(11-18-2020, 10:23 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2020, 10:18 AM)Drew Wrote: [ -> ]Dipo would be an expirer. We’d get one season to see if he could return to form or not.
Ok, but what if I told you that EVERYONE who covers that team or the NBA nationally have already DECIDED that he'll never "return to form"...do you really feel the need to pay for the privilege of "seeing that for yourself?"
What if I told you that 20 seconds after he got here, he'd start bitching about a contract extension? You know, because he's freaked out, because he KNOWS his time is almost up?
You can call Hayward injury prone, and my God, is that ever true. But, he RECOVERED from his major injury and it's behind him. And, when he's healthy, HE'S A GOOD PLAYER. I do not in any way consider Hayward to be as risky as Oladipo.
THJ might be a better player than Oladipo. True story.
Truth!
Except I'd change "might be" to "is right now" in the last sentence.
WCS is an idiot. No way he gets more than vet min
(11-18-2020, 10:57 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Heild for Horford and picks would be great. Take another team out of the mix. Harden to either Brooklyn or Boston
Yeah, for sure. Horford, when played at his natural position of center, is still a good player, imo. I'm not sure he's the best fit in the world with Bagley, but he's probably better there than he was with Embiid, who seems to want very badly to be a face up player.
(11-18-2020, 11:07 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]WCS is an idiot. No way he gets more than vet min
Seems like a knucklehead. We don't want knuckleheads on our team.
(11-18-2020, 10:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2020, 09:58 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is close to what I’d predict. I will leave out picks, though I suspect Indy will end up with at least one pick out of all this. I see
Dipo-Alize Johnson to Dallas
Maxi/Wright to Indy
You could add Turner plus some salary to Boston for Hayward and make it a 3 way or you could let them work that out themselves as a S&T in the new season. I’m not smart enough to figure out who gets what picks.
I might be crazy - and I have been very wrong about a couple of things, recently, but I would be shocked if the Mavs ended up with Oladipo. I have gone out of my way to read up on him (local Indiana beat writers and national ones I respect) and without exception, those who know about him say some version of:
- His injury was REALLY bad. Way worse than fans think. Like, worse than an Achilles injury, possibly, and DEFINITELY way worse than what's being rumored for Hayward
- He has been BAAAAAAD since coming back, and if he hadn't been "Oladipo" he would've lost his job by now. The consensus is that he's like the 4th best guard Indiana has now.
- There's lots of speculation that he's not a great person (though what the Indiana community thinks about this might not mirror what we'd think).
- The entire reason his name has been so in the news as a trade target is that he wants a new contract and Indiana does NOT want to give him one. I'm not saying he doesn't want to get out to a bigger market (he might) but even if they COULD sign him, they don't want to. Indiana wants him gone.
- Lots of skepticism that he'll ever again be a good player. LOTS.
This would be Wesley Mathews 2.0, only way WORSE, because A) he'd cost more and B) at least Mathews played as hard as he could at all times. Oladipo has not played hard consistently at all, recently.
If you can get him for something very small, like what you guys keep suggesting, and then treat him like an audition/rental, then that's not the end of the world, I don't guess, but I don't think that's what's being dangled out there to teams. If that DOES happen, I would view it as 100% a move to create CAP SPACE, not to bring in a good player.
Remember when Andrew Bynum's career was over, and fans of every team (including the Mavs) kept expecting their team to sign him so he could be their savior? This went on for like THREE YEARS. Sometimes, the "name brands" of these guys are so big people just can't process the idea that they're done.
I think Oladipo could be the single most underwhelming, disappointing move we could possibly see, especially for those who are NOT excited about being cap space players next off season.
Yeah, really think a lot of the Oladipo thirst is from the fact that not many people have a reference point for a quad tendon rupture and how serious it is because it's rare among athletes. It hardly ever happens in young athletes. In the few occasions it happens in the NBA it happens to old players at the end of their careers anyway (Barkley 1999, Tony Parker 2017) so it's not really associated as the career ender anymore than any other common lower leg injury would be for a player at the end of the line. Oladipo is a 6'4" combo guard who's entire game was built around explosion ... if he loses even a fraction of explosion, he loses what made him exceptional.
(11-18-2020, 11:07 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]WCS is an idiot. No way he gets more than vet min
But he'll get the vet minimum regardless. So why not test it?
If he was an idiot, he'd opt in ha.
With all these teams going crazy the more i think we need a different approach. Trade for Danny Green and Millsap MLE would be cheap and give us a fighting chance next year.
Green and a future first (OKC owns Miami 2021 1st) for 18, Wright and Jackson would be a good trade for us.
