This is what I'd envision for Utah after trading Gobert/Conley here. They need to extend Mitchell this off-season or risk another Hayward moment. They won't have room to retain Clarkson and use the MLE as currently constructed. I actually think it makes sense for them to take care of business in 20 rather than wait for 21 including extending Mitchell, retaining Clarkson and using the MLE to sign Gobert's eventual replacement.
Mitchell/Wright
Hardaway/Clarkson
Bogdonovic/Ingles
O'Neal/Maxi
Poeltl/Bradley
That's not a terrible recovery considering they are a year from Gobert leaving for nothing in return. BTW, I had forgotten Gobert is super-max eligible...which makes this off-season even trickier for them.
For Dallas:
Conley/Brunson
Luka/Curry
DFS/MLE
KP/Powell
Gobert/WCS
I think they would actually keep Gobert instead of going for Giannis. Gobert is your third star, just not in the traditional sense. 18 could be used on another 1/2 or 2/1 type given the age of Curry and Conley. A perimeter shooting 4/3 or 3/4 would make sense at 31.
(10-24-2020, 08:56 AM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://hoopshype.com/2020/06/11/nba-pla...r-follows/
Shows Gobert followed Cuban on Oct 13th. That is the day Windhorst made the head of the line comment for Giannis.
DSJ followed NBA central accidentally. He was looking for CBA league.
(10-24-2020, 09:11 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]This is what I'd envision for Utah after trading Gobert/Conley here. They need to extend Mitchell this off-season or risk another Hayward moment. They won't have room to retain Clarkson and use the MLE as currently constructed. I actually think it makes sense for them to take care of business in 20 rather than wait for 21 including extending Mitchell, retaining Clarkson and using the MLE to sign Gobert's eventual replacement.
Mitchell/Wright
Hardaway/Clarkson
Bogdonovic/Ingles
O'Neal/Maxi
Poeltl/Bradley
That's not a terrible recovery considering they are a year from Gobert leaving for nothing in return. BTW, I had forgotten Gobert is super-max eligible...which makes this off-season even trickier for them.
For Dallas:
Conley/Brunson
Luka/Curry
DFS/MLE
KP/Powell
Gobert/WCS
I think they would actually keep Gobert instead of going for Giannis. Gobert is your third star, just not in the traditional sense. 18 could be used on another 1/2 or 2/1 type given the age of Curry and Conley. A perimeter shooting 4/3 or 3/4 would make sense at 31.
Gobert/Conley for THJ/Wright/Kleber/Jackson/Boban. Can that really be legal? That´s $61M vs. $46M.
(10-24-2020, 09:15 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] Gobert/Conley for THJ/Wright/Kleber/Jackson/Boban. Can that really be legal? That´s $61M vs. $46M.
No. It takes $48mm to match $60mm. I don't envision Boban going. I envision Lee going in a S&T for about $7mm. Again, just fantasy trading and spit-balling here.
Ya, in a Gobert trade I can’t believe any trade without Kleber outgoing. That’s got to be at least a bit of the compensation for losing possibly the best defender in the league, even if he isn’t gonna resign. Conley is another interesting addition. It’s hard to imagine Utah being dumb enough to give up both, and in the same deal as well.
It’s funny to me that I’ve proposed these same type of pie in the sky trades not too long ago and only got responses of “never gonna happen so don’t care”-type responses. Guess I got bored with the offseason quicker than some of you guys...
If Utah were to do something like this, I see them wanting slightly more compensation than what Dan proposed. A future protected first and second, or Brunson in lieu of the first. One other possible angle, does this give Utah any money to spend in FA this year? I can see them wanting and getting someone like Grant if they have even slightly more than MLE money.
WCS could be another Gobert replacement. They end up being:
Mitchell/Wright
THJ/Clarkson
Bogdanovic/Ingles
Grant/ONeal
WCS/Kleber
That is probably a playoff team. Allows them to see if Mitchell is a guy that can carry a team as the lone star. Gets their payroll in check during these tough times.
I have started following Emmy Rossum on Twitter. Watch out.
Now this is an interesting and new trade idea from Bleacher. I would seriously consider it, if it brings someone we really like with 13:
- we get a building block with #13
- we clear some 2021 money
Dallas Mavericks acquire JJ Redick and the No. 13 pick in the 2020 draft from the New Orleans Pelicans for Maxi Kleber and the No. 18 pick in the 2020 draft.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2914...y-nba-team
If Vassell or Haliburton fall to #13 then I think I would do it. Otherwise I am out with Maxi being the cost.
(10-24-2020, 11:31 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Now this is an interesting and new trade idea from Bleacher. I would seriously consider it, if it brings someone we really like with 13:
- we get a building block with #13
- we clear some 2021 money
Dallas Mavericks acquire JJ Redick and the No. 13 pick in the 2020 draft from the New Orleans Pelicans for Maxi Kleber and the No. 18 pick in the 2020 draft.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2914...y-nba-team
I think the value is right in that trade, however, we would HAVE to be looking to trade one of Curry or THJ (or both) for something of pretty large value in that case (Curry for Richardson?). I see JJ Reddick closer to the Kerr type than Curry cause he finds ways to get his shot off more than Curry IMO, or in other words, he doesn't need as much space as Curry does to take the shot.
I wonder in this case where we could get if we combine #13 and 31 too (add Brunson and Jackson in a trade dump for the other team?), if there is someone we want in the 6-10 range? For instance, Derrick Rose/#7 for Brunson/Jackson/#13/#31? Rose is an upgraded Burke IMO, while Brunson gets to show what he's capable of as a starting PG in Det.
