(09-14-2020, 09:59 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Not a fan of it myself but I think we haven´t mentioned it so far. What about taking on some longterm salary in exchange for assets (draft picks, young players). It would give the Mavs more options to add talent in the future if they don´t like the current options. Adding a contract like Horfords or CP3s (just for example) would give the Mavs a big expiring contract that they could use in trades in 2022 or 2023. Added draft picks could be a trade asset as well but potential first round picks (maybe even lottery) could also be a cheap way to add talent.
Sixers aren't going to attach picks to dumping Horford. That would make them worse now and in the future. CP3's market value is great at the moment, if anything OKC is going to be getting a pick or two this offseason when they trade him. The Bucks are for sure the most desperate and will likely send a pick + Bledsoe and filler for CP3.
Speaking of Bledsoe he is still a good player. OKC could just keep him and continue this trend where they still manage a good roster while they are rebuilding. I didn't get why ppl thought they wouldn't be good last year despite having a very talented roster.
If you could get Bledsoe flaws and all for Wright and Jackson in a pure salary dump deal would you do that? I know people are down on him but in this scenario you are getting a talent upgrade for free basically. He would likely be the starting guard next to Luka. You would be bowing out of a max slot in 2021 unless you moved him then which might not be impossible. He only has 4 mil guaranteed in 2022. I also would bet that a combination of Rick and Luka would solve Bledsoe's offensive problems. Bledsoe would not have to be the primary ball-handler and I bet his 3% goes up here.
(09-13-2020, 11:04 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Did I miss a Schroder rumor somewhere in the last 3 pages or are we just having a conversation?
It makes great sense for OKC to trade him before he becomes UFA in a year. He certainly meets the criteria of "a better version of Burke" on the court, though 19/20 was a career year in many ways.
A couple thoughts...
1. No idea if he has truly grown up off the court or not. Certainly a concern.
2. Do you really give up 18 for an expiring deal? How about a swap of 18 for 25? How about 31? My squeamishness may be a sign of a reasonable deal. But, it feels rich for a possible rental.
3. I would think they'd want Brunson if they are shipping out Paul and Schroder. Wright plus Brunson is a legal trade. Add appropriate draft compensation from there.
4. OKC has two large TPE's. One for $9mm and one for $10mm plus two smaller ones. There are ways to get creative here. Maybe we are part of the salary that comes back to OKC as part of a Paul deal. Maybe it is Jackson after doing Wright/Brunson into TPE's (that would create a $5mm TPE for us. Maybe we use Lee to manufacture a large expiring deal of about $10mm (still using Wright/Brunson into TPE's) to help get a large deal across the finish line? We would create a sizable TPE and OKC could get an expiring contract instead of someone they may not want.
5. Schroder is GREAT at corner 3's and C&S 3's. He's really bad at Pull Up 3's. His percentages would go up a ton if he took fewer of the latter, but you lose much of what he brings to the table if you just stand him in the corner. What Burke did was a pretty good model if Schroder can be convinced of the strategy.
BTW, Hollinger voted for Schroder for Sixth Man. Here is what he wrote at the time:
"Oklahoma City’s Dennis Schröder had a career year, playing some of the best offense of his career and by far the best defense. His emergence enabled the Thunder to close games with a fearsome three-guard lineup, one that also helped them hide glaring weaknesses on the wing. By my methodology, he was the only bench player to generate more than $20 million in value this season. In a crowded field, his two-way contribution gives him the upper hand. Additionally, one can argue Schröder’s season mattered – it was a huge factor in the Thunder’s surprising playoff push this year.
I’ve put Schröder first on my ballot and Wood second."
Is it possible to have our picks in the same trade as a Courtney lee sign and trade?
(09-14-2020, 02:08 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Is it possible to have our picks in the same trade as a Courtney lee sign and trade?
A couple ways to do that, but snt can’t happen during the draft and the ways I don’t think have ever been done before. Possible, yes, likely, no. If the team likes the picks you made, you can snt after the moratorium and give the other team the rights to the players. Otherwise you can handshake deal at draft time that that team gets to pick the players for you and then make the trade when Lee can be signed.
Edit: But there’s always a first time to do something! Pioneers!
(09-14-2020, 12:55 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020, 09:59 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Not a fan of it myself but I think we haven´t mentioned it so far. What about taking on some longterm salary in exchange for assets (draft picks, young players). It would give the Mavs more options to add talent in the future if they don´t like the current options. Adding a contract like Horfords or CP3s (just for example) would give the Mavs a big expiring contract that they could use in trades in 2022 or 2023. Added draft picks could be a trade asset as well but potential first round picks (maybe even lottery) could also be a cheap way to add talent.
