(10-27-2020, 10:53 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I think their time frame is win or be close to it in the next 3 years before Embiid walks. It's been several years now. They are quickly running out of time IMO. Because than after that age starts to creep up on you. And while that's less important in basketball. I don't feel good about a rebuild in 3 years time with near 30 stars that depend on athleticism as the main part of their game.
Paul's the guy you grab if you a piece away and the 76ers just don't seem that close to being a real competitor. That doesn't mean they will not make the move.
Listening to a podcast right now that’s reporting that Dallas had a deal in place last season for Gallo. They’re speculating that the offer was probably Kleber+Wright with either #18 or #31. Apparently, Gallo wouldn’t agree to extend at the number they were offering so the Mavs backed out of the deal. This was right around the time Powell went down, so it seems like they did the WCS trade instead.
(10-27-2020, 11:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Listening to a podcast right now that’s reporting that Dallas had a deal in place last season for Gallo. They’re speculating that the offer was probably Kleber+Wright with either #18 or #31. Apparently, Gallo would agree to extend at the number they were offering so the Mavs backed out of the deal. This was right around the time Powell went down, so it seems like they did the WCS trade instead.
Wonder what the extension numbers were. I like Gallo but I'm not sure he is exactly what the team needs. Also, I don't think they could have traded #18.
(10-27-2020, 11:18 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 11:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Listening to a podcast right now that’s reporting that Dallas had a deal in place last season for Gallo. They’re speculating that the offer was probably Kleber+Wright with either #18 or #31. Apparently, Gallo would agree to extend at the number they were offering so the Mavs backed out of the deal. This was right around the time Powell went down, so it seems like they did the WCS trade instead.
Wonder what the extension numbers were. I like Gallo but I'm not sure he is exactly what the team needs. Also, I don't think they could have traded #18.
Good point about the pick.
(10-27-2020, 11:18 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 11:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Listening to a podcast right now that’s reporting that Dallas had a deal in place last season for Gallo. They’re speculating that the offer was probably Kleber+Wright with either #18 or #31. Apparently, Gallo would agree to extend at the number they were offering so the Mavs backed out of the deal. This was right around the time Powell went down, so it seems like they did the WCS trade instead.
Wonder what the extension numbers were. I like Gallo but I'm not sure he is exactly what the team needs. Also, I don't think they could have traded #18.
I would guess they tried to lowball him to maintain some flexibility. Hard to imagine going all-in on a guy who is such a poor fit defensively.
18 couldn't be traded, but knowing Presti he asked for a pick swap + 31.
(10-27-2020, 11:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]offer was probably Kleber+Wright with either #18 or #31
UGH. If that was the deal, the Mavs would have gotten SWINDLED. Glad that did not happen.
(10-27-2020, 11:32 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 11:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]offer was probably Kleber+Wright with either #18 or #31
UGH. If that was the deal, the Mavs would have gotten SWINDLED. Glad that did not happen.
NOW I’m listening to Kevin O’Conner and Verno talk about how Gallo had the largest on/off point differential in the NBA Last year among players who played at least 1,000 minutes for one team. They say he was +17 per 100 possessions.
Not sure why, but today seems to be Gallo day.
Gotta say, IF they were willing to pull the trigger for Kleber and Wright at the deadline, and IF he’s not getting the offers he expected when he turned down whatever extension they offered...
(10-27-2020, 09:28 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 08:52 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]In all honesty, I can see Harris re-uniting with Bobi as a personality fit to this team. He's pretty far overpaid, but what is the compensation for taking on such a large contract? I think it needs to be more than just Powell even though that is an awful looking contract right now, esp if we're giving them lots of needed 3pt scoring with Curry and Kleber (do they even want Powell AND Kleber from us with Horford still on their roster?).
The Wright for Richardson swap is a good addition to bridge that gap, or maybe a couple of their unnecessary picks from this draft that help us move even further up in the draft? Get a 3rd team involved?.
Simmons is the cost or else any person in their right mind wouldn't be touching Harris. He wasn't that bad before covid, but now it's really really bad. Sucks for 76ers to unload him if they want to be competitive. that or Horford.
Harris + Simmons
for
Hardaway, Wright, Powell, Curry (or Kleber if they prefer) comes up about 4 mill short of matching. Oh hey look how much Dodo makes lol. I believe the deal works financially with Kleber substituted in place of anyone but Powell.
Philly may get a better offer for Simmons but they'll have a hard time finding someone to eat Harris deal plus provide assets. We'd be sending them 18 and 31.
FWIW I think that deal makes a ton of sense for Philly
They run THJ at the 2 with Richardson at the 3. You fortify your bench and you have assets to go get a PG.
