(11-23-2020, 09:20 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Drew Wrote: [ -> ]Guys still getting worked up over the 15th roster spot.
Whoever they don’t have instead of JJB was not going to be more impactful. It’s really not a huge deal. That’s guy isn't playing anyways(honestly 13-15 shouldn’t be). If the Mavs think having JJB at the back of the bench is better for the team, the locker room, and Luka then it’s fine. I’m not going to get mad about that roster spot.
That´s one way to look at it and I somewhat agree. The other is about maximizing the chance to add more talent. It´s not very likely but sometimes two-way guys turn into really good players.
Let´s say the Heat cut Duncan Robinson to give DWade one more contract. Would look pretty bad right now.
Ya I respond to this is 2 ways: 1. We are guys who post every day on a Mavs forum so yes we will get worked up over the 15th roster spot. 2. You don't know who the 15th guy is. You can guess, but sometimes the guy you think is in the rotation winds up at the very end of the bench or visa versa. DFS might have been thought of as a 15th guy his first year and quickly got to actually start games.
At any rate I don't mind them bringing 16 guys to camp. I think there are several guys who could be candidates to get cut or moved. JJB would be the favorite to get released but I could also see Brunson get traded or Iwundu cut or Boban get traded. I don't think Boban will get moved seeing as how thin Mavs were at center late in the season and going into the bubble but you never know. We will have KP out for probably a month and Powell might return as a shell of himself. If that happens you will want WCS and Boban available.
Early prediction for 2021 offseason would be Mavs miss out on FA names again (Jrue, Giannis) and go for continuity again. I expect J Rich and THJ to have good years. THJ's number probably comes down a bit but will still be starter money. J Rich I think will have a career year next to Luka (certainly we hope he does!). I think THJ is a guy teams are out on overpaying bc they know he benefits greatly from the system. I don't expect him to get ridiculous offers. J Rich is a wildcard, we will see.
If you keep those two guys you probably still have some cap space for another piece? I think THJ is 12-15 and J Rich is like 15-18 unless he goes nuts so maybe 30-ish total. Mavs I believe have almost 50 mil to spend? That could get you one more starter-level player or a couple MLE level guys.
(11-23-2020, 05:30 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]After watching this,
https://youtu.be/E0vqvcZeXi0
...I don't want the ancient mummified relics of JJB to keep Hinton out of a two-way contract.
Cut Green for JJB? Bold, but nope.
Cut Terry for JJB? Nope.
Cut Wes for JJB? Nope.
Cut Tiger for JJB? Tbqh, the least atrocious of these options. But nope.
JJB, take your seat on the bench next to RC and the assistants and let the kids play.
Holy moly. If I would have seen this video pre-draft without knowing the different prospects, my eyes would have told me that this guy is a lottery pick. So much heart - incredible. Lets hope he makes it to the team during the season.
So seeing where Gasol and Baynes are headed now it makes sense why the Mavs didn't get these guys. They will be getting a lot more minutes where they are headed.
The one that hurts is Jae Crowder, 3 for 30. I suspect Mavs chose plan powder over Crowder. Burke is on a nice team-friendly contract and could prove to be very valuable if we see bubble Burke back. I think Mavs chose to split their aces with Burke and a big (WCS but could have been Gasol) rather than go for Crowder. I also think the Suns probably could promise him more minutes than the Mavs who have other options at PF than just Crowder should he have come here. I do think they would have given him starter minutes for the most part but maybe he was more confident that he would have the starting spot all year in Phoenix. At any rate that was a really good value contract that could have been moved easily next year if need-be. I do wonder if Mavs were offering him a multi-year deal or not. We would have lost out on Burke so maybe the issue there is that our veteran guard situation would have been a bit thin.
(11-23-2020, 09:47 AM)wisco Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 05:30 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]After watching this,
https://youtu.be/E0vqvcZeXi0
...I don't want the ancient mummified relics of JJB to keep Hinton out of a two-way contract.
Cut Green for JJB? Bold, but nope.
Cut Terry for JJB? Nope.
Cut Wes for JJB? Nope.
Cut Tiger for JJB? Tbqh, the least atrocious of these options. But nope.
