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(11-06-2020, 02:32 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2020, 12:11 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I´m still leaning heavily toward taking a free youth swing this season and prepare for 2021. It just seems the smartest strategy.

Im somewhat agree, but having 7 rookies is extreme to take in and share minutes. But yes, I agree that it should be invested in various players with diferrent skillsets, improving and peaking, while staying cheap on the contracts. Next year will hold better opportunities on players, especially if the upcoming season, the Mavs go far in the playoffs that free agents/tradeable players are more than willing to come here.

The older players would still be here next season. I was just looking at it from a 2021/2022 roster perspective. Though you would have to clear some roster space. No re-signing of Lee or JJB for example.

You might as well try to consolidate the roster with a 3 on 1 trade:

Powell + Wright + Jackson + #30 + future pick for Batum.

That way you clean the Giannis space right away.

Doncic / Brunson / Ramsey
THJ / Curry / Bane
DFS / Batum / Woodward
Saric / Bey / Boban
Porzingis / WCS / Azubuike

This still means the veteran core next year goes nine deep + Boban, but the older of the five rookies will likely force their way onto the court.

Loaded schedule, no G-League and let´s not forget that 2021 is supposed to be this great draft class, so lots of games against teams that will play tanktastic basketball anyway. With no crowds in the stands, these teams have even less incentive to play hard.

https://theathletic.com/2183087/2020/11/...r-giannis/

[b]"Trades: [/b]Charania’s report anticipates the league’s restriction on trades being lifted on Nov. 16, which provides a limited window for any teams trying to move a contract prior to its guarantee date. This, admittedly, is a small subset of overall contracts. The more important distinction here is that it will allow teams to make some trades ahead of the draft.

However, the way to do a trade on Nov. 17 isn’t by picking up the phone on Nov. 16. Teams will spend the next two weeks laying the groundwork for any deals they want executed prior to the draft."

Just want Donnie to know this in case he reads this board.

Can we all stop for a second and thank Kam and Cluth for their awesomeness? They make this place a one-stop-shop during any heavy Mav's news cycle! And they've been doing it for years! You guys are awesome!

Kam and Clutch, you guys are literally the best

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(11-06-2020, 05:58 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://theathletic.com/2183087/2020/11/...r-giannis/

[b]"Trades: [/b]Charania’s report anticipates the league’s restriction on trades being lifted on Nov. 16, which provides a limited window for any teams trying to move a contract prior to its guarantee date. This, admittedly, is a small subset of overall contracts. The more important distinction here is that it will allow teams to make some trades ahead of the draft.

However, the way to do a trade on Nov. 17 isn’t by picking up the phone on Nov. 16. Teams will spend the next two weeks laying the groundwork for any deals they want executed prior to the draft."

Just want Donnie to know this in case he reads this board.

Wait, wait... does this with "guarantee dates" refer only to players with only partially guaranteed years that can be waived, thus saving the team the non-guaranteed amount? Or is it in a broader sense, of allowing teams to trade players before their TOs or POs are exercised? Does it mean that THJ can be traded pre-draft? If so, good. The only bad part to that is that it means that the Mavs could trade away WCS when imho they ought to keep him as a good cheap big.

(11-06-2020, 04:07 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]This still means the veteran core next year goes nine deep + Boban, but the older of the five rookies will likely force their way onto the court.

In most sports like Baseball, Soccer and Hockey you usually put drafted players into the minor league, farm team they have until they're devolved enough to get into the rotation. With NBA, its either your good get into the lineup, or your bad get to C-Team. Barea was my favorite undrafted, develop player because of his journey. From unlikely player with his height, to score-at-will 2011 playoffs. He kept the Mavs from having to trade for another scorer/playmaker. I'm hoping the Mavs draft to develop enough and which player would push one of the veteran players. 

That being your weakest link.

(11-06-2020, 07:36 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/mich...radar.html

More from the Hawks dude, for those interested:




Part 1

The CBA was holding things back but that has been resolved to a large degree. They are working on small things to try to up the financials. Here are how things are now:

Giannis

MIL have listened to offers for Giannis but has turned everything down thus far and clearly are focused on trying to win a title and will try to convince him to do a 1+1 deal at the least. They have turned their focus to Chris Paul which they stated they were out on but he’s the only star player they can land considering their refusal to trade a 2022 and beyond 1st. Atlanta did make an offer for Giannis which was extremely good and it was declined. FYI. They do want to resign him to the supermax but realize that might be extremely difficult to do.