Sixers aren't going to attach picks to dumping Horford. That would make them worse now and in the future. CP3's market value is great at the moment, if anything OKC is going to be getting a pick or two this offseason when they trade him. The Bucks are for sure the most desperate and will likely send a pick + Bledsoe and filler for CP3.
Speaking of Bledsoe he is still a good player. OKC could just keep him and continue this trend where they still manage a good roster while they are rebuilding. I didn't get why ppl thought they wouldn't be good last year despite having a very talented roster.
If you could get Bledsoe flaws and all for Wright and Jackson in a pure salary dump deal would you do that? I know people are down on him but in this scenario you are getting a talent upgrade for free basically. He would likely be the starting guard next to Luka. You would be bowing out of a max slot in 2021 unless you moved him then which might not be impossible. He only has 4 mil guaranteed in 2022. I also would bet that a combination of Rick and Luka would solve Bledsoe's offensive problems. Bledsoe would not have to be the primary ball-handler and I bet his 3% goes up here.
I have a feeling there will be some trash swaps.
Houston gets: Horford and Terry Rozier
Philly gets: Nick Batum
Charlotte gets: Westbrook
Something like this could benefit all 3 teams but I’m doubtful Houston will be a tax payer. Something like this would be their best hope though
(09-14-2020, 12:55 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of Bledsoe he is still a good player. OKC could just keep him and continue this trend where they still manage a good roster while they are rebuilding. I didn't get why ppl thought they wouldn't be good last year despite having a very talented roster.
If you could get Bledsoe flaws and all for Wright and Jackson in a pure salary dump deal would you do that? I know people are down on him but in this scenario you are getting a talent upgrade for free basically. He would likely be the starting guard next to Luka. You would be bowing out of a max slot in 2021 unless you moved him then which might not be impossible. He only has 4 mil guaranteed in 2022. I also would bet that a combination of Rick and Luka would solve Bledsoe's offensive problems. Bledsoe would not have to be the primary ball-handler and I bet his 3% goes up here.
I think I'd do it. Bledsoe is a bulldog. And we have no use of Wright.
I'm team "never use capspace as long as Luka is here" tough.
(09-14-2020, 02:41 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs expected to pursue Campazzo.
The article doesn't say that, that is your interpretation. The article is guessing who might be interested in Campazzo, basically nothing new from when the first time this news broke out a couple of months ago. Minnesota, Dallas and San Antonio are mentioned
(09-14-2020, 03:34 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-14-2020, 02:41 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs expected to pursue Campazzo.
The article doesn't say that, that is your interpretation. The article is guessing who might be interested in Campazzo, basically nothing new from when the first time this news broke out a couple of months ago. Minnesota, Dallas and San Antonio are mentioned
Su destino más probable serían los Wolves, donde su compatriota Pablo Prigioni es entrenador asistente. Allí sólo tienen a D'Angelo Russell como base con contrato para la próxima temporada. También suenan los Mavericks, donde podría relevar a JJ Barea para llevar el timón junto a Doncic.
"His most probable destination is the Wolves where his fellow country man, Pablo Prigioni, is an assistant coach. The Wolves don't have many guards outside of D'Angelo Russell as well.
Also the Mavs are players, where they could try to replace JJ Barea and play alongside Doncic. "
It is just a rumor, where a guy who is connected to Campazzo is laying out his options (he also mentioned the Spurs). But this isn't the first time where Campazzo has been linked to the Mavs. And Campazzo is a proven winner. 2x Euroleague champion, 4x Supercup champion. EuroCup Defensive player of the year (2017). SuperCup MVP. 2x All-Spanish League first team(2019,2020) and 2x All-Spanish League 2nd team (2017,2018). There is a real argument that Campazzo is better than all the other players mentioned to fill the guard role off the bench. That includes Schroeder, White, Bledsoe and the rest.
Not to mention he has ties with Luka. Which is a big plus. The one downside is the contract he'd likely command. He has a big buyout with Real. Around 7m, and the Mavs could only pay 800K of that. So he'd definitely look for at least a starting salary of 7m+ for multiple years.
(09-14-2020, 04:40 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]It is just a rumor, where a guy who is connected to Campazzo is laying out his options (he also mentioned the Spurs). But this isn't the first time where Campazzo has been linked to the Mavs. And Campazzo is a proven winner. 2x Euroleague champion, 4x Supercup champion. EuroCup Defensive player of the year (2017). SuperCup MVP. 2x All-Spanish League first team(2019,2020) and 2x All-Spanish League 2nd team (2017,2018). There is a real argument that Campazzo is better than all the other players mentioned to fill the guard role off the bench. That includes Schroeder, White, Bledsoe and the rest.
