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(10-20-2020, 05:44 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I would be IN on that Kennard trade. 

24 years old (fits the timeline), can play some PG when needed but great off the ball (43% catch and shoot threes for his career). He is also not terrible on D, being a neutral or slight positive for team D. My only question is what does his payday look like when his rookie scale ends after 2021?

I would, too, but I don't think Detroit would do the deal, as it significantly increases their payroll (short term). I'm not talking about their cap situation, I'm talking about their actual bottom line. I feel like they are one of the cheap teams (could be wrong).

(10-20-2020, 06:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 05:44 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I would be IN on that Kennard trade.

24 years old (fits the timeline), can play some PG when needed but great off the ball (43% catch and shoot threes for his career). He is also not terrible on D, being a neutral or slight positive for team D. My only question is what does his payday look like when his rookie scale ends after 2021?

I would, too, but I don't think Detroit would do the deal, as it significantly increases their payroll (short term). I'm not talking about their cap situation, I'm talking about their actual bottom line. I feel like they are one of the cheap teams (could be wrong).

The only reasoning I could see for them to do the deal is if 1) they are one of those teams who think they can make something out of Wright, and 2) they think Luke is leaving in '21 if they don't trade him, and see 18 as well as Wright as having value. I think we all know that Jackson has *no* value.

Luka and Luke. Hmmmm.....

(10-20-2020, 06:25 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 06:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 05:44 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I would be IN on that Kennard trade.

24 years old (fits the timeline), can play some PG when needed but great off the ball (43% catch and shoot threes for his career). He is also not terrible on D, being a neutral or slight positive for team D. My only question is what does his payday look like when his rookie scale ends after 2021?

I would, too, but I don't think Detroit would do the deal, as it significantly increases their payroll (short term). I'm not talking about their cap situation, I'm talking about their actual bottom line. I feel like they are one of the cheap teams (could be wrong).

The only reasoning I could see for them to do the deal is if 1) they are one of those teams who think they can make something out of Wright, and 2) they think Luke is leaving in '21 if they don't trade him, and see 18 as well as Wright as having value. I think we all know that Jackson has *no* value.

Luka and Luke. Hmmmm.....

I like the deal if it gets the ball rolling on moving one or both of Curry and THJ for good offense, better defense player(s).

(10-20-2020, 06:22 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I don't agree that you HAVE to have a star playing initiator though. Jrue is NOT a star and I think even you have said he is the perfect fit. This is changing your point made in the previous post from STAR to INITIATOR. I can agree with the initiator, can't agree with the star.

This will be like the 10th time I've typed this:

When people (especially people who work for teams) use the term "star" what they mean (whether they realize it or not - most fans don't, I guess) is "difference maker who can affect change in the game with the ball in their hands." THAT is what this team needs. I'd argue they need more than one additional player like that. This is 100% why the Mavs wanted Kemba Walker, so I'm cautiously optimistic that they understand their situation, even if fans don't. 

Jrue Holiday is a great example, because he IS such a player (though on the low end of that spectrum), it's just that he's not the type to cultivate his "star" profile. In other words, the perception of him around the league isn't anywhere close to the perception of him by fans via the media.

Holiday = that guy, but casual fans don't realize it.
Oladipo = fans THINK he's that guy due to his reputation, but those in the league don't seem to agree. Not right now, at least. 

I try to be very careful not to use the word "star" or the phrase "3rd star" to avoid miscommunications like this. I don't care how POPULAR the Mavs' players are, but for the love of holly Jebus, they need more than one player on the floor who can DRIBBLE (if only to create an actual usable passing angle) in the half court to make something happen during the last five minutes of A PLAYOFF GAME!!!! 

If they don't get that player (or multiple players like that) here before Luka signs his extension, he's going to start getting, at some point, the same criticism Harden gets. Then he will leave. It's all so clear. 

(10-19-2020, 07:31 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 07:09 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2020, 07:05 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]More than anything that's gong to be KP's health.

Here I don't agree. If Mavs can improve with at least one starter level player, potential KP injury will not be (so) devastating. They will still be ok. But if Mavs basically run it back and only add #18, KP injury would be devastating. No matter how good Luka is, I don't think 2019 team can reach play-offs without KP.