(10-24-2020, 11:48 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]If Vassell or Haliburton fall to #13 then I think I would do it. Otherwise I am out with Maxi being the cost.
At #7, Dallas could probably have their pick of their favorite between Vassell or Haliburton right?
Just make that a 3 team trade:
Dallas in:
Reddick/Rose/#7
Dallas out:
Maxi/Brunson/JJ/#18/#31
Detroit in:
Brunson/JJ/#13/#31
Detroit out:
Rose/#7
New Orleans in:
Kleber/#18
New Orleans out:
Reddick/#13
Luka/Rose/Burke
Haliburton or Vassell/Reddick/Vet Min
Richardson/DFS/Vet Min
(THJ compensation)/Powell/Vet Min
KP/WCS/Boban
RoCo and Tucker for THJ and 2021 Second
Luka/Rose/Burke (partial MLE)
Haliburton or Vassell/Reddick/Vet Min or Partial MLE
Richardson/DFS/
Vet Min or Partial MLE
RoCo/Tucker/Powell
KP/WCS/Boban
Gobert just likes shark tank
(10-24-2020, 10:40 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Ya, in a Gobert trade I can’t believe any trade without Kleber outgoing. That’s got to be at least a bit of the compensation for losing possibly the best defender in the league, even if he isn’t gonna resign. Conley is another interesting addition. It’s hard to imagine Utah being dumb enough to give up both, and in the same deal as well.
Why? Conley has largely been a disappointment, being outplayed by Clarkson. It makes a lot of sense for them to dump his remaining contract. They get #18+#31 from the Mavs, plus their own pick at #23, they could draft their "replacements". Historically Utah has done pretty well staying afloat with their drafting and proactive trading. Maybe they get Smith at #18, Anthony/Terry at #23 and Stewart/Carey/Azubuike at #31.
For the Mavs it makes sense, since the contracts are so large that at least one of Powell and Wright has to be in the trade, possibly both. Since Gobert/Conley are free agents you actually gain cap flexibility. Furthermore it´s a move that could make us a legit contender, if it goes extremely well, unlike a Oladipo trade for example. Especially since it would attract ring chasers imho. Suddenly somebody like Gallinari could be interested to sign with the Euro All-Stars for the MLE.
I´m not even sure the Jazz can ask for much more than #18+#31+future 1st. Most people around the league assume they will let Gobert walk as the trend of not overpaying the C position is accelerated by COVID. Conley has no positive value either. So three virtual 1st round picks seems very fair compensation given that they have to take some of our dreck. Therefore I´m not even sure Kleber, Curry or Brunson have to be in the deal. Certainly not more than one of them.
I can still see this go horribly wrong and it would truly be an awkward fit, but you´d still be in a good spot for 2021. Gallinari on the MLE, maybe re-sign Conley to a $5-8M contract. You still have $25-30M left to spend on somebody else, if Gobert doesn´t work out.
I shake my head with any of these trades that send a center back to Dallas. KP is the center y'all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y93fx0ZDLAQ
Check this out for anyone on the fence about Gobert's effectiveness, especially in the playoffs. He is not Steven Adams or Andre Drummond. He is one of the few bigman that doesn't get outrun in the playoffs and can stay on the floor. Hell, he managed to stay on the court when the ultra small ball Rockets played, and thats as quick as it gets.
LAL just won with 3 traditional bigmen. AD being the lone stretch dude.
I don't care who the Mavs send out as long as its not KP or Luka if the Mavs can snag Gobert. Conley was at one point one of the best perimeter guards and is a traditional ball handler to pair next to Luka.
What a steal for the Mavs if this fantasy could work.
(10-24-2020, 02:49 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I shake my head with any of these trades that send a center back to Dallas. KP is the center y'all.
Completely agree. The only exception would be if Dallas can rip the Jazz off in terms of value and then move Gobert later for a bigger return. I see next to no chance of that happening though. Utah isn't as incompetent as New York.
I also don't feel that Conley makes us any better. Even ignoring the picks, I'd take THJ straight up over him.
(10-24-2020, 03:01 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care who the Mavs send out as long as its not KP or Luka if the Mavs can snag Gobert. Conley was at one point one of the best perimeter guards and is a traditional ball handler to pair next to Luka.
What a steal for the Mavs if this fantasy could work.
Exactly this. It is lazy armchair GMing IMO to suggest that Gobert isn't good enough to go "all in" on.
He is probably the most gettable superstar in the game right now due to circumstances and league copycat trends.
I hadn't thought much ab Mike Conley but it's not bad if you are getting him at a discount. I am not sure what Mavs have that Jazz would want and not sure Mavs would want to give a whole lot for Conley.
I still don't understand why everybody thinks taking on money means there have to be an additionial bad contract. Taking on money could just be someone like CP3, Lowry or Conley - or Love if we would be into him.
(10-24-2020, 03:14 PM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]I also don't feel that Conley makes us any better. Even ignoring the picks, I'd take THJ straight up over him.
Isn’t that the point if you are Utah. No one would be including Conley if his value was positive.
(10-24-2020, 04:54 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2020, 03:14 PM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]I also don't feel that Conley makes us any better. Even ignoring the picks, I'd take THJ straight up over him.
Isn’t that the point if you are Utah. No one would be including Conley if his value was positive.
Yes, although I've heard comments that he would still be a positive on the floor despite his negative trade value. Perhaps I'm mixing conversations from another board though as I'm not seeing those statements in the last few pages here.