(10-18-2020, 01:53 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Well, Cuban did reportedly say the Mav's are willing to eat salary to get a star. Wall is salary and Beal is a star. So, would you/would they:
Wall/Beal
for
THJ/Powell/Wright/Jackson and Lee signed for 1 year at $12mm
Bold. And it would certainly limit the financial flexibility elsewhere. But yes, I'd do that deal. And for a fresh start, I bet Washington might as well.
Like you, I suspect that a healthy Wall could eventually be rebuilt into a good player and an asset that could be traded even at that money (perhaps for guys like Horford & Harris who are similarly overpaid). And in the meantime, it would be an interesting experiment to simply ignore the salary and let him go crazy as the 6th man.
(10-18-2020, 02:20 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://sports.yahoo.com/rumor-lakers-mu...59461.html
Educated guess:
Rose/Justin Jackson to LA
Wright/31 to Detroit
Danny Green to Dallas
LA has only so many contracts to trade, and it just feels like Green to Dallas is inevitable.
(10-18-2020, 04:40 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]LA has only so many contracts to trade, and it just feels like Green to Dallas is inevitable.
Wouldn’t shock me, but I sure hope you’re wrong.
Regarding Dan's idea, I just don't see it. If Washington wants to rebuild and I'm the GM, I just trade Beal to maximize the return on assets. Including pick swaps seems a little too one-sided in Dallas' favor. I also don't see a universe where Wall, given his injury history and contract size, is anything but a negative asset. If you acquired him and wanted to ditch him down the line, you aren't going to return neutral or positive assets.
(10-18-2020, 01:53 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Well, Cuban did reportedly say the Mav's are willing to eat salary to get a star. Wall is salary and Beal is a star. So, would you/would they:
Wall/Beal
for
THJ/Powell/Wright/Jackson and Lee signed for 1 year at $12mm
Does Washington want a total reboot. This saves them $16mm in 20/21, but a ton over the lives of the contracts of Wall/Beal since Lee, Jackson and THJ are expiring. If they were willing to let Bertans walk, they could pay VanVleet $20mm this summer and still have max room in 2021. This is almost literally a nuclear winter type deal depending on the temperature in DC at Thanksgiving.
There is video out there showing Wall dunking and making spin moves. Could you turn him into a one year reputation rehab like Chris Paul? Would you deal him afterwards or keep him? Should one team of the other get some draft compensation? That is an unbelievable amount of money to take on for Dallas. Swap 9 for 18 and 37 for 31? Beal takes THJ's place in the lineup. Wall could be on a minutes restriction and still get more minutes than Wright played. He's so ball dominant that he'd probably work better as sixth man than starting next to Luka (poor Brunson). We aren't counting on anything from Jackson and #9 could be used to draft a replacement for Powell (Tobin, Precious or Williams?). Or, if you stay at 18, maybe Jalen Smith?
Do I think this is likely? No. But, it probably best embodies the spirit of what Charania wrote this week. I could actually see Dallas do this as Wall isn't totally dead money. Tons of teams are going to have cap room in 2021 and someone is going to be left without a chair when the music stops. If Wall could hold it together for just a little while, Dallas could sent him somewhere in a year and possibly get some value for him. Washington would be historically, New Jersey Generals bad for a long time. The question is do they want a total do-over or do they want to get real on-court value for Beal and struggle through 3 more years of Wall while doing so.
A couple things. I agree with
cow that the pick swap makes it a bit too Mavs-sided. I also think there would be teams out there that would take on Wall's contract to get Beal so if that were on the table, it would have already been done. Pick swapping #18 for #37 maybe? Also, with Wall here, we could forgo any picks by adding Brunson to the trade to give him a shot at reaching his full potential which means Lee gets signed for a bit less.
I don't agree that there is no way Wall could have a resurgence as a 6th man who is given the green light to go hog wild when he is in the game. Not so much that the contract becomes an asset, but enough that another team sees him as a starter again and would trade for a potential bigger resurgence (like CP3 who was said at one point to be too overpaid to be tradeable).
Biggest question is do we get an extension with Beal when we trade for him or do we have him as a 1 year rental? Also, is he a good defender? I don't remember him being that much of a good one. If he isn't, those 2 other starters had better be RoCo good at least.
(10-18-2020, 09:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]is he a good defender?
The last two seasons Beal has been -5.8 and -10.7 (!) on D (on/off), the worst for his whole team both seasons (!).
He was literally the 3rd worst defender (!) in the whole NBA according to DRPM (-4.79). Only Isaiah Thomas and Trae Young were worst defenders.
Does that mean he can't be serviceable if in a better situation? No. But do NOT count on him to be anything that helps team D.
(10-18-2020, 10:06 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 09:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]is he a good defender?