MIL still thinks they can land Bogdan from SAC. They are really trying their hardest to land a PG who can win now with. It has been a major challenge for them. A lot of teams with the pieces they desire are not willing to make a deal with them with hopes of getting a steal later from them or just targeting Giannis. That said, this was expected but there are still deals out there for them, it is just going to be hard. They are willing to go into the LT. That is the positive. They are in for Holiday, but Bledsoe isn’t in demand. They had a lot of interest in Lonzo Ball but NO sees him as part of their future.

Jrue Holiday

Brooklyn, Philly, Milwaukee, Denver, LAC, Dallas, and Miami have been all over a Jrue Holiday trade. I am hearing Brooklyn is leading but Miami can land him if they are willing to trade Tyler Herro who has been off limit. New Orleans still has not been offered exactly what they want so this deal could falter. Atlanta was in talks for Holiday but decided against a move for a rental. He said the team to watch for is Indiana because they really want Brogdon but as you can imagine, so does Indiana. NO will likely lower their demands and make it more realistic for contenders if they truly want to move him which I am not sure they do.

Oladipo

For the most part, his trade value is much lower than his team value to Indy and it is negatively impacting his trade market. There is one team with a keen interest in him, but Indy wants a lot more value for him then what they are willing to trade at the time. This one could happen on draft night or thanksgiving night if that team can give Indy what they want for Oladipo which is a lot.

Gordon Hayward

Atlanta and Hayward’s agent have been talking preliminary on Gordon. So far, no offer has been made or can be made but there is a presumption that there is major interest on both sides. Gordon would love to resign in Boston if the price is right which I have been told is miles apart. He seems like Atlanta’s prized signing for 2020-21. The cost of this signing will be high. He is hearing he is seeking an Al Horford deal and I honestly don’t think that’s bad value if the team he’s going to wants to use him correctly which is exactly how Boston uses him when he’s healthy.

Paul George

LAC/MIN demand is too great for any team to meet so it is unlikely he will be moved. LAC has other plans. They are big on CP3 and some other targets like DeMar DeRozan in a SnT. The Clippers are all in on resigning their guys. But they want to add more depth. Rondo is their big MLE target. The one player they are leaning to trading is Lou Williams and targeting a big man. They have interest in a Christian Wood SnT as well as Al Horford, but Al might be too rich for them. Their lack of draft capital and lack of bad contracts put them in a tough spot. They just want a PG who can run an offense for the most part. LAC has shown interest in Kyle Lowry, but Toronto been tough on moving him to anyone who has called.

Chris Paul

He will be traded to a team of his choice and MIL is not allowed to kill the other team in the deal. He wants to go to a contender; location does not matter. Milwaukee is also leading to get him but CP3 is picky about how the team is after the trade. CP3 salary makes trades hard for all these teams, especially MIL.
No one knows where Chris is going. It is that simple. His contract is ass. He has control as Presti can’t rob you for him, but the issue is, his contract means Presti will by no choice rob you for him. LAC is really the only team that can afford him and OKC is not taking back garbage contracts in return. Even for LAC, CP3 is NOT their 1st option as he eliminates a lot of options for them for depth, but it is an option. CP3 has made it clear, he wants to play for a contender to Presti. MIL is the team where he wants to go. LAC might be the only team that can afford him. With Brooklyn lurking and a faster season, teams are putting a premium on depth this year.

DeRozan

All signs point to him leaving and going to a contender. LAC has shown interest in him and likewise. LAL is surprisingly not interested. People have mentioned Detroit, but a team people should mention is Orlando who has shown interest to DeRozan in the past and could be looking into an Evan Fournier/Aminu SnT. There is a chance he could opt in but I was told, don’t count on it unless the interest just nullifies.