Even if Dipo gets traded here and helps us get to the playoffs, a 2021 FA is going to know that coming to Dallas means Dipo is out so again, I'm not sure how that moves the needle from a recruitment standpoint.  Players are smart.  They aren't going to just look at the record of a team and pack their bags.

This may not be true. Does he look like a good player again or an all star level player? If you got out of Powell and Wright's deals you could manage to fit a similarly priced contract in to Dipo's current salary fairly easy while maintaining max cap space in 2021. Kleber and Curry are such value deals they'd be easy to dump. 

That's assuming a flat cap. Perhaps it goes down in 2021. This entire thread is pointless if it goes down lol.

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(10-20-2020, 10:11 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Since THJ's opt in date isn't until after the draft, is it even POSSIBLE to package him with #18? Moving #18 would have to be a draft night trade, correct? I don't think it's a fit as a package. 

You can say, I guess, that the Mavs could simply draft a player and then package that player with THJ after he opts in, but to me, the chance to pick who you want at #18 (even though the NBA is stupid, and he'd have to take a picture in a Mavs hat) is the attractive thing here. Once the Mavs drive off the lot with the new car, I don't think it's worth as much weeks later.

KL that's really just a semantics type thing. You agree to the deal at the draft but you may do it a month later. They have a draft night deal every year have to wait a week into free agency. Or at least it seems like it.

(10-20-2020, 06:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 06:22 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I don't agree that you HAVE to have a star playing initiator though. Jrue is NOT a star and I think even you have said he is the perfect fit. This is changing your point made in the previous post from STAR to INITIATOR. I can agree with the initiator, can't agree with the star.

This will be like the 10th time I've typed this:

When people (especially people who work for teams) use the term "star" what they mean (whether they realize it or not - most fans don't, I guess) is "difference maker who can affect change in the game with the ball in their hands." THAT is what this team needs. I'd argue they need more than one additional player like that. This is 100% why the Mavs wanted Kemba Walker, so I'm cautiously optimistic that they understand their situation, even if fans don't. 

Jrue Holiday is a great example, because he IS such a player (though on the low end of that spectrum), it's just that he's not the type to cultivate his "star" profile. In other words, the perception of him around the league isn't anywhere close to the perception of him by fans via the media.

Holiday = that guy, but casual fans don't realize it.
Oladipo = fans THINK he's that guy, but those in the league don't seem to agree. 

I try to be very careful not to use the word "star" or the phrase "3rd star" to avoid miscommunications like this. I don't care how POPULAR the Mavs' players are, but for the love of holly Jebus, they need more than one player on the floor who can DRIBBLE (if only to create an actual usable passing angle) in the half court to make something happen during the last five minutes of A PLAYOFF GAME!!!! 

If they don't get that player (or multiple players like that) here before Luka signs his extension, he's going to start getting, at some point, the same criticism Harden gets. Then he will leave. It's so clear. 

I agree that you've talked a lot about an initiator, I also agree that we need 1 or 2 more than we have (which is 1...and maybe a half with Burke). I don't think they all need to be Kemba Walker high end. Luka draws attention, KP draws attention. With that, all we need is guys like you said, that can ACTUALLY DRIBBLE THE BALL to get either the shot or a shot for another. 

I don't even think they need to be all that high-end at many other things. Derek Rose is an example of what I'm thinking. Schroeder is another name that isn't high-end, but CAN be that guy. Burke has shown the ability in the highest of pressure situation to be able to do it, which is promising, but he isn't a high-end guy.

Sure, an actual STAR (which I believe to be a perennial all-star, not necessarily 1st team, which is a superstar IMO) says they want to come here, you figure out how. In the mean time, get guys like I said that can be that difference maker (who can also play defense!!!!!!!). Instead of all these offense first and offense only guys we have who can't do the one thing on offense you're begging for.

(10-20-2020, 06:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Oladipo = fans THINK he's that guy due to his reputation, but those in the league don't seem to agree. Not right now, at least. 

I mean he did make the all-star team twice and that includes coaches voting.

(10-20-2020, 06:17 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]He has not been good when not a ball dominant guard. 

Ok guys, again you are just saying stuff (not the first person saying this) which is simply not true. In his best season Dipo had a usage rate of 30 %, which is way below Luka and at KP level. 