Shoot you could expand it to OKC and have them getting Paul and that makes WAY too much sense. Have Paul, THJ and Kleber going to Philly with everyone else going to OKC with picks. And then all those massive contracts are off your books for 2022 free agency for Philly.
Who says no to this 3 team OKC, Dallas, Philly Trade
Dallas receives: Harris, Simmons
Philly receives: Chris Paul, THJ, Kleber
OKC receives: Wright, Justin Jackson, Powell, Pick 18, 31 also pick 22 if needed from Philly
I think this all works financially.
OKC gets even more picks and continues rebuild with an expiring rookie deal, a movable contact in Wright and Powell who they probably get some value out of with a young team.
Dallas has a starting lineup of:
Doncic, Curry, Harris, Simmons, KP
Philly has a starting lineup of
Paul, THJ, Richardson, Kleber, Embiid
That's beyond ugly in fit.
You would have to controll KPs and Currys minutes and nobody else left and no way to get someone.
It's like eating all their sins and giving up everything we worked hard for just for the already skewed potential of Simmons.
First rule: don't trade with Aige.
Second rule: See first rule.
Third rule: do not interfere with Phillys tanking culture again.
We just escaped last time when Noel got to greedy.
If we want to go all in on a 40Mio+/year contract why not just take CP3.
(10-27-2020, 11:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Gallo had the largest on/off point differential in the NBA Last year among players who played at least 1,000 minutes for one team.
So not sure what you are hearing....but Gallo was THIRD on his own TEAM in on/off.
They must be talking offensive on/off, because he was an incredible +16.6....BUT he was a vomit inducing -9.1 on defense.
You could also argue a lot of that offensive impact was on the coattails of Chris Paul who was +15.2.
(10-27-2020, 11:42 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]cjeter24
That's beyond ugly in fit.
You would have to controll KPs and Currys minutes and nobody else left and no way to get someone.
It's like eating all their sins and giving up everything we worked hard for just for the already skewed potential of Simmons.
First rule: don't trade with Aige.
Second rule: See first rule.
Third rule: do not interfere with Phillys tanking culture again.
We just escaped last time when Noel got to greedy.
If we want to go all in on a 40Mio+/year contract why not just take CP3.
I don't think it'd be that bad of a bit. You keep Brunson and DFS on the bench. You resign Burke. Ideally WCS is back and he's your backup big.
You basically are missing a backup 4 and depth past your top 7 or 8 guys. Nothing that stop gap signings couldn't fix.
The bet is more of for Harris working better in your system more than anything.
I'm honestly just throwing out ideas ha. not my preferred. I tend to lean Mavs probably say no to Philly deals than Philly saying no.
If you got to go with a big money 4 why not go get Blake Griffin at that point. Less risk and he's a better player than Simmons except on defense. I kind of think that's what you'd be hoping he turns into for you here but with better defense and less shooting.
(10-27-2020, 11:50 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 11:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Gallo had the largest on/off point differential in the NBA Last year among players who played at least 1,000 minutes for one team.
So not sure what you are hearing....but Gallo was THIRD on his own TEAM in on/off.
They must be talking offensive on/off, because he was an incredible +16.6....BUT he was a vomit inducing -9.1 on defense.
You could also argue a lot of that offensive impact was on the coattails of Chris Paul who was +15.2.
If only we had a great point guard the same caliber of Chris Paul lol.
I think the idea of Gallo would be that he's an ideal offensive fit at the 4. And you figure out how to make the defense work.
I'm all in on Gallo if you could get him on a 1 year deal. How that happens? *insert shrug emoji
I'd think it would be dumping Wright and Jackson to teams for nothing which seems impossible in this environment.
(10-28-2020, 12:00 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 11:42 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]cjeter24
That's beyond ugly in fit.
You would have to controll KPs and Currys minutes and nobody else left and no way to get someone.
It's like eating all their sins and giving up everything we worked hard for just for the already skewed potential of Simmons.
First rule: don't trade with Aige.
Second rule: See first rule.
Third rule: do not interfere with Phillys tanking culture again.
We just escaped last time when Noel got to greedy.
If we want to go all in on a 40Mio+/year contract why not just take CP3.
I don't think it'd be that bad of a bit. You keep Brunson and DFS on the bench. You resign Burke. Ideally WCS is back and he's your backup big.
You basically are missing a backup 4 and depth past your top 7 or 8 guys. Nothing that stop gap signings couldn't fix.
The bet is more of for Harris working better in your system more than anything.