The last two seasons Beal has been -5.8 and -10.7 (!) on D (on/off), the worst for his whole team both seasons (!).
He was literally the 3rd worst defender (!) in the whole NBA according to DRPM (-4.79). Only Isaiah Thomas and Trae Young were worst defenders.
Does that mean he can't be serviceable if in a better situation? No. But do NOT count on him to be anything that helps team D.
Ugh, that does not look promising at all.
(10-18-2020, 10:06 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 09:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]is he a good defender?
The last two seasons Beal has been -5.8 and -10.7 (!) on D (on/off), the worst for his whole team both seasons (!).
He was literally the 3rd worst defender (!) in the whole NBA according to DRPM (-4.79). Only Isaiah Thomas and Trae Young were worst defenders.
Does that mean he can't be serviceable if in a better situation? No. But do NOT count on him to be anything that helps team D.
In the mantra of Ol'Nellie, why care about them scoring 130 on you if you can drop 150 on them?
3 questions for a Monday morning:
- Is the $115MM salary cap a firm number now? Or is it still under negotiation?
- What is the timing on some of the player option/team option decisions? Mainly wondering if there is a clock ticking on when THJ has to make his decision. I assume all the capholds are instantly erasable at any time by the team.
- I see V Oliadipo has announced that he expects a max salary for his next contract. He's a good player, but that seems a stretch to me. With that expectation, doesn't it make him almost untradeable?
(10-19-2020, 09:36 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]3 questions for a Monday morning:
- Is the $115MM salary cap a firm number now? Or is it still under negotiation?
- What is the timing on some of the player option/team option decisions? Mainly wondering if there is a clock ticking on when THJ has to make his decision. I assume all the capholds are instantly erasable at any time by the team.
- I see V Oliadipo has announced that he expects a max salary for his next contract. He's a good player, but that seems a stretch to me. With that expectation, doesn't it make him almost untradeable?
I agree, these are the questions. Here's my thinking on them right now.
1. I'm not sure it's final yet, but it seems like the cap will be in the range of $109-115 million. That seems pretty safe.
2. No idea. Lots of questions here lately about that. Would love to know, and I can't believe Fish hasn't reported exact dates.
3. I think he's tradable, even if it's just to move the contract. ALL expiring contracts have availability, especially with 2021 looming large. I agree that his value as a piece to include in future plans is much lower than fans think, because of the contractual issues you mention and because he hasn't really been a good player since coming back. The contract is GOLD, though.
(10-19-2020, 09:36 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ][*]Is the $115MM salary cap a firm number now? Or is it still under negotiation?
[*]What is the timing on some of the player option/team option decisions? Mainly wondering if there is a clock ticking on when THJ has to make his decision. I assume all the capholds are instantly erasable at any time by the team.
[*]I see V Oliadipo has announced that he expects a max salary for his next contract. He's a good player, but that seems a stretch to me. With that expectation, doesn't it make him almost untradeable?
[*]
1) The number will be $109M at BEST. If the NBA and players cannot come to an agreement to change the cap mechanism, then teams think the cap would drop to about $90M. I think there is ZERO chance the cap is higher than $109M. I do think $109M is the most likely because I don't think anyone wants a cap drop.
2) All the options are getting pushed down the road. Most options will be AFTER the draft (Nov 18). Basically the draft is the next domino that must fall before anything else.
3) I would not trade for Dipo unless he was almost given away. He is a huge risk and also seems like his attitude might lead him to screwing over the team that would trade for him. I wouldn't touch him.
https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1318206885347102720
(10-19-2020, 10:36 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]3) I would not trade for Dipo unless he was almost given away.
Ah, Dipo is extremely low risk scenario. If he works out and wants to stay, great. If not, we have our cap space for 2021. Paying #18 and some role players is like he was given away.
That Cato piece is crappy. He doesn't want Giannis because Mavs would be too good and it would take romantics out of basketball. Because it would be like Durant to GSW move. Well, mr. Cato, this Mavs team needs to win something first, to be compared to that GSW team.
(10-19-2020, 10:36 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]1) The number will be $109M at BEST. If the NBA and players cannot come to an agreement to change the cap mechanism, then teams think the cap would drop to about $90M. I think there is ZERO chance the cap is higher than $109M. I do think $109M is the most likely because I don't think anyone wants a cap drop.
What are you basing this assertion on? Did I miss an article? If so, this is being reported wildly differently from source to source. I saw the $115 million number thrown around just yesterday.
Trading Beal to dump Wall would be the stupidest thing. Why would Washington do that? If they trade Beal it's going to be for a large package of picks and/or a young talented player. Think Paul George trade. That's what a rebuilding team needs, not cap relief. If you are rebuilding, it's a multi-year project anyway. Who cares if wall is getting paid 40 mil if the rest of your team are young players on rookie deals.
