the Mavs (but at least points in the paint and layups will not beat them). Even if Gobert or KP gets switched to the perimeter they always have the other one to back them up. This is NOT like it ever was in UTA in the playoffs. Gobert would get switched out and then UTA became a terrible defensive team with no rim protection. That will not happen with KP/Gobert.
2) The Mavs offense would NOT suffer with Gobert. He has been an offensive positive when he is the one guy who cannot spread the floor. THIS would be the case in DAL with KP spreading the floor as the PF on offense. If Gobert continues to grow as a rim runner next to Luka, then the Mavs offense could take a step forward (since DP was a loss in that regard, and the Mavs didn't have a crunch rim runner threat anymore).
SUMMARY: I think the Mavs interior (point in paint) D improves with Gobert significantly. I think the perimeter D stays the same (being a weakness still). I think the O improves once there is chemistry and familiarity built. Therefore, I think the team takes a good, positive, and significant step forward with a Gobert acquisition. The single "issue" is that your perimeter D does not improve, but I would argue that there are VERY few moves where the perimeter D actually improves this offseason anyway.
I completly agree with you, but i think Gobert is not a best player to solve this problems. Especially with a max contract.
In my opinion best player to solve this problems is Myles Turner who could be also a better fit in our offense then Gobert. It's also Dallas native, fit a timeline with other Mavericks players to grow and it's also on a team friendly contract which will allow capspace in 2021 to sign a good player. Not a max player but, a player like Kelly Oubre, Gordon Hayward, Josh Richardson (player option) or Otto Porter Jr (around 20 mil per year).
What do you think Indiana would want for Turner? They were some rumours that he also want out of Indiana, like Oladipo...
(11-06-2020, 08:02 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]RE: Gobert
Just a couple observations about things I don't understand about the energy of people against Gobert (seems to be an extreme overreaction):
1) The Mavs defense this year was BAD, especially in the clutch, both on the perimeter AND in the interior (3s and layups killed the Mavs). The Mavs do NOT have a clear path to improve perimeter D unless Jrue is made available for the right price. You can improve D in one of two ways: get better on the perimeter (stopping 3s) or get better around the basket (stopping the layup drill). Adding Gobert makes you even better at defending the basket. Sure the perimeter D will have its weaknesses (like it already has, no change there!), but there will never be a layup line with Gobert/KP in the game. Teams will have to shoot from outside and that may beat the Mavs (but at least points in the paint and layups will not beat them). Even if Gobert or KP gets switched to the perimeter they always have the other one to back them up. This is NOT like it ever was in UTA in the playoffs. Gobert would get switched out and then UTA became a terrible defensive team with no rim protection. That will not happen with KP/Gobert.
2) The Mavs offense would NOT suffer with Gobert. He has been an offensive positive when he is the one guy who cannot spread the floor. THIS would be the case in DAL with KP spreading the floor as the PF on offense. If Gobert continues to grow as a rim runner next to Luka, then the Mavs offense could take a step forward (since DP was a loss in that regard, and the Mavs didn't have a crunch rim runner threat anymore).
SUMMARY: I think the Mavs interior (point in paint) D improves with Gobert significantly. I think the perimeter D stays the same (being a weakness still). I think the O improves once there is chemistry and familiarity built. Therefore, I think the team takes a good, positive, and significant step forward with a Gobert acquisition. The single "issue" is that your perimeter D does not improve, but I would argue that there are VERY few moves where the perimeter D actually improves this offseason anyway.
Coaching > everything else when it comes to defense.
Right now I fully expect any good defender that potentially ends up in Dallas to look worse than he did before. That said a KP/Gobert duo offers a lot of options. Especially when it comes to zone schemes.
In the end there is a point where talent>fit. Gobert has been a top 20 player by nearly all impact metrics for multiple seasons. Most discussed wing/guard options (except for Holiday, healthy Oladipo, healthy Hayward) aren´t even in the top 50.