We could still get one of “our guys” at 31. Sign 31 with MLE money and use the rest on Millsap
Luka/Brunson
Hardaway/Curry
Green/DFS
Millsap/Powell
KP/Maxi
Boban, Hernangomez(vet min), Temple(vet min), Barea, 31
This is a good team. And with the future 1st we could still make a deal at the deadline and use any “disappointment contracts” as salary matching (i.e. Hardaway plus Miami 1st for rental of Otto Porter)
Dipo looked fine to me when he came back, certainly in terms of moving around and athleticism. His shot was off some and didn't look like he was in a rhythm in the bubble but that to me is just rust. I am not worried ab that at all and you have 1 year to see how he fits.
I am not sure what the Mavs would give up but I imagine it would be pretty reasonable given that Dipo's stock is low right now. I like the upside of such a move.
(11-18-2020, 10:32 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2020, 10:29 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2020, 10:23 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]There are lots of players in the NBA. Let's go ahead and find healthy ones.
Very, very valid.
And that's the knock on Hayward, I'll admit.
If you are scared of Hayward for health, you should be WAY more scared of Oladipo. He has healed, and his body doesn't work the same way, anymore. He's a different player now, and only Indiana fans seem to have noticed. The smart media people have noticed, but even local beat writer types from other teams seem to be talking about him like he is a name brand. That guy is gone.
When it comes to assets like #18, it's easy to overrate their value, BUT I submit that the Mavs NEED to make that value go as far as it possibly can. Whether they trade the pick, make the pick, trade up, trade down, whatever...my hope is that they make a move that actually makes them BETTER. I do not believe that Oladipo accomplishes that.
I liked Hayward til I read that nerve damage thing. I'm out. I wasn't convinced on Dipo anyway. So I'm out.
It's like we've all told budies in the past, and like we all should have told ourselves once upone a time at some point in our lives...there are more fish in the sea.
The problem with Hayward is fans has that "but the new injuries isn't related to old one" attitude which isn't accurate.
People need to realize that you can't isolate the health of one area of your body, muscle imbalances and biomechanics are for real.
A huge injury like the one Hayward had, might heel, but it might change the balance the body once had, you could get other injuries with the old one seems perfectly healthy, but it doesn't always mean bad luck, it could also mean : I don't have the balance anymore, and I will always get a new injury somewhere.
I hope he will be healthy and I am just a pessimistic sob, he is great player and great talent for sure and those players you always wish they are healthy so we can enjoy their talent.
I just don't want the Mavs to be the one taking this risk, for me I have a rule that you don't take risk on more than one injury prone player. We have that on KP, that is more than enough for me.
The Hayward thing to me is a little more risky depending on the length of the contract. I haven't seen a hard connection of Mavs and Hayward, only some media folks pondering. If Hayward was on a 1 yr deal I would like it but then I don't think Hayward wants that.
So risk/reward/cost still puts me in the Dipo direction.
(11-18-2020, 11:52 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Dipo looked fine to me when he came back, certainly in terms of moving around and athleticism. His shot was off some and didn't look like he was in a rhythm in the bubble but that to me is just rust. I am not worried ab that at all and you have 1 year to see how he fits.
I am not sure what the Mavs would give up but I imagine it would be pretty reasonable given that Dipo's stock is low right now. I like the upside of such a move.
If he looked fine after his return, Indiana would have a line of suitors a mile long in a league where Jrue Holliday gets an Anthony Davis return.
(11-18-2020, 11:59 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ] (11-18-2020, 11:52 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Dipo looked fine to me when he came back, certainly in terms of moving around and athleticism. His shot was off some and didn't look like he was in a rhythm in the bubble but that to me is just rust. I am not worried ab that at all and you have 1 year to see how he fits.
I am not sure what the Mavs would give up but I imagine it would be pretty reasonable given that Dipo's stock is low right now. I like the upside of such a move.
If he looked fine after his return, Indiana would have a line of suitors a mile long in a league where Jrue Holliday gets an Anthony Davis return.
You are nuts, that's not true at all. First of all, he was back on a very small sample size and looked rusty. I am sure teams would like to see more. Furthermore he is expiring, so why would you give up a bunch of assets for an expiring player if you don't know if he will resign? It's already clear that he only wants to play for a contender or big market team so that eliminates a lot of teams right off the bat.
The Lakers knew they would keep Davis bc he expressed wanting to be there. They were willing to give up everything bc time was of the essence with Lebron's clock ticking.
Jrue's value was depressed some bc of his player option and bc of the Pels refusal to trade him in the west. Even still he got a pretty good haul. He is also clearly a better player than Dipo.
(11-18-2020, 10:23 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]There are lots of players in the NBA. Let's go ahead and find healthy ones.
You and your crazy ideas.
We all want healthy players. The trick is finding healthy players who are also capable of being the 3rd best player on a Championship team who can be viably attained with the Mavs assets.
Let's find the closest thing to Michael Jordan in his prime that won't cost any meaningful assets!