Next season, when he was allegedly worse than season before, his usage rate dropped to 27 %. Do you know which player came and had usage rate of 26 %? Tyreke Evans, who was negative on both sides of the court - so was this perhaps a reason Dipo was worse than season before and not because Dipo was actually playing worse? He took less shots than season before and his shooting was a bit worse, but he was passing more and had less turnovers. 

In OKC, Dipo was playing next to Westbrook and his usage rate was between 22-25 %, which is basically at THJ level. He scored around 15 ppg on average shooting and was a much better defender THJ ever will be. This version of Dipo is easily best guard next to Luka we would have.

Season after injury, his usage rate was 26 %, a little above Brogdon with 25 %, Sabonis (23) and Warren (23). THJ had a usage rate of 22 % last season playing next to Luka... And yes, I admit, Dipo was bad last season. But I don't take those 19 post injury games as an indicator. But sure, that's why his value is low and not several picks.

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(10-20-2020, 06:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Holiday = that guy, but casual fans don't realize it.
Oladipo = fans THINK he's that guy due to his reputation, but those in the league don't seem to agree. Not right now, at least. 

Let me ask you. If you would have this two deals on the table, which one would you do:
1. Wright+Jackson+Bobi+18+31 for Dipo
2. THJ+Curry+18+2025 FRP for Holiday

Both can leave after one season and people tend to think that offer number two is actually light.

@"ItsGoTime" Totally agree that the team needs two-way players. Having said that, I think much too much hubbub is made about "great defenders." It's two-way players who stay connected to each other and PLAY HARD on that end that you have to have. My observation is that MOST NBA players are capable of this, provided they've played together long enough and they all believe their team has a chance to win. Mix in a couple of great defenders, and you've really got something, but great defenders who aren't totally useless on the offensive end seem to be the rarest of things in the league. The good news is that Luka/KP have a chance to be more effective on defense than Nash/Dirk ever were, and soon, so it should be much easier to build this team defensively than the last time around. I don't think you have to go all out (yet) and think defense first with your team building, especially when the offense turns so ugly down the stretch of an important game against good teams. I think Convington's and OPJ's WILL matter when you've actually got your core together. I just don't think they're at that point yet, BUT I'd expect them to be much better on defense anyway, provided adequate continuity. 

Totally agree that they need multiple added initiators, and that not all of them need to be other-worldly. Brunson (or Burke) should be good off the bench, for example. I still think they need ONE more guy who actually frightens defenses with more than his ability to catch and shoot. Someone who can attack in multiple ways. 

In a similar but slightly different point, even if you really believe Luka/KP is comparable to Lebron/Davis right now (I don't, for the reasons I mentioned), I think it's naive not to focus on the fact that other teams are building this way. Greedily. You can't build the team to compete with what's out there NOW and hope to succeed. Success comes when you catch up to what those who are already better will be in the FUTURE. Luka is still improving (I'm not one of these guys who wonders "How does he get better?") which will help, but they had damn well better be aiming as high as possible. Someone is getting Giannis, and it's not going to be Milwaukee.

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(10-20-2020, 07:00 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

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(10-20-2020, 06:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Holiday = that guy, but casual fans don't realize it.
Oladipo = fans THINK he's that guy due to his reputation, but those in the league don't seem to agree. Not right now, at least. 

Let me ask you. If you would have this two deals on the table, which one would you do:
1. Wright+Jackson+Bobi+18+31 for Dipo
2. THJ+Curry+18+2025 FRP for Holiday

Both can leave after one season and people tend to think that offer number two is actually light.

I'm not 100% positive I do either deal, but if forced to choose one, I take #1 all day. 

LOVE Holiday, and he's a GREAT on-court fit here, but he doesn't perfectly fit the team's timeline. So, at that price, I hold off for a different deal that makes more sense for me. Jrue would speed up the development here, teach Luka and the others a bunch, but right as they'd be ready to really win, he'd be about done.

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(10-20-2020, 06:54 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 06:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Oladipo = fans THINK he's that guy due to his reputation, but those in the league don't seem to agree. Not right now, at least. 

I mean he did make the all-star team twice and that includes coaches voting.