All of these doesn't change that we don't know if Mavs are actually pursuing Campazzo. You are jumping to conclusions by stating it as a fact.
(09-14-2020, 04:40 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]There is a real argument that Campazzo is better than all the other players mentioned to fill the guard role off the bench.
I think we have our back up guards from the bench - Brunson and Seth. I honestly don't care who they bring in for Barea role and limited minutes he played. And it should certainly be a vet min player, not half or even full MLE that some were fantasizing about.
Other guys mentioned make sense if they are in the starting five. And I think they are all better than Campazzo. I just don't see him as an NBA starter due to many limitations I already mentioned. Based on all this, I would be surprised Mavs signed Campazzo for anything above vet min. Of course I may be wrong and Campazzo proves himself as a starter
I don't think there will be a "Barea" role but there could be another guard in the mix come next season. Rick loves guards and wouldn't be opposed to having THJ be your "wing" in the right scenario (ie bringing in a good 2-way guard).
Barea's role doesn't need to get replaced any more than any other player who didn't get consistent minutes. There are only so many roles to go around. After you solidify your top 10 guys the rest are situational/backups.
My prediction on Paul is he goes to NYK. His agent is now in charge there and needs some credibility heading into 2021. Paul gives them that. NYK can easily absorb Paul using a combination of cap room and expiring contracts. Portis $15mm/NG, Gibson $9.4mm/$1mm, Payton $8mm/$1mm, Ellington $8mm/$1mm and Bullock $4.2mm/$1mm all have contracts that are either Non-Guaranteed (NG) or partially guaranteed at only $1.0mm. NY can wipe out all of that non-guaranteed salary and use mainly cap room in the deal. Or, if OKC wants one or more of those guys on an expiring deal, they can be included.
I can see NYK using 27 and 38 to do the swap with Detroit for Kennard that we've discussed here (Kennard is a CAA guy). They desparately need shooting. I would be interested in swapping Jackson for Ntilikina. Frank was in the 85th percentile on corner 3's last season. He only shot .321% because he's bad Above the Break and on Pull Up 3's. Here he'd spend more time in the corner. He's a good perimeter defender and can initiate some as a ball handler. Depending on the deal for Paul, someone is going to have too many PG's. I'd much rather take a one year flyer on Frank than watch another year of Jackson.
Remember that early season game we lost to NYK? Frank was 14/6/4 with 4 steals, 3 blocks and hit 4 of 5 threes in 37 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysOHeXlODmw
(09-15-2020, 07:01 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]My prediction on Paul is he goes to NYK
I would feel sorry for him, but it is possible.
(09-15-2020, 07:01 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I would be interested in swapping Jackson for Ntilikina.
I like Ntilikina, but I don't really see the point. What would be his role? We are not in a position to give starter jobs to reclamation projects. On the bench we already have Brunson and Curry as back up guards. Ntilikina being 3rd PG doesn't make sense for him, because he needs minutes. Would you play him on the wing from the bench to give him minutes? I wouldn't really trust Brunson-Curry-Ntilikina combination and I don't see either Brunson or Curry as good enough to be starters on a contender. I guess it is same as Wright. He was brought to be a starter, didn't work and he was just bad fit for the bench with Curry and Brunson.
If I would go for a guard, I would go for a starter. Otherwise I am looking for wing or PF types.
(09-15-2020, 07:01 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I would be interested in swapping Jackson for Ntilikina. Frank was in the 85th percentile on corner 3's last season. He only shot .321% because he's bad Above the Break and on Pull Up 3's. Here he'd spend more time in the corner. He's a good perimeter defender and can initiate some as a ball handler.
WOULD BE AMAZING!!
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(09-15-2020, 08:06 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I like Ntilikina, but I don't really see the point. What would be his role?
He would absolutely be a wing in DAL with his PG skills as just a nice supplement if needed. He would be 3&D wing. And fill a huge need.
(09-15-2020, 08:49 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He would absolutely be a wing in DAL with his PG skills as just a nice supplement if needed. He would be 3&D wing. And fill a huge need.
He would be like plan Q on my list, but I wouldn't be against it. It would also require trading Wright, though, otherwise you have absolute logjam in the guard/light wing department. Jackson had to play PF because of that. You know it is funny, because I liked trading for him much better last offseason, when we were more in a team building mode. Most of the forum was against it. Now I see us in a contender building mode and move for a reclamation guy like Franky Smokes seems so marginal.
(09-15-2020, 09:30 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-15-2020, 08:49 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He would absolutely be a wing in DAL with his PG skills as just a nice supplement if needed. He would be 3&D wing. And fill a huge need.