JJB, take your seat on the bench next to RC and the assistants and let the kids play.
Holy moly. If I would have seen this video pre-draft without knowing the different prospects, my eyes would have told me that this guy is a lottery pick. So much heart - incredible. Lets hope he makes it to the team during the season.
Hinton is already on a 2-way.
(11-23-2020, 10:05 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]So seeing where Gasol and Baynes are headed now it makes sense why the Mavs didn't get these guys. They will be getting a lot more minutes where they are headed.
The one that hurts is Jae Crowder, 3 for 30. I suspect Mavs chose plan powder over Crowder. Burke is on a nice team-friendly contract and could prove to be very valuable if we see bubble Burke back. I think Mavs chose to split their aces with Burke and a big (WCS but could have been Gasol) rather than go for Crowder. I also think the Suns probably could promise him more minutes than the Mavs who have other options at PF than just Crowder should he have come here. I do think they would have given him starter minutes for the most part but maybe he was more confident that he would have the starting spot all year in Phoenix. At any rate that was a really good value contract that could have been moved easily next year if need-be. I do wonder if Mavs were offering him a multi-year deal or not. We would have lost out on Burke so maybe the issue there is that our veteran guard situation would have been a bit thin.
(11-23-2020, 09:47 AM)wisco Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 05:30 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]After watching this,
https://youtu.be/E0vqvcZeXi0
...I don't want the ancient mummified relics of JJB to keep Hinton out of a two-way contract.
Cut Green for JJB? Bold, but nope.
Cut Terry for JJB? Nope.
Cut Wes for JJB? Nope.
Cut Tiger for JJB? Tbqh, the least atrocious of these options. But nope.
JJB, take your seat on the bench next to RC and the assistants and let the kids play.
Holy moly. If I would have seen this video pre-draft without knowing the different prospects, my eyes would have told me that this guy is a lottery pick. So much heart - incredible. Lets hope he makes it to the team during the season.
Hinton is already on a 2-way.
Ok let me rephrase - I hope he earns himself a "real" contract. Just looked at his stats - he can do it all: has an NBA body, can defend, is a hustle guy, steals the ball and hits the 3 38% of the time. Why didnt he get selected earlier?
(11-23-2020, 10:31 AM)wisco Wrote: [ -> ]Ok let me rephrase - I hope he earns himself a "real" contract. Just looked at his stats - he can do it all: has an NBA body, can defend, is a hustle guy, steals the ball and hits the 3 38% of the time. Why didnt he get selected earlier?
This is what The Athletic has on him in their draft info
I’m not sure anyone in this 2020 NBA Draft cycle plays harder than Hinton. Just straight up. He constantly works on the court. He chases the ball, chases his man on defense, chases on the glass. He’s just awesome from an effort perspective, and there is some genuine toughness there. He plays through contact, and plays with force. He also is a pretty solid shooter, having hit 39 percent from 3 this past year. Houston put him in a 3-and-D role surrounded by guards, and asked him to defend up and down the lineup, depending on matchups, and he did it all with ease. The issues here are two-fold. First, he’s not really a movement shooter. Most of his possessions came out of standstill spot-ups last year. Second, his athleticism is a real concern. He doesn’t have any burst or lift. Basically, he’s just getting by through outworking everyone, and with good basketball IQ for the way the ball will come off of the rim for rebounds. Simply put, he just might not be quite talented enough to play in the NBA unless he can really lock down that shooting consistency at a high level. But I absolutely want a guy like this to be around my team because he’ll push everyone around him, and I’d happily give him a two-way deal without thinking twice. Would happily take a bet on the shooting coming through, knowing that if it does he can be a 3-and-D rotation player.
(11-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Drew Wrote: [ -> ]Guys still getting worked up over the 15th roster spot.
nothing wrong with getting worked up over the fifteenth man
(11-23-2020, 09:20 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Drew Wrote: [ -> ]Guys still getting worked up over the 15th roster spot.
Whoever they don’t have instead of JJB was not going to be more impactful. It’s really not a huge deal. That’s guy isn't playing anyways(honestly 13-15 shouldn’t be). If the Mavs think having JJB at the back of the bench is better for the team, the locker room, and Luka then it’s fine. I’m not going to get mad about that roster spot.