Carmelo Anthony has made a ton of All Star teams. Do you want him? 

I'm trolling here, but honestly, only a little. My point is that for whatever reason, the perception of a player and the value of what he actually provides on the court can be wildly different at times. Everyone (nationally) that I respect has been commenting for the past few months that Oladipo looks DONE. Maybe they're wrong, and again, since his contract is expiring, I MIGHT PULL THE TRIGGER, depending on the deal.

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(10-20-2020, 06:17 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]He has not been good when not a ball dominant guard. 

Ok guys, again you are just saying stuff (not the first person saying this) which is simply not true. In his best season Dipo had a usage rate of 30 %, which is way below Luka and at KP level. 

Next season, when he was allegedly worse than season before, his usage rate dropped to 27 %. Do you know which player came and had usage rate of 26 %? Tyreke Evans, who was negative on both sides of the court - so was this perhaps a reason Dipo was worse than season before and not because Dipo was actually playing worse? He took less shots than season before and his shooting was a bit worse, but he was passing more and had less turnovers. 

In OKC, Dipo was playing next to Westbrook and his usage rate was between 22-25 %, which is basically at THJ level. He scored around 15 ppg on average shooting and was a much better defender THJ ever will be. This version of Dipo is easily best guard next to Luka we would have.

Season after injury, his usage rate was 26 %, a little above Brogdon with 25 %, Sabonis (23) and Warren (23). THJ had a usage rate of 22 % last season playing next to Luka... And yes, I admit, Dipo was bad last season. But I don't take those 19 post injury games as an indicator. But sure, that's why his value is low and not several picks.

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(10-20-2020, 06:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Holiday = that guy, but casual fans don't realize it.
Oladipo = fans THINK he's that guy due to his reputation, but those in the league don't seem to agree. Not right now, at least. 

Let me ask you. If you would have this two deals on the table, which one would you do:
1. Wright+Jackson+Bobi+18+31 for Dipo
2. THJ+Curry+18+2025 FRP for Holiday

Both can leave after one season and people tend to think that offer number two is actually light.

Maybe I phrased that poorly but I was stating that Dipo is best when he's more ball dominant. If you believe usage shows that than his best year was his highest usage rate. 
I think usage rate is an interesting stat but it's fairly useless to really determine how ball dominant someone is. It just simply just shows how involved they are in the offense. So pretty much all your great players have pretty decent usage %. I mean go look up the formula. There's no way to calculate ball dominant is except maybe with some assists I guess? And it's not in the calculation. 

Oladipo struggled in Orlando playing with Peyton and Jameer, he struggled with RW in OKC but was better with more talent around for sure. 

He has had the least amount of competition for playing with the ball in Indy is the point. 

The argument against Dipo essentially is that you want a guy who excels offball but also can create. Dipo definitely doesn't excel offball. Can he play that way? Maybe. And maybe with the right guy next to him it's not a problem. 

Again I'm open to trading for him but he's not on the top of my list. And if you tell me Dipo doesn't match his career best 3 point percentage of 37%... I'm completely out on him. Of course you don't know on that one tho ha.

(10-20-2020, 07:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]The argument against Dipo essentially is that you want a guy who excels offball but also can create. Dipo definitely doesn't excel offball. Can he play that way? Maybe. And maybe with the right guy next to him it's not a problem. 

We have to define what good means to each one of us. For me, Orlando or OKC Oladipo version for a price we were discussing is good, better than what we currently have at guards. Because of his defense next to above average offense (15 ppg is above average). Prime Indy version is a jackpot.

Regarding the off ball stuff - Mavs were looking at Kemba who I would say is more ball dominant than Dipo. And I perfectly agree with Killer - I don't want Luka and Mavs to become Hardens Houston. They need to push Luka to be active off ball, not just stand around being completely useless like Harden is.

KL I find it fascinating that you think getting Holiday wouldn't make the Mavs ready to win now. He provides defense and that offball ability + creation. Tho he's not elite in some of those areas by any means he's good all around. 

I think you are missing that wing as the final piece to being a contender now. I think you may even be able to scrap up enough to find someone to fill in until 2021 free agency and be the 2nd/3rd favorite in the west. 