I'm honestly just throwing out ideas ha. not my preferred. I tend to lean Mavs probably say no to Philly deals than Philly saying no.
If you got to go with a big money 4 why not go get Blake Griffin at that point. Less risk and he's a better player than Simmons except on defense. I kind of think that's what you'd be hoping he turns into for you here but with better defense and less shooting.
(10-27-2020, 11:50 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2020, 11:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Gallo had the largest on/off point differential in the NBA Last year among players who played at least 1,000 minutes for one team.
So not sure what you are hearing....but Gallo was THIRD on his own TEAM in on/off.
They must be talking offensive on/off, because he was an incredible +16.6....BUT he was a vomit inducing -9.1 on defense.
You could also argue a lot of that offensive impact was on the coattails of Chris Paul who was +15.2.
If only we had a great point guard the same caliber of Chris Paul lol.
I think the idea of Gallo would be that he's an ideal offensive fit at the 4. And you figure out how to make the defense work.
I'm all in on Gallo if you could get him on a 1 year deal. How that happens? *insert shrug emoji
I'd think it would be dumping Wright and Jackson to teams for nothing which seems impossible in this environment.
Maybe I am overreacting
.
But the Harris-Contract is so BAD I'm shocked every time I look at the numbers. Just do it again and cringe. It's like googling Fournier.
You think CP3 has some money left?
And I'm not sure Simmons is worth his contract as long he refuses to shot. I can see him getting the Wright-treatment week one.
Only player I would mildly consider of Philly would be Horford, in a three team trade if we get assets from someone else.
Philly out: Simmons, Horford.
Philly in: Markannen, Lavine, Lee.
Bulls out: Lavine, Markannen, White #4
Bulls in: Simmons, Wright, JJax #18, #31.
Mavs out: Wright, Lee, JJax, #18, #31
Mavs in: White, Horford, #4
Unfortunatly the Bulls won in the lottery and that's unbalancing the value here. Maybe without White and we have to get value with a tradedown. Anything left on the Knicks we like?
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That Hawks guy has these rumors:
He is hearing the same thing others are about Gordon Hayward. He is looking to opt-out. He is looking to resign or find an SnT deal to Dallas. This one is Boston's to lose. He seems to want to resign but with more years and a less competitive market than 2021.
Dallas has been extremely active and really wants to be a player in the SnT market. The issue is, they don't have much value to offer anyone. They are trying to make it clear, they need to be a player for Giannis. I just don't hear the interest from Giannis side. It's either MIL, GS, LAL, MIA, or TOR. The talk that it's Dallas is just not there. That said, they want to be a player for Kawhi in 2021 as well.
I am pretty hesitant of trading role players with valuable contracts like DFS/Curry and/or Kleber. Not convinced we are getting equal value back or winning those trades. Personally don't see the need of a rental for Dipo/Gobert (2021 free agents) or a S &T for Hayward. Unless you can get those for next to nothing, which is doubtful.
Losing 2 of 3 from DFS/Curry (45 % from 3 on 5 attempts) and Kleber for a player with tons of question marks is still a very risky bet. Aigne probably laughs his ass of if he can get package of DFS and Curry for Hayward, who is more or less a failed experiment for them
With Dipo you would have at least a year to see, if he can get back to his old level. With Hayward you basically sign him to a "big" multi year deal with an uncertain future. Uff, i am not doing that with the stuff i saw from him over the last 2 years.
(10-28-2020, 02:29 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]That Hawks guy has these rumors:
He is hearing the same thing others are about Gordon Hayward. He is looking to opt-out. He is looking to resign or find an SnT deal to Dallas. This one is Boston's to lose. He seems to want to resign but with more years and a less competitive market than 2021.
Dallas has been extremely active and really wants to be a player in the SnT market. The issue is, they don't have much value to offer anyone. They are trying to make it clear, they need to be a player for Giannis. I just don't hear the interest from Giannis side. It's either MIL, GS, LAL, MIA, or TOR. The talk that it's Dallas is just not there. That said, they want to be a player for Kawhi in 2021 as well.
I hate to keep bringing this up, but Maxi would solve a lot of their big man issues.
I don't think Hayward is in Boston once Tatum's pay raise kicks in in 21. They will have $104mm tied up in Walker, Smart, Brown and Tatum. So, it would be in Boston and Hayward's best interest to do something now. Maxi plus THJ doesn't work in 20/21, but it does in 19/20 if both Hayward and Hardaway opt in. Does such a deal get you a pick swap of 18 for 14?
Hayward really isn't good enough to justify trading much of anything for him.
