(11-14-2020, 11:59 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: tumblr-o2j4qe-BMi11tjdvfuo1-500.gif]](https://i.ibb.co/g67m0Wr/tumblr-o2j4qe-BMi11tjdvfuo1-500.gif)
Yeah, it was that, but then he put Dirk's head on the black and white cat, DWhistle's on the grey, and LeBunghole's on the orange. And Dirk's cat had the Larry at the end.
(11-13-2020, 04:53 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2020, 04:27 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I know the cap mathers will swoop in and say it's still technically possible to carve out a max slot, and that's awesome, but I don't think the Mavs do it without being able to live with him as the guy they've been looking for.
I mean any Lavine trade means we need to be shipping out some of our own players. Luka/KP are off the table. So who's left? We can't trade THJ unless he opts in. Which leaves Powell/Maxi/Seth/Jackson/Wright/Brunson.
All of those guys eat into our 21' cap space anyways. Which means any Lavine trade is just a consolidation of our contracts that already eat into that space. And I think Lavine is more than worth it when you look at the guys we'd be consolidating.
As it stands, the Mavs don't have a max spot anyways if 21' free agency began next week. We still need to make a trade regardless if we consolidated for Lavine or if we didn't. In one hypothetical scenario, lets say the Mavs sign Milsap to a 2 year MLE deal, and trade Lavine+OPJ for Powell+Wright+THJ+Brunson+and a pick. This would leave the Mavs about 20 mil off of a max deal the Giannis summer. Lavine's contract is 19.5 mil. Milsap would be a 10.5 mil expiring. The Mavs could easily trade Maxi or Seth and 8.5 mil a piece.
See how easy it becomes to carve out a max space? AND in the process the Mavs net a high flying young bucket getter that could easily fill the best 3rd option on a championship team.
OMG, I would do that trade so fast. Wow. Throw in future firsts if needed. That is a sell the future kind of trade!
Luka/Lavine/OPJ/Milsap/KP with an easy path to adding GA next year? IF Giannis is saying that money is secondary to championships, how does he say no to joining luka/lavine/kp? That is a SQUAD.
OK.. now, why does Chi do that?
LaVine is so yesterday. We're on to Rubio now.
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(11-13-2020, 05:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2020, 05:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]There's no version of the deal (that Chicago agrees to) that includes Powell.
There's no version that doesn't include BOTH #18 and #31, along with at least two and up to ALL of DFS, Kleber, Curry and Brunson.
I see what you're saying. I think a realistic deal is somewhere in-between from my low ball and your overpay.
It probably does take some deal like Seth and Maxi to get it done. I only included Powell because Chicago's own fan writers included him in a potential deal. Which tells me that 1) they are hurting for any bigman. 2) Powell's value, even after his injury, isn't that non-existent.
I think Lavine is worth 18. And might even be worth 31 too. OPJ has been beaten to death about his potential fit and upside. I guess another way to think about it would be is Lavine/OPJ/Milsap better than Maxi/Seth/18+31? Lavine>Seth. OPJ is that defensive wing we all want one of those picks to be (even if the picks carry more long-term value). Milsap and Maxi are a push at worst. Also allows us to try and get creative with THJ in some deals.
So even on the high end, I'd do that deal. Mostly because the ability to create max space is still easier afterwards.
Man, I am so sold on that deal.. at that point cap space isn't even the concern. Adding Lavine and OPJ to Luka/KP is freaking amazing. Mavs would have the best record in the west with that trade (and signing milsap to the MLE). I would be happy with the Luka/Lavine/OPJ/KP core moving into the future. Mixing in a cheaper defensive player into that mix is easy enough. That foursome is EXTREMELY potent and position-versatile. You could add your plug in starter at PG or as a big. That player doesn't HAVE to even be a great shooter since the others are plus, with Luka distributing. That is an amazing team for switching and is a cheat code on offense. Sign me up for that!
https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-jame...s-rockets/
I wouldn't trade Harden if I were the Rockets. I would trade Westbrook and Gordon if I could. I would keep trying to mix up the guys around Harden. He is too good to trade. You would get a good package back from the Nets but not one that's good enough imo.
Assuming you hand the reigns to Westbrook you get:
Westbrook
Dinwiddie/Gordon
LeVert/House
RoCo
Allan/Tucker
That's a nice lineup and you have some pieces to move around still. I don't hate it altho I think Westbrook is movable and Harden is a much better player.
I don't think Mavs will have enough to get Gallo bc their offer will probably be 1 yr at the full MLE. That being said, whatever you think of fit you would do that type of deal in a heartbeat because it's just good asset management. If Mavs are able to add a few pieces without having to really give up much you could have a strong roster headed into the season. Danny Green is another guy you might be able to get for spare parts. We discussed Oubre as another option that could be had for cheap. The #18 pick is likely to either give you a solid 3D prospect in the draft or be swapped for a good player. If you end up with 2-3 more guys that are solid playoff rotation players on top of this roster you are in good shape.
I wouldn't do it bc I would trade Westbrook instead unless you think you can't get anything good for him and are basically stuck as a team that can't get any better.