But a move for Holiday is a 2021 move anyways to pair with whatever other free agent moves. I think 2021 you are ready to be a for sure contender with Holiday? Is Holiday too old at 31 to be making major future investments? I can buy that concern for sure. I'd love to get another great young piece. Extremely difficult to do tho of course.

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(10-20-2020, 07:52 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 07:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]The argument against Dipo essentially is that you want a guy who excels offball but also can create. Dipo definitely doesn't excel offball. Can he play that way? Maybe. And maybe with the right guy next to him it's not a problem. 

We have to define what good means to each one of us. For me, Orlando or OKC Oladipo version for a price we were discussing is good, better than what we currently have at guards. Because of his defense next to above average offense (15 ppg is above average). Prime Indy version is a jackpot.

Regarding the off ball stuff - Mavs were looking at Kemba who I would say is more ball dominant than Dipo. And I perfectly agree with Killer - I don't want Luka and Mavs to become Hardens Houston. They need to push Luka to be active off ball, not just stand around being completely useless like Harden is.

Kemba is definitely ball dominant. But he can also play off ball. I'm not saying Dipo being ball dominant is the main problem (although it might be not ideal) but his struggles playing offball. The catch and shoot stats are very concerning. 

See I'm not ok with Orlando version of Dipo. I feel like THJ is a better player for the Mavs than that player even if he is a decent player. I want 2017 version of Dipo that could shoot half decent or I'm not interested. Again, there is no way of knowing what you are getting. And thus the huge risk in it. 

I'm ok with taking that risk at a price and if other options are exhausted first. Despite my concerns, it's far from a hard no from me.

(10-20-2020, 07:53 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]KL I find it fascinating that you think getting Holiday wouldn't make the Mavs ready to win now. He provides defense and that offball ability + creation. Tho he's not elite in some of those areas by any means he's good all around. 

I think you are missing that wing as the final piece to being a contender now. I think you may even be able to scrap up enough to find someone to fill in until 2021 free agency and be the 2nd/3rd favorite in the west. 

But a move for Holiday is a 2021 move anyways to pair with whatever other free agent moves. I think 2021 you are ready to be a for sure contender with Holiday? Is Holiday too old at 31 to be making major future investments? I can buy that concern for sure. I'd love to get another great young piece. Extremely difficult to do tho of course.

I agree with your assessment of HIM, I just think the current Mavs are farther away than you do, I guess. I think he gets them much closer, but I'm of the opinion that no matter how good their best players are, the core of the team will still need to gain experience in tough playoff series before ultimately reaching the top platuea of true contenders. I don't think they are the favorites for two years, at least. Unless they get Giannis, obvs.

Would love to have Holiday, obviously. He's a winner, I think. My response was just about the specific deal mentioned (relative to the current Mavs' assets).

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Look everyone, I know 2020 has been rough for all of us. But honestly, my dudes, what I think we need around here right now is a little more blind faith. Just relax, breathe and let this happen. 

https://twitter.com/HouseMavericks/statu...51617?s=20

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That's not Fish and DLord, it's Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe. PLAYERS and AGENTS are listening to it. This is not a pipe dream.

(10-20-2020, 08:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 07:53 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]KL I find it fascinating that you think getting Holiday wouldn't make the Mavs ready to win now. He provides defense and that offball ability + creation. Tho he's not elite in some of those areas by any means he's good all around. 

I think you are missing that wing as the final piece to being a contender now. I think you may even be able to scrap up enough to find someone to fill in until 2021 free agency and be the 2nd/3rd favorite in the west. 

But a move for Holiday is a 2021 move anyways to pair with whatever other free agent moves. I think 2021 you are ready to be a for sure contender with Holiday? Is Holiday too old at 31 to be making major future investments? I can buy that concern for sure. I'd love to get another great young piece. Extremely difficult to do tho of course.

I agree with your assessment of HIM, I just think the current Mavs are farther away than you do, I guess. I think he gets them much closer, but I'm of the opinion that no matter how good their best players are, the core of the team will still need to gain experience in tough playoff series before ultimately reaching the top platuea of true contenders. I don't think they are the favorites for two years, at least. Unless they get Giannis, obvs.