That´s one way to look at it and I somewhat agree. The other is about maximizing the chance to add more talent. It´s not very likely but sometimes two-way guys turn into really good players.
Let´s say the Heat cut Duncan Robinson to give DWade one more contract. Would look pretty bad right now.
But Miami has also had Udonis Haslem taking up a roster spot for decades because they value the importance of vets establishing a winning lockerroom culture that allow projects like Duncan Robinson to develop and thrive .
(11-23-2020, 12:10 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]But Miami has also had Udonis Haslem taking up a roster spot for decades because they value the importance of vets establishing a winning lockerroom culture that allow players like Duncan Robinson to develop and thrive .
I guess the only "problem" we have is that Dallas fills the bench with prospects - they already signed them on guaranteed contracts. We checked them out, like the potential, we are full of hope what they can develop into. Romance has started. Then it seems one of them will have to be cut, because they decided to keep Barea. Hearts are broken
This is nothing against Barea.
(11-23-2020, 12:10 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 09:20 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Drew Wrote: [ -> ]Guys still getting worked up over the 15th roster spot.
Whoever they don’t have instead of JJB was not going to be more impactful. It’s really not a huge deal. That’s guy isn't playing anyways(honestly 13-15 shouldn’t be). If the Mavs think having JJB at the back of the bench is better for the team, the locker room, and Luka then it’s fine. I’m not going to get mad about that roster spot.
That´s one way to look at it and I somewhat agree. The other is about maximizing the chance to add more talent. It´s not very likely but sometimes two-way guys turn into really good players.
Let´s say the Heat cut Duncan Robinson to give DWade one more contract. Would look pretty bad right now.
But Miami has also had Udonis Haslem taking up a roster spot for decades because they value the importance of vets establishing a winning lockerroom culture that allow projects like Duncan Robinson to develop and thrive .
They actually resigned him again. In the end it is about the right balance. Veteran leadership is important and I think in the best case scenario it is provided by a guy that has been a part of the team for years. In my opinion making the decision after a first look at all the new guys is the reasonable approach.
(11-23-2020, 12:10 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 09:20 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Drew Wrote: [ -> ]Guys still getting worked up over the 15th roster spot.
Whoever they don’t have instead of JJB was not going to be more impactful. It’s really not a huge deal. That’s guy isn't playing anyways(honestly 13-15 shouldn’t be). If the Mavs think having JJB at the back of the bench is better for the team, the locker room, and Luka then it’s fine. I’m not going to get mad about that roster spot.
That´s one way to look at it and I somewhat agree. The other is about maximizing the chance to add more talent. It´s not very likely but sometimes two-way guys turn into really good players.
Let´s say the Heat cut Duncan Robinson to give DWade one more contract. Would look pretty bad right now.
But Miami has also had Udonis Haslem taking up a roster spot for decades because they value the importance of vets establishing a winning lockerroom culture that allow projects like Duncan Robinson to develop and thrive .
We’re pretty much a copycat of the heat. No complaints here. Just having JJ in camp is valuable
(11-23-2020, 02:14 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 01:36 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Saw dlord talking about Buddy on twitter.
I can't help but wonder if the Kings decide to go ahead and match it and hang onto to both with the idea they move buddy by the start of next season? Shoot you can match and keep both and move one in the offseason.
Well, the word going into the off season is that they absolutely had to move one (if not both) to have enough money to extend Fox. I don't expect them to match, myself, given how there doesn't seem to be a market for Hield. They also just drafted Haliburton, and need space for him to play.
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/133...55877?s=20
Yeah that was what Dlord was commenting on.
I think the idea that their is no market for him is being misinterpreted. But it's more of that there isn't a market for him that interests Sacramento. I would think Dallas would have some interest in him for Powell and THJ for example. but why does Sacramento do that?
They probably want a young player + draft pick. And that's a difficult sell for most teams.
(11-23-2020, 12:23 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Just having JJ in camp is valuable
Wonder if that is it for JJB? Just training camp and then step aside?