Eric Gordon

While Gordon is seen with high esteem by the Rockets, he is a player that is available for major change. I do not know who that player could be, but it would be amazing to see what the new regime can do to improve the roster. Shockingly, another name mentioned was P.J. Tucker whose value to their team is tremendous.  Four names he heard connected with HOU is Holmes/Barnes/picks from SAC and Thybulle/Horford from PHI.
RoCo is nearly untouchable. Westbrook is seen as a franchise piece and they think Harden is the best player in the NBA aka, idgaf about your offer. There seems to be some real traction with PHI/HOU recently but this could all be a call to pull Harden to PHI but there seems to be interest on both sides.

MKG did nothing for me from is time with the Mavs.

More from that ATL thread: apparently Utah is beating down the Hawks’ door for #6.

Another update from Hawks dude

Quote:Dallas wants a 3rd star. In fact, have even called OKC for CP3 who has no interest in Dallas. Dallas due to limited resources have really been everywhere trying to make a deal. They are hoping to land Danilo in FA and they would like Dragic who I am being told is a near lock to return to MIA. The player they think they have a shot at is Evan Fournier, but it could cost them THJ for a SnT if he opts out. Dallas wants to use their MLE on a key rotation player, Christian Wood has come up as the main target in FA.

Here’s all of part 2. There are some notes about other teams that might provide context about the draft:



[b]Part 2[/b]

Bradley Beal

He is not available. At all. The end. Teams are hoping he, but he isn’t. Washington is really trying to win this year. They are willing to spend and spend big. The priority is to resign Bertans the biggest goal is to space the floor Beal and Wall. A player who has been mentioned as a cheap target is Boogie Cousins. They really believe they have a chance to make the playoffs and be a good team in the East. Depth is their big, continued focus. People within the organization feel this is the best John Wall they have ever had. They believe he is still on an all-NBA level. People close to Beal says he feels the same way and they are extremely hopeful on Rui.

Indy

Indy has been in talks with Atlanta and a 3rd team. This is a massive deal that has been in talks now for months, I even think I mentioned it on here before. Basically, the Atlanta part of the deal is done but the 3rd team is still far away from where they need to be for Indy. The only players I can say are in this deal is Oladipo to the 3rd team and Dedmon to one of the teams. This would be a major deal for all team involved. Indy is NOT rebuilding; they are simply retooling. They want to be a contender in the east like we want to be. They will be tight on offseason spending. Justin Holiday might be on the way out due to salary. Justin is getting a lot of interest from contenders for a mid MLE level player.

Brooklyn

Brooklyn is looking to move their pick and key players for a 3rd or 4th star considering how you see Caris. They have targeted a few players but really want one in Jrue Holiday. It is going to be tough to land him as others are also in the mix. The issue they have is Dinwiddle is expiring and his value to others is far less than his value to Brooklyn. A lot of teams have interest in Allen, but no one sees him as a centerpiece in the type of deal Brooklyn is looking to do.

Like Dallas, they are more open to a deal than people are open to doing a deal with. I do think they are a mid-season team that could make some major noise for a trade. Caris is NOT available for trades currently. All signs point to Caris being available for a bigger deal that is not on the table right now like Bradley Beal.

Dallas

Dallas wants a 3rd star. In fact, have even called OKC for CP3 who has no interest in Dallas. Dallas due to limited resources have really been everywhere trying to make a deal. They are hoping to land Danilo in FA and they would like Dragic who I am being told is a near lock to return to MIA. The player they think they have a shot at is Evan Fournier, but it could cost them THJ for a SnT if he opts out. Dallas wants to use their MLE on a key rotation player, Christian Wood has come up as the main target in FA.

Lakers

Like Dallas, LA wants a 3rd star. They might be in better shape to land one than Dallas. They are planning to resign KCP, AD, Rondo, and are looking at possibly signing TT who can defend all types of bigs as well. He is also getting attention from the Clippers. It seems like both are targeting the same players. The Lakers are another team I think could be a mid-season player for trades. They do not seem likely to sign a major player. A CP3 trade is too hard to do for them. They were high on Oladipo but Indy value is too high for what they can give.