I am not convinced this lineup couldn't be a top 4 team:
Westbrook
Dinwiddie/Gordon
LeVert/House
RoCo
Allan/Tucker
Westbrook is still a good player but you need to surround him with shooters. The Rockets would be able to do that better than the Thunder ever did. With this roster the Rockets still have a move or two more they could make if they want to.
(11-15-2020, 08:42 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Mavs will have enough to get Gallo bc their offer will probably be 1 yr at the full MLE.
I wouldn't hesitate to make it a multi-year offer. Barring major injury he's good enough to be moved whenever needed to clear cap space. May still not be enough though.
It's hard for me to believe Mavs have enough of what Chicago wants to land Lavine.
It is interesting to look at a deal from a Chicago fan site's perspective:
https://dawindycity.com/2020/11/14/chica...vericks/4/
They have several trade ideas, all of which I think the Mavs would do and the Bulls wouldn't. That being said maybe you're only hope is if Chicago values 2021 cap space. In that scenario IF you are able to trade THJ (need to know those deadlines) then you would do something like:
THJ, #18, future first and I would add #31 too (which wasn't in the above trade idea). Here you are saying here's a good scorer in THJ that maybe you could flip again at the TDL + 3 picks and you will have cap space. If the Bulls aren't convinced LaVine is a foundational piece then they could say, hey we will just replace him with a better fitting core piece in 2021 and cash in on his relatively high value now.
(11-15-2020, 09:58 AM)loki Wrote: [ -> ] (11-15-2020, 08:42 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Mavs will have enough to get Gallo bc their offer will probably be 1 yr at the full MLE.
I wouldn't hesitate to make it a multi-year offer. Barring major injury he's good enough to be moved whenever needed to clear cap space. May still not be enough though.
MBT too conservative to do that.
Okay another LaVine idea would require a 3-team trade.
Mavs have assets that have value to teams just not rebuilding teams. So the 3 way with Chicago would be something like:
- Mavs send out picks, assets (DFS, Curry, Maxi-types of some combination, not necessarily all of them)
- Chicago sends out LaVine
- Third team gives up a higher pick, presumably a lottery pick
Some the final received pieces look like:
- Mavs = LaVine
- Chicago = Lotto pick
- Third team = Mavs role players, non-lotto picks
This type of trade wouldn't necessarily require THJ to be traded which is good given the uncertainty around opt-in/out deadlines.
(11-15-2020, 10:02 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]MBT too conservative to do that.
According to Townsend they had a deal in place at the deadline for Gallo but he wouldn't agree to an extension. They seem to be willing to spend for the right player.
(11-15-2020, 10:07 AM)loki Wrote: [ -> ] (11-15-2020, 10:02 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]MBT too conservative to do that.
According to Townsend they had a deal in place at the deadline for Gallo but he wouldn't agree to an extension. They seem to be willing to spend for the right player.
Ya I did see that which baffles me lol. That doesn't seem very Mavs-like.
So don't you think the Gallo extension the Mavs would have offered would have been the same type of deal Iggy got?
Iggy got a 2-year extension where the last year is non-guaranteed and totally imaginary. So it's just a 1 year extension. That has to be what the Mavs offered. Basically a 1 yr deal at big money, which is not a bad offer depending on what Gallo thought he could get on the open market.
Given that he would have turned down a 1 yr 20 mil+ type extension I doubt he will be available around MLE. I think he's banking on NYK or some other team giving him something like 2 for 30 or more.
(11-15-2020, 10:10 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]So don't you think the Gallo extension the Mavs would have offered would have been the same type of deal Iggy got?
Iggy got a 2-year extension where the last year is non-guaranteed and totally imaginary. So it's just a 1 year extension. That has to be what the Mavs offered. Basically a 1 yr deal at big money, which is not a bad offer depending on what Gallo thought he could get on the open market.
Given that he would have turned down a 1 yr 20 mil+ type extension I doubt he will be available around MLE. I think he's banking on NYK or some other team giving him something like 2 for 30 or more.
I hadn't really considered that, but you could definitely be right. He may end up regretting turning that offer down. 20 mil+ next year plus becoming a free agent in 2021 when everyone has cap space would have been my preference if I were in his shoes.
(11-15-2020, 01:22 AM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]OK.. now, why does Chi do that?
Maybe Chicago doesn't see Lavine as the main building block for a championship team. Maybe Chicago's new management wants to create their own team in their own vision with new guys instead of trying to hopelessly tinker with the team of old management. Maybe Chicago really likes Dwight Powell?
Who knows! In any case, one thing is for certain, Lavine would be a fantastic get for this Mav team. Killer and I had some good back and forth about what a realistic Lavine deal could be. In most cases, we'd probably be sending more than just THJ+Powell+some picks+Brunson etc.
And even on the high end I'd still do the deal. However, I do think the odds Chicago trades Lavine to Dallas is really low. It'd probably take an offer that most of would think is too much for him.
So, one day until trade season. Four days until options due. Five days until free agency. #fourcountdowns
(11-15-2020, 08:42 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't trade Harden if I were the Rockets. I would trade Westbrook and Gordon if I could
I pray the Rockets blow it up. 1 less team to worry about in the West and it means the Rockets get to start rebuilding for at least a couple of years.