(09-09-2020, 08:23 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Conversation with the beat writers for ATL, NYK and DET...the teams that have cap room this summer. Gives interesting perspective on the FA class and many of the names we discuss around here:
https://theathletic.com/2042511/2020/09/...ee-agency/
I don't have an account at the Athletic, but I've been thinking about it. Is it worthwhile?
(09-09-2020, 08:37 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have an account at the Athletic, but I've been thinking about it. Is it worthwhile?
They have a lot of in depth pieces and they have many excellent writers. For me it is especially interesting to read Hollinger articles, who was a vice president of Memphis Grizzlies a couple of years ago and has especially deep inside knowledge of how things are going on. I enjoy reading everything from their draft guru and cap guru. I am not that much into analytics, but who is, will find that pieces from analytics guru very interesting I am sure. Then you have specific beat writer for each individual team.
All in all, it is a very quality media and I enjoy reading it.
(09-09-2020, 04:49 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 04:42 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Why would the Thunder agree to that?
Well, CP3 is still owed 85 million in the next two seasons and I doubt teams will be form a line to trade for him. I see Philly with Horford and Richardson as the only serious player.
From the Milwaukee bunch OKC can easily flip Hill. Bledsoe, Wilson and Ilyasova could perhaps also be flipped for some worse salaries and second rounders.
From the Philly offer they could trade Richardson for some more convenient long term assets - I doubt it would make sense for both sides to resign in 2021. I doubt there would be any takers for Horford.
I don't see that Orlando trade. Salaries are not matching, Orlando would go well into tax.
Oh then throw in Fournier instead of Ross or add Aminu. It´s easily do-able for the Magic and no worse financially than the Bucks doing it.
It makes a lot more sense to add two former top 5 picks like Fultz/Bamba and another top 10 pick this year. Ross/Aminu or Fournier will also have better trade-on value than the Milwaukee player package.
The only way the Thunder would do the Bucks trade over the Magic trade, is that they made a promise to CP3 that he gets significant input in his trade destination. Even in that case DiVicenzo will be in the deal.
(09-09-2020, 10:07 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]It makes a lot more sense to add two former top 5 picks like Fultz/Bamba and another top 10 pick this year. Ross/Aminu or Fournier will also have better trade-on value than the Milwaukee player package.
I get that part. I don't get why Magic would do it. They are not one piece away. Adding Paul doesn't make them contender, not even close.
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(09-09-2020, 10:22 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]PSA: TRADENBA.COM
I just wanted to let you guys know that this website is legit. ESPN trade machine on steriods. Check it out.
Nice find!
Speaking of trades, I just keep coming back to Chicago as a good trade partner for the Mavs, if the Mavs can figure out what exactly the Bulls want and what direction they are going.
Players I am possibly interested in on CHI:
Otto Porter Jr
Tomas
LaVine
Thaddeus Young
Markkanen
Valentine
I feel like any of those guys could potentially help fill a need on the Mavs.
(09-09-2020, 10:10 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 10:07 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]It makes a lot more sense to add two former top 5 picks like Fultz/Bamba and another top 10 pick this year. Ross/Aminu or Fournier will also have better trade-on value than the Milwaukee player package.
I get that part. I don't get why Magic would do it. They are not one piece away. Adding Paul doesn't make them contender, not even close.
Are you sure?
CP3
Fournier
Gordon
Isaac
Vucevic
What team in the East has a significantly better starting 5?
They´d go from DJ Augustin to CP3. PG is their main weakness. CP3 could connect all the dots for them.
Furthermore the Magic haven´t won a play-off series since 2009. That´s usually a pretty good trade driver.
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I wouldn´t be shocked, if we the Mavs tried to trade for CP3. Brunson, #18, #31, Kleber/Curry (high re-trade value) + Wright/Powell (need to eat some sh*t, too).
Under such a scenario, Mavs come out with
CP3 41
Porzingis 31
Doncic 10
DFS 4
Get two more $10M (Saric/Dunn?) before you have to fill out the rest with minimum guys.