(10-28-2020, 05:18 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2020, 02:29 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]That Hawks guy has these rumors:
He is hearing the same thing others are about Gordon Hayward. He is looking to opt-out. He is looking to resign or find an SnT deal to Dallas. This one is Boston's to lose. He seems to want to resign but with more years and a less competitive market than 2021.
Dallas has been extremely active and really wants to be a player in the SnT market. The issue is, they don't have much value to offer anyone. They are trying to make it clear, they need to be a player for Giannis. I just don't hear the interest from Giannis side. It's either MIL, GS, LAL, MIA, or TOR. The talk that it's Dallas is just not there. That said, they want to be a player for Kawhi in 2021 as well.
I hate to keep bringing this up, but Maxi would solve a lot of their big man issues.
I don't think Hayward is in Boston once Tatum's pay raise kicks in in 21. They will have $104mm tied up in Walker, Smart, Brown and Tatum. So, it would be in Boston and Hayward's best interest to do something now. Maxi plus THJ doesn't work in 20/21, but it does in 19/20 if both Hayward and Hardaway opt in. Does such a deal get you a pick swap of 18 for 14?
It's fair to bring it up, but this trade just helps Boston, not us.
We have to add a starter level player not lose one.
And most important this trade is still against trade rule number 1.
(10-28-2020, 05:26 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2020, 05:18 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2020, 02:29 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]That Hawks guy has these rumors:
He is hearing the same thing others are about Gordon Hayward. He is looking to opt-out. He is looking to resign or find an SnT deal to Dallas. This one is Boston's to lose. He seems to want to resign but with more years and a less competitive market than 2021.
Dallas has been extremely active and really wants to be a player in the SnT market. The issue is, they don't have much value to offer anyone. They are trying to make it clear, they need to be a player for Giannis. I just don't hear the interest from Giannis side. It's either MIL, GS, LAL, MIA, or TOR. The talk that it's Dallas is just not there. That said, they want to be a player for Kawhi in 2021 as well.
I hate to keep bringing this up, but Maxi would solve a lot of their big man issues.
I don't think Hayward is in Boston once Tatum's pay raise kicks in in 21. They will have $104mm tied up in Walker, Smart, Brown and Tatum. So, it would be in Boston and Hayward's best interest to do something now. Maxi plus THJ doesn't work in 20/21, but it does in 19/20 if both Hayward and Hardaway opt in. Does such a deal get you a pick swap of 18 for 14?
It's fair to bring it up, but this trade just helps Boston, not us.
We have to add a starter level player not lose one.
And most important this trade is still against trade rule number 1.
We didn’t lose a starter level player, we lost 2 good bench players and added a starter level one.
(10-28-2020, 06:21 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2020, 05:26 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2020, 05:18 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2020, 02:29 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]That Hawks guy has these rumors:
He is hearing the same thing others are about Gordon Hayward. He is looking to opt-out. He is looking to resign or find an SnT deal to Dallas. This one is Boston's to lose. He seems to want to resign but with more years and a less competitive market than 2021.
Dallas has been extremely active and really wants to be a player in the SnT market. The issue is, they don't have much value to offer anyone. They are trying to make it clear, they need to be a player for Giannis. I just don't hear the interest from Giannis side. It's either MIL, GS, LAL, MIA, or TOR. The talk that it's Dallas is just not there. That said, they want to be a player for Kawhi in 2021 as well.
I hate to keep bringing this up, but Maxi would solve a lot of their big man issues.
I don't think Hayward is in Boston once Tatum's pay raise kicks in in 21. They will have $104mm tied up in Walker, Smart, Brown and Tatum. So, it would be in Boston and Hayward's best interest to do something now. Maxi plus THJ doesn't work in 20/21, but it does in 19/20 if both Hayward and Hardaway opt in. Does such a deal get you a pick swap of 18 for 14?
It's fair to bring it up, but this trade just helps Boston, not us.
We have to add a starter level player not lose one.
And most important this trade is still against trade rule number 1.
We didn’t lose a starter level player, we lost 2 good bench players and added a starter level one.
Last time I looked THJ and Maxi started in a playoff series and Hayward was in a suit as always.
Don't get me wrong, if our Docs aprove him, i'd like to add him.
But add, not swap him for THJ and lose Maxi an the way.
(10-28-2020, 05:18 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi plus THJ doesn't work in 20/21, but it does in 19/20 if both Hayward and Hardaway opt in. Does such a deal get you a pick swap of 18 for 14?
I'm totally IN on this.
Hayward is definitely an upgrade on THJ defensively and in offense creation and what you could get at #14 (SBey? Achiuwa? Patrick Williams?) could be an upgrade to Maxi in the long run.