He would be like plan Q on my list, but I wouldn't be against it. It would also require trading Wright, though, otherwise you have absolute logjam in the guard/light wing department. Jackson had to play PF because of that. You know it is funny, because I liked trading for him much better last offseason, when we were more in a team building mode. Most of the forum was against it. Now I see us in a contender building mode and move for a reclamation guy like Franky Smokes seems so marginal.
Assuming the Knicks new FO doesn´t have other plans for him, he´ll be a ® FA. He could be a great target, if we have to spread the wealth around. Obviously depends a little on the draft and FA this year, but a DFS contract (12/3) likely gets the job done next summer. He got the defense and his 3pt shooting was at 32.1% last season on a bad team.
Isaac Bonga´s defensive numbers on the Washington Sieverds are even more outrageous and he shot 50/35/82 on obviously very limited attempts. I wonder whether the Wizards will match a solid offer like 15/3. You´d have to think so, but they have to pay Thomas Bryant on top of Wall/Beal, so maybe there is a chance.
(09-15-2020, 07:01 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]My prediction on Paul is he goes to NYK. His agent is now in charge there and needs some credibility heading into 2021. Paul gives them that. NYK can easily absorb Paul using a combination of cap room and expiring contracts. Portis $15mm/NG, Gibson $9.4mm/$1mm, Payton $8mm/$1mm, Ellington $8mm/$1mm and Bullock $4.2mm/$1mm all have contracts that are either Non-Guaranteed (NG) or partially guaranteed at only $1.0mm. NY can wipe out all of that non-guaranteed salary and use mainly cap room in the deal. Or, if OKC wants one or more of those guys on an expiring deal, they can be included.
Can't rule out anything with the Knicks but still seems random like they can't decide whether or not they are rebuilding. Bucks need CP3 more than the Knicks do and I think will be the frontrunner.
(09-15-2020, 12:56 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (09-15-2020, 07:01 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]My prediction on Paul is he goes to NYK. His agent is now in charge there and needs some credibility heading into 2021. Paul gives them that. NYK can easily absorb Paul using a combination of cap room and expiring contracts. Portis $15mm/NG, Gibson $9.4mm/$1mm, Payton $8mm/$1mm, Ellington $8mm/$1mm and Bullock $4.2mm/$1mm all have contracts that are either Non-Guaranteed (NG) or partially guaranteed at only $1.0mm. NY can wipe out all of that non-guaranteed salary and use mainly cap room in the deal. Or, if OKC wants one or more of those guys on an expiring deal, they can be included.
Can't rule out anything with the Knicks but still seems random like they can't decide whether or not they are rebuilding. Bucks need CP3 more than the Knicks do and I think will be the frontrunner.
I agree that CP3 helps the Bucks way more than he helps the Knicks, but isn't Paul to NY the most "Knicks" move you can envision right now? It just seems inevitable. I would hate to be a fan of that..."team."
I don't really understand the Knicks "plan." I could see CP3 as the most Knicks thing ever but they need more talent than RJ Barrett, Julius Randle and CP3. They have the 8th pick in a weak draft and I guess could create some cap space? They really are a train wreck.
(09-15-2020, 01:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that CP3 helps the Bucks way more than he helps the Knicks, but isn't Paul to NY the most "Knicks" move you can envision right now? It just seems inevitable. I would hate to be a fan of that..."team."
If they can get CP3 for a couple of reclamation youngsters like DSJ and Smokes or a mediocre pick, who cares. What they hope he can bring is a culture change. A relentless fighter with exceptional basketball IQ, perfect mentor for young guys. Just look what he did in OKC. He has absolute authority and the young guys would listen or he would break one in half and eat him while still alive in the first practice as an example to others. Of course he would have to believe he can make a change in NY and be 100 % behind the move.
If it succeeds, NY could lose their bad destination stigma and actually become attractive to free agents in a season or two. Especially if they can score on a good pick in 2021 and if youngsters start showing improvements. Saviour of New York is still a title glory hunters find appealing, if they believe it is actually possible.
Of course in reality, Dolan will do a couple of stupid things that will lead to CP3 faking an injury in the middle of the season at latest and sitting out the rest of the games, sulking at home.
It would make this board go insane but any change Mavs do a 3-way with Lakers for Danny Green? I haven't watched him recently but I know he has had an up-and-down playoffs.
Mavs would send Wright, Jackson + #31 to a team with cap space that would absorb those players and the pick. Lakers would just get Green off the books, yielding them a large TE they could use.
Mavs would get Green and get off of Wright's money. Doesn't seem impossible to me that this scenario plays out. Alternatively the Mavs do some other pick swap like this year's #18 for a lotto-protected future first for the same deal.
Mavs would still have MLE and could spend some dollars in 2021 if they wanted to do for example like a 3 year deal for a cheaper player (Justin Holiday, RHJ, DJJ, etc.).