The most interesting part is that CP3 expires in 2022, so theoretically you could have Porzingis + Doncic caphold + DFS caphold and again $50M in capspace. Question is do the Mavs want to put everything into FA 2021 or maybe try to create a more serious two year window. These are some very tough decisions ahead.
Though Paul and Cuban would definitely be best friends. Nobody complains about refs more than CP3 and MC62.
(09-09-2020, 10:59 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Are you sure?
CP3
Fournier
Gordon
Isaac
Vucevic
What team in the East has a significantly better starting 5?
Yes. First we established the remaining salaries are not enough to even facilitate Paul trade. So you have to include someone like Fournier or Gordon. Isaac is lost for next season so you are autmatically wasting one season of CP3 bloated contract. Isaac and Gordon can't really exist together in any case.
Some shrewd team is going to nab a couple of future Milwaukee 1st rounders. If/When Giannis bolts that team is going to be in trouble and picks in 2022 and beyond have a chance to be gold. The Bucks can't exactly be forward thinking right now either with regard to those picks. They have to do everything they can to improve their team this offseason in their efforts to keep Giannis.
OKC could definitely add to their treasure trove and those Clips and Rockets picks could be gold as well with potential player movement/decline.
(09-09-2020, 10:22 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]PSA: TRADENBA.COM
I just wanted to let you guys know that this website is legit. ESPN trade machine on steriods. Check it out.
I found it earlier this year when someone posted a trade idea and linked it. Haven't used anything else since.
(09-09-2020, 10:59 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn´t be shocked, if we the Mavs tried to trade for CP3. Brunson, #18, #31, Kleber/Curry (high re-trade value) + Wright/Powell (need to eat some sh*t, too).
Where did you lose THJ? If they traded for CP3 (which they won't), THJ+Wright+Powell+Jackson are the contracts needed.
(09-09-2020, 11:08 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 10:59 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Are you sure?
CP3
Fournier
Gordon
Isaac
Vucevic
What team in the East has a significantly better starting 5?
Yes. First we established the remaining salaries are not enough to even facilitate Paul trade. So you have to include someone like Fournier or Gordon. Isaac is lost for next season so you are autmatically wasting one season of CP3 bloated contract. Isaac and Gordon can't really exist together in any case.
Ross 13
Fultz 12
Aminu 9
Bamba 7
That´s 41M and plenty enough.
CP3 41
Vucevic 24
Gordon 16
What´s the max for Isaac going to be $27M?
That´s 108M.
CP 3 41
Giannis 37
Middleton 35
Lopez 13
That´s 126M.
(09-09-2020, 11:12 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 10:59 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn´t be shocked, if we the Mavs tried to trade for CP3. Brunson, #18, #31, Kleber/Curry (high re-trade value) + Wright/Powell (need to eat some sh*t, too).
Where did you lose THJ? If they traded for CP3 (which they won't), THJ+Wright+Powell+Jackson are the contracts needed.
Why? Those five players (Kleber, Curry, Powell, Wright, Brunson) add up to $38M.
(09-09-2020, 10:51 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 10:22 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]PSA: TRADENBA.COM
I just wanted to let you guys know that this website is legit. ESPN trade machine on steriods. Check it out.
Nice find!
Speaking of trades, I just keep coming back to Chicago as a good trade partner for the Mavs, if the Mavs can figure out what exactly the Bulls want and what direction they are going.
Players I am possibly interested in on CHI:
Otto Porter Jr
Tomas
LaVine
Thaddeus Young
Markkanen
Valentine
I feel like any of those guys could potentially help fill a need on the Mavs.
I feel the same way. I would not include Lavine but would love to pry WCJ from them somehow, some way even though I know it isn't gonna happen. He's the updated version of Al Horford.
Super interested in OPJ, Tomas and Young. Markkanen and Valentine I wouldn't mind having if they don't want them, but we would need to get more defenders in the offseason. Dunn, if those posting about him are correct in that he's in the Marcus Smart mold, I would like to get as well.