(10-19-2020, 10:48 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Dipo is extremely low risk scenario. If he works out and wants to stay, great. If not, we have our cap space for 2021. Paying #18 and some role players is like he was given away.
I just fundamentally disagree with this.
1) He had a PER of 11.3 last year and only 17.6 before the injury.
2) He shot 39% and 31% (27.5% on catch and shoot) on threes and yet 42% of his shots were threes (!) last year. He shot only 42% before the injury.
3) He struggled to share the ball with Brogdon whose usage is NOTHING compared to Luka.
4) He had a devastating injury that is worse than an ACL and relies on elite athleticism to be successful.
5) He has had ONE great year in seven seasons.
Giving up assets of any kind (especially first round picks) is extremely risky to me for him. I think you actually have a better chance hitting in the draft on #18 than you do getting Dipo to be a good and healthy fit in DAL.
One man's opinion. We'll see what happens with his career.
(10-19-2020, 10:51 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]What are you basing this assertion on? Did I miss an article?
Report by Shams that I put in the "Around the NBA" section. Many teams fear the cap will drop $25-30M from the previously estimated $115M unless players and owners can agree to artificially bump it. The owners are going to want to hemorrhage as little as possible, so them agreeing to go above $109M seems impossible to me.
That is what I am basing my opinion on.
(10-19-2020, 11:15 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2020, 10:48 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Dipo is extremely low risk scenario. If he works out and wants to stay, great. If not, we have our cap space for 2021. Paying #18 and some role players is like he was given away.
I just fundamentally disagree with this.
1) He had a PER of 11.3 last year and only 17.6 before the injury.
2) He shot 39% and 31% (27.5% on catch and shoot) on threes and yet 42% of his shots were threes (!) last year. He shot only 42% before the injury.
3) He struggled to share the ball with Brogdon whose usage is NOTHING compared to Luka.
4) He had a devastating injury that is worse than an ACL and relies on elite athleticism to be successful.
5) He has had ONE great year in seven seasons.
Giving up assets of any kind (especially first round picks) is extremely risky to me for him. I think you actually have a better chance hitting in the draft on #18 than you do getting Dipo to be a good and healthy fit in DAL.
One man's opinion. We'll see what happens with his career.
I totally agree with your opinion of the player. I guess I'm just more resigned than you about how into the 2021 thing they are. Having said that, since THJ would probably have to be in that deal (for basketball reasons, not value reasons) then I suppose there are other, better ways of approaching the two-pronged plan I've been hyping.
(10-19-2020, 10:36 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1318206885347102720
Ok Cato, you're out of you're depth.
To be fair, he does repeatedly say his opinion makes no sense, and is borderline treasonous. But even still. His main justification of why he doesn't want Giannis on the Mavs is that they'd be boring...(in that it'd be too easy to win).
What a load of you-know-what. I'd argue that a tandem of Luka-KP-Giannis would produce the most exciting basketball we've seen in a long time. All 3 bring uniqueness to the table AND balance each other out. Luka with otherworldly vision and scoring. KP being a unicorn with his ability to stretch the floor to half court AND guard the rim. And Giannis being an all time defender and transition monster.
The Mavs wouldn't be boring. They'd be dominant.
(10-19-2020, 11:15 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He shot 39% and 31% (27.5% on catch and shoot) on threes and yet 42% of his shots were threes (!) last year.
Focusing on his 19 games this season post injury is like evaluating KP based on his performance in first 30 games or so this season. I guess you were devastated Mavs paid 2 first round picks, former #9 pick and took some bad money for him. Not to mention he really only had half of a good season before that. It is very easy to take a couple of bad numbers and focus all your argument on that.
Dipo is a proven two way player. Yeah, he is not a lights out shooter but he is far from bad. And he can create for himself. He is basically what we need next to Luka. Of course, I would prefer if he had Curry like shooting too, but hey, let's be a bit more realistic.
His career PER is 16,5 while THJ is 13,7. He is basically better than THJ in every statistical category, even before we start with the defensive part. Not to mention Dipo never had the opportunity to play next to a PG of Luka caliber. So don't say that difference between the two is not worth a mid round FRP. We should run away smiling if that would be all it would cost. Risks regarding his health status are easiest to manage, as Mavs will have the information needed we can only guess. So assuming he is healthy, this is basically lowest selling point you can get him for. But I guess you can wait for half a season for him to have a killing 40 games so you can be sure about his worth. Unfortunately, his price will be much different then.
I think for sure the Bucks can make 1 or 2 impact moves at a minimum. Way too early to count them out. A CP3 move would be really big for them honestly and they have other options as well.