Would love to have Holiday, obviously. He's a winner, I think. My response was just about the specific deal mentioned (relative to the current Mavs' assets).

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Look everyone, I know 2020 has been rough for all of us. But honestly, my dudes, what I think we need around here right now is a little more blind faith. Just relax, breathe and let this happen. 

https://twitter.com/HouseMavericks/statu...51617?s=20

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That's not Fish and DLord, it's Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe. PLAYERS and AGENTS are listening to it. This is not a pipe dream.

Just Google Giannis Dallas Mavs...lots of articles and chatter on this on the National level...it's not just our pipe dream talk on here anymore...

Luka had a bunch of super subs and was playing so good a Coach got fired...

Re: Giannis to DAL

IF Giannis wants to come to DAL, awesome, come on down!

BUT if he wants to come, the Mavs will be able to clear the room they need or make the sign and trade happen THEN. There is NO need to be clearing space in advance. Just keep accumulating talented tradeable assets (Plan ATTA).

(10-20-2020, 08:38 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Re: Giannis to DAL

IF Giannis wants to come to DAL, awesome, come on down!

BUT if he wants to come, the Mavs will be able to clear the room they need or make the sign and trade happen THEN. There is NO need to be clearing space in advance. Just keep accumulating talented tradeable assets (Plan ATTA).

Within reason, I agree. However, planning ahead is key. I'd much rather KEEP some of the cheap role players, which means not having any major salary you can't move. I agree with you that Powell will be back and have value, so it might be a moot point, but then again, maybe not. If at all possible, I don't want to be forced to move Kleber, DFS, Curry...whatever is left by then. 

If they're NOT in the rotation (like Wright) then move them, IMO. Not dump them, but move them. You get the chance to improve immediately AND get closer to the dream.

(10-20-2020, 08:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-20-2020, 07:53 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]KL I find it fascinating that you think getting Holiday wouldn't make the Mavs ready to win now. He provides defense and that offball ability + creation. Tho he's not elite in some of those areas by any means he's good all around. 

I think you are missing that wing as the final piece to being a contender now. I think you may even be able to scrap up enough to find someone to fill in until 2021 free agency and be the 2nd/3rd favorite in the west. 

But a move for Holiday is a 2021 move anyways to pair with whatever other free agent moves. I think 2021 you are ready to be a for sure contender with Holiday? Is Holiday too old at 31 to be making major future investments? I can buy that concern for sure. I'd love to get another great young piece. Extremely difficult to do tho of course.

I agree with your assessment of HIM, I just think the current Mavs are farther away than you do, I guess. I think he gets them much closer, but I'm of the opinion that no matter how good their best players are, the core of the team will still need to gain experience in tough playoff series before ultimately reaching the top platuea of true contenders. I don't think they are the favorites for two years, at least. Unless they get Giannis, obvs.

Would love to have Holiday, obviously. He's a winner, I think. My response was just about the specific deal mentioned (relative to the current Mavs' assets).

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Look everyone, I know 2020 has been rough for all of us. But honestly, my dudes, what I think we need around here right now is a little more blind faith. Just relax, breathe and let this happen. 

https://twitter.com/HouseMavericks/statu...51617?s=20

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That's not Fish and DLord, it's Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe. PLAYERS and AGENTS are listening to it. This is not a pipe dream.

That's fair. I do think that a team does need to go thru a postseason heartbreak typically to make it thru. That's not always the case tho. And with Luka as the leader I don't think we will have to if the team is good enough. He's a season vet now with all his pro experience. Such a rare thing to be a pro so young. Now maybe you don't value that championship and playoff experience like I do. But I think it's huge.

I also think there is a small window here the next few years to make a couple of runs while the league is shifting between the old guard and the new and the teams are repositioning. It started last year with all the movement. Next offseason I expect the balance of the NBA to be radically different after free agency. Maybe you won't have any super teams but I bet you get some dang good teams. Better than teams now.

(10-20-2020, 09:09 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]

lol, good work.

Saw someone post that tweet from Gallo. He seems gone from OKC. 

I wonder if he might be one of those that signs a one year deal and enters free agency next year? 

I'm like 90% sure he's going to Miami. But if Miami decides to go in a different direction then I think it's a very tough market for him if he wants to go to a good team.