That would be MY preference because I don't want any of the guys we have to be put aside for him.
(11-23-2020, 12:33 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 12:23 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Just having JJ in camp is valuable
Wonder if that is it for JJB? Just training camp and then step aside?
That would be MY preference because I don't want any of the guys we have to be put aside for him.
I am not going to worry ab JJB until we know who the Mavs are going to cut. If JJB is kept we can worry ab it then. We are only a month or so away from the season starting so we will know sooner or later.
Some Cato (The Athletic)comments:
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Dallas also came close to acquiring Robert Covington, with ESPN’s Zach Lowe saying the team finished as runners-up. I’m told one deal requested by Houston was Seth Curry and the Nos. 18 and 31 picks for Covington, an offer Dallas declined. The two sides couldn’t come closer, so Houston ultimately acquired two first-rounders from Portland in a Covington deal instead.
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But even if the Mavericks ultimately waive Barea, they aren’t leaving him empty-handed. By bringing him into camp and guaranteeing his contract, they’ll pay him another $2.6 million this year even if he isn’t on the final roster. Dallas has consistently done right by its franchise legends, which Barea undoubtedly has become. This would be another such instance.
(11-23-2020, 12:38 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Seth Curry and the Nos. 18 and 31 picks for Covington
WAY too rich. Good for Donnie for saying NO.
That is the equivalent of:
JRich, #36, #31, #18 all for RoCo. Would you do that?
I wouldn't and I LOVE RoCo.
I am going to boldly predict that one of James Johnson, Josh Green, Bey or Iwundu are going to turn into a fan favorite this year. I am betting that will be James Johnson. I think he could surprise us like Aminu did a few years ago. Josh Green could emerge just like DFS and Crowder did their first year. Maxi also impressed his first year. In Rick's offense I think the SF/PF spots are not that complicated. You need to play defense, hustle and hit 3 pointers for the most part.
James Johnson is my pick bc he has already had success in this league. Just a couple of years ago Miami thought he was worth 43 million dollars. He played well for Minnesota down the stretch and he has been a 20 mpg guy for his career. I can picture him being one of the bigs off the bench this year making hustle plays like Aminu did when he was here. Especially with KP out to start the season I could see Maxi getting starter minutes. That would leave a spot open for a stretch big off the bench which to me would be James Johnson.
Maxi started the entire playoffs and was for sure the 5 when KP was out. Mavs went small with Burke at SG and DFS at PF.
Rick would of course have J Rich in the starting lineup, not Burke but that lineup could otherwise be the same:
Doncic, THJ, J Rich, DFS, Maxi.
Your guards off the bench will probably be Brunson + Burke. Bigs could be Johnson and Powell or WCS or Boban. I don't know that we will see a lot of Boban, WCS and Powell paying together. Backup SF is a big question but likely Green will get some of those minutes.
At any rate I think Johnson could be a guy that has success off the bench this year.
(11-23-2020, 12:41 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2020, 12:38 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Seth Curry and the Nos. 18 and 31 picks for Covington
WAY too rich. Good for Donnie for saying NO.
That is the equivalent of:
JRich, #36, #31, #18 all for RoCo. Would you do that?
I wouldn't and I LOVE RoCo.
No way I would have done Curry and all that for RoCo. J Rich is a much better trade. If it was Wright + picks I would have been all over that.
Saric+Crowder each for 27/3 is some great business for the Suns.
Bad decision by Saric imho. I´d have taken the QO of $5.0M and bet on myself next summer.
(11-23-2020, 12:25 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I would think Dallas would have some interest in him for Powell and THJ for example. but why does Sacramento do that?
Yeah, that's a great point.
Personally, I work that type of thinking into the "no market" statement, and think it's obvious. But, some people probably read that and think "nobody in the NBA wants Hield" which is definitely not true.
If you want my honest opinion (could be wrong) I think that Sacramento would likely do a THJ/Hield trade straight up, as it gives them a shooting option for the season and gets the financial savings they desperately need sooner. And, if Dallas were in a different situation overall, like if they were contenders with the roster in place, only they were hoping for an even better shooter or they were somehow worried about THJ leaving for nothing, then I'd do it, for sure.