Raptors

Extremely active and there is NO ONE on their roster they aren’t willing to trade at this time including Lowry if the price is right but note, the price is not right for Lowry, they want a key player for him so he’s not truly available atm. They are targeting resigning FVV in FA and have changed their plans this off-season several times. He confirmed that Brogdon’s base is the salary they would like to resign FVV at. They are fully engaged in operation Giannis 2021.

As I have said before, everyone is available from Toronto. Including Lowry but he is still expensive cost wise and trade wise. They would ideally like to keep Lowry but FVV is who they want to resign. A name no one is mentioning for them and someone they like is Danilo Gallinari who is considered by my guy to be a Denver lock if an offer ever came. Toronto has a very established Italian scene. They seemed to lose some interest in Harrell who was a lock. They are still interested in resigning Ibaka. No real feedback when it comes to Gasol.   

OKC

Outside of CP3, they have Adams and Schröder on the market if the price is right. As of right now, teams have not met it, but we will see if OKC is willing to take less which they have not showed so far. They are looking like big losers as they are going to get raided this off-season. It is best for them to trade guys this summer or risk killing their trade value when it drops but the trade value is not as high as they would like.

Boston

Boston is in an extremely tough position and have been extremely aggressive trying to get a center via trade or the draft. Have made offers for WCJ from CHI and Bamba from ORL. They are trying to move up to get a bigger asset to land a center or land Okongwu. What they are realizing is the meat of where everyone wants to be is in the 8 of the draft even if it is not 1-3 range. They are trying to move up but no one wants to move that far down.

They realized that Hayward is likely gone and are fine with that but ideally would love to trade him which will not happen. They are all in on targeting a center right now. There are hopes that they can resign Aron Baynes but there is a lot of comp for him. Boston is open to resigning Heyward but for 4/60-65 range. Not what he is seeking. Marc Gasol name has come up, but you will be competing with Europe for him as well which could be costly.

Boston is probably the most screwed team by COVID. The projected 2021 FA numbers were going to be 125 million and if Boston tells him to opt out this year and do a 4/70-4/75, they are living well as the cap could go all of the way up to 135-140 in 2024 but it’s likely going to be around 112-115 for the next three years. Ouch. That puts them in a major bind, and it is not their fault. Just the COVID world we live in. That said, they are being smart and at the end of the day, they have Tatum, Brown, Smart, Walker, and Theis. Walker ultimately must hold up. They cannot afford for him to go Heatles D. Wade or it kills their chances of being a true contender.

Atlanta

This team controls the off-season board along with the Knicks as they are looking at everything. The difference is, Atlanta has players, teams like what could be had. It is fair to say, Atlanta will keep #6. It is fair to say, they could trade down. It is fair to say, they could trade up. They have a lot of options and I do not know where they will go at this time with that pick. Atlanta has gotten offered by damn near everyone and offered some players to damn near everyone.

What is clear is Capela, Trae, De’Andre, and Cam are not going to be traded at all this year. What is also clear is it will take a lot to get them to move Kevin or JC. Because of Atlanta’s cap situation, they are very flexible.

Atlanta wants to resign JT0 and Skal to multi-year low-waged deals but JT0 wants a higher wage which will not happen from Atlanta. He basically wants to play for a winner and depending on what Atlanta does this off-season, he might be on the way out.

I already mention there are players and key people within the org that wants to move up in the draft and some who wants to move back or stay at #6. I do not know which way they will go but expect it to happen on draft night. I did get confirmation that Atlanta will be a player in buying a pick in the 2nd round but do not lock it in.

Their biggest targets this off-season is:

G. Hayward

KCP who is expected to resign with LAL

Derrick Jones Jr. who is expected to have competition considering his wage demands.

Of course, resigning Skal and Jeff.

There obviously can be more but these were the ones I’ve heard we are serious about.

The Indy deal I mentioned earlier has a PG in it coming to Atlanta as well and that might remove the need for Jeff, but that deal is FAR from finalized due to the 3rd team.

Everything I am hearing is they want to improve the depth from 7-13 without question. Bruno has been impressing people in TC and maybe he could fight for the backup 5 spot with Dedmon.