I don't get how that team was as bad as they were honestly.
(09-09-2020, 11:22 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 11:08 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 10:59 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Are you sure?
CP3
Fournier
Gordon
Isaac
Vucevic
What team in the East has a significantly better starting 5?
Yes. First we established the remaining salaries are not enough to even facilitate Paul trade. So you have to include someone like Fournier or Gordon. Isaac is lost for next season so you are autmatically wasting one season of CP3 bloated contract. Isaac and Gordon can't really exist together in any case.
Ross 13
Fultz 12
Aminu 9
Bamba 7
That´s 41M and plenty enough.
CP3 41
Vucevic 24
Gordon 16
What´s the max for Isaac going to be $27M?
That´s 108M.
CP 3 41
Giannis 37
Middleton 35
Lopez 13
That´s 126M.
(09-09-2020, 11:12 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 10:59 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn´t be shocked, if we the Mavs tried to trade for CP3. Brunson, #18, #31, Kleber/Curry (high re-trade value) + Wright/Powell (need to eat some sh*t, too).
Where did you lose THJ? If they traded for CP3 (which they won't), THJ+Wright+Powell+Jackson are the contracts needed.
Why? Those five players (Kleber, Curry, Powell, Wright, Brunson) add up to $38M.
That's our entire bench plus the picks. We're alleviating them of a giant contract. That's straight-up bull.
A far more reasonable CP3 trade would be THJ/Kleber/Powell/Brunson/18 for CP3/26.
(09-09-2020, 11:28 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get how that team was as bad as they were honestly.
They have talent but nothing cohesive to hold them together (including in the front office). They also don't have the stars DAL has now, all of their talent is ultimately supporting talent, not leading talent.
(09-09-2020, 11:28 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 10:51 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 10:22 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]PSA: TRADENBA.COM
I just wanted to let you guys know that this website is legit. ESPN trade machine on steriods. Check it out.
Nice find!
Speaking of trades, I just keep coming back to Chicago as a good trade partner for the Mavs, if the Mavs can figure out what exactly the Bulls want and what direction they are going.
Players I am possibly interested in on CHI:
Otto Porter Jr
Tomas
LaVine
Thaddeus Young
Markkanen
Valentine
I feel like any of those guys could potentially help fill a need on the Mavs.
I feel the same way. I would not include Lavine but would love to pry WCJ from them somehow, some way even though I know it isn't gonna happen. He's the updated version of Al Horford.
Super interested in OPJ, Tomas and Young. Markkanen and Valentine I wouldn't mind having if they don't want them, but we would need to get more defenders in the offseason. Dunn, if those posting about him are correct in that he's in the Marcus Smart mold, I would like to get as well.
I don't get how that team was as bad as they were honestly.
They were really good defensively, but really bad offensively. Pretty good match for our roster.
I just can´t see them trading Lavine, Markkanen or WCJ. That would be completely idiotic. That it´s the Bulls is probably our only hope. I´d be happy enough to get OPJ, while dumping Wright or Powell in the process.
(09-09-2020, 11:38 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]That's our entire bench plus the picks. We're alleviating them of a giant contract. That's straight-up bull.
A far more reasonable CP3 trade would be THJ/Kleber/Powell/Brunson/18 for CP3/26.
I honestly don't understand why we're giving OKC anything of real value for CP3. THJ/Powell/Wright/Jackson for CP and a pick (21 or 23 first rounder) is the most I'm willing to trade honestly.
(09-09-2020, 12:07 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2020, 11:38 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]That's our entire bench plus the picks. We're alleviating them of a giant contract. That's straight-up bull.
A far more reasonable CP3 trade would be THJ/Kleber/Powell/Brunson/18 for CP3/26.
I honestly don't understand why we're giving OKC anything of real value for CP3. THJ/Powell/Wright/Jackson for CP and a pick (21 or 23 first rounder) is the most I'm willing to trade honestly.
I think the whole board would go for that.