[b]Travis is not in win-now mode[/b], but he is looking into how to make his team a consistent championship contender is his goal. LP and Tony are in win now mode. LP does realize his job is on the line and that we have high expectations for 2020-21. This will not impact how Travis GM’s. He is not going to make hasty decisions is what he was told but he will make decisions that everyone will not always agree with. He knows the team as well as anyone. Also, my guy did not get an idea that Atlanta is in the 2021 camp for a key FA. That makes me think they can cash in this year if the right deals are available.

Houston

Houston goal is simple. They want to land a center for cheap without it costing RoCo who he has gotten word is critical to them. They are targeting Myles Turner but was told HOU does not have enough to land him. They like Vucevic from ORL but he was told Tucker/Gordon would not be enough.

They are really trying to bring a center who can stretch the floor. Baynes is a guy they like but so does Boston and some others. Boogie Cousins has been mentioned as a guy that Houston is interested in but so is LA who could lose both Dwight and McGee[b]. KCP has been[/b] mentioned as an MLE target. Houston wants to win a title, and honestly, they could have a better shot than people give them credit for considering they are willing to spend. They want to resign Jeff Green, and a couple of others.

While HOU is not interested in trading James, he has heard from others that Houston will consider trading Harden if they get two young under long contract stars. Meaning, if they land Embiid and Simmons, they will consider trading Harden although they are not interested in trading Harden period. Another trade like that would be Booker and Ayton for Harden. Houston already turned something like this down to a degree already many months ago but in a 3-way deal. Based on what he has gotten directly from HOU, HOU is James Harden, we are not trading him unless he wants out.

Contrary to popular belief, HOU is willing to pay the LT for 2020-21. A few teams are whose franchise player could be in limbo. These players are worth more than half of the franchise value to the team. They need them.

(11-06-2020, 09:49 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]MKG did nothing for me from is time with the Mavs.

When he was on the floor he was clearly the best defender. I actually liked what I saw. Not so much in the Clippers series because a player without any offense will simply be schemed out of the game but in the regular season bubble games he had some big moments.
He obviously isn´t a priority but looking at the available vet min wings he is actually one of the better options. At this point I would easily pick him over JJB or Lee.

(11-06-2020, 10:52 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2020, 09:49 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]MKG did nothing for me from is time with the Mavs.

When he was on the floor he was clearly the best defender. I actually liked what I saw. Not so much in the Clippers series because a player without any offense will simply be schemed out of the game but in the regular season bubble games he had some big moments.
He obviously isn´t a priority but looking at the available vet min wings he is actually one of the better options. At this point I would easily pick him over JJB or Lee.

I actually liked what I saw from Lee at times. Just saying. 

Regarding MKG, I found myself wondering if he was a good enough screener to do the Powell thing. Would be one way to keep him on the floor a little, but I’m guessing they don’t think so.

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Two things: 

1) I sure hope Dallas isn’t that third team trying to get Oladipo, and

2) I sure hope they do better than Fournier.  I would legit rather have THJ, I think.

(11-06-2020, 10:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I actually liked what I saw from Lee at times. Just saying. 

Regarding MKG, I found myself wondering if he was a good enough screener to do the Powell thing. Would be one way to keep him on the floor a little, but I’m guessing they don’t think so.

Lee wasn´t bad. He actually was on the rise prior to his injury. Because of injuries Curry was in and out of the lineup and Lee played more than 20 min per game in march. 49/44/86 shooting splits and at least not any worse on defense than THJ or Curry. Great attitude and also important for the locker room.
Only reason why I would pick MKG over him is positional need and upside. MKG is one offensive skill away from being a high impact role player. Be it shooting or rim running. He can defend multiple positions and was clearly the best option against big wings like Kawhi or PG. Not to mention that he is only 26 years old.

Apparently, the Mavs lack of assets is hurting them. They had a chance to sign somebody last offseason but blew them. They badly need to retool this season and not wait for next season. Once CP3 is traded to MIL, Giannis will stay. Fournier would be a lateral move, would prefer THJ. Wood is young and developing. He could be a real steal. Keep on accummulating assets like that from free agency and the draft and develop them like what Miami and Denver are doing. This draft is the perfect time to stack pile on rotation players rather than signing low ceiing guys who will just ride the bench for us.