Sato in my opinion has an average defense. I'm not sure it's much better than Delon ..
Pay 10 million, to a backing. I wouldn't.
A. Bradley may be available ..
Young I like ... the guaranteed money 21 would be the problem ..
Delon + # 18 for Bjelica + # 35
Brunson + # 35 for Boston # 14 / C. Edwards / Semi
▪︎Boston gets a solid Pg backing.
▪︎release positions
# 31 D. Bane
# 14 P. williams or S. Bey
Luka / A. Bradley? / Edwards
Thj / Curry / Bane
Dfs / # 14 / Semi
Bjelica / Maxi / Jackson
Kp / Boban / Powell
• Maximum space 21.
I still haven’t seen anyone give a good answer to why we have to make sure there is dry powder year in and year out. As long as you sign guys to reasonable deals, money to sign the guys that say yes is a couple deals away.
I’d rather be the team that is getting high level players to say yes and deal with the how than the team that is keeping money free so they can pick up the scraps of the teams trying to figure out the how. That is literally what powder and nuclear is for us.
Let other teams help us figure out the how while we go after every FA we believe to be the best fit for us.
FVV is the guy? Make him say yes and then figure out how. Quit limiting what we can do by being so closed minded.
We don't have assets, to catch a big fish ... I think that's why wait Fa21. seems like the most realistic way to get a great player
(09-10-2020, 09:34 AM)Mike lorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]We don't have assets, to catch a big fish ... I think that's why wait Fa21. seems like the most realistic way to get a great player
Last seasons free agency period was kind of a bust.
+New contracts for Maxi, DFS, KP
+Curry
+Boban
-Powell
-Wright
-JJ
-Botched Heat Trade
-Couldn't get a conversation Kemba or PatBev
-Strung along by Danny Green wasting most of the free agency period.
Punting on 2020 for lottery ticket style odds for Giannis is foolish and wastes another year of building a team around Luka.
If Houston ditches Morey and he can't get another GM job, I think the Mavs need to look at hiring him or someone who has the ability to get conversations with and recruit marque players which is something the MBT has failed to do repeatedly.
(09-10-2020, 09:34 AM)Mike lorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]We don't have assets, to catch a big fish ... I think that's why wait Fa21. seems like the most realistic way to get a great player
Who is this great player? Giannis if he wants to sign would qualify but then again thats like a .1% shot. After that who are we targeting? And is that player any better than what we could get for assets we do have:
- 2 picks
- Expiring contracts
- Maxi, Curry, DFS, Brunson value role players
The above are all assets. Now we might not want to part with any of our valuable role guys but then it just depends on what you are getting in return. You are probably not getting a star back for any combination of these assets but like I said you probably aren't going to get a star in 2021 FA either.
I like Aaron Gordon a lot. He'd be a guy I would throw some assets at to get but I think there will be competition for him and I am not sure Orlando moves him.
There aren't a lot of names out there that I am that into. I think you might look at overpaid players or older guys that perhaps are on the decline but maybe only have a couple years left on their deals. There just aren't many 25 yr old stars are almost stars out there for the taking. The KP trade was an absolute masterpiece and might be a once in a decade type move that would be hard to ever repeat.
One strategy Mavs have gone for a couple of times is trying to overpay RFAs. Here is your 2021 RFA list:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2021/rfa/
You also see that if the team is hesitant to match you can offer up a pick in return like the Pacers did with Brogdon last summer.
A lot of these RFAs will be maxed: Tatum, Isaac but there are likely some names in there that are guys you could overpay to steal them away if you like them. This is the only route to get a younger player in free agency, which the Mavs would be interested in doing as that player would then be in the same age range as their current stars.
Any of these names do anything for anybody? I am particularly interested in any guard or forward that is a two-way player.
(09-10-2020, 09:34 AM)Mike lorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]We don't have assets, to catch a big fish ... I think that's why wait Fa21. seems like the most realistic way to get a great player
Sometimes I have the feeling, it doesn't matter what we have, it becomes automatically a not-asset.
We have Delon, Brunson, Seth, Maxi, DFS, JJax ,the seconds we own and we could offer pickswaps at this very moment.
We'll have #18 on Draft Day and can use JJB and Lee in a SnT as FA starts and we can use the full MLE.
And we can pay up to 5 Mio.
Then there are THjr and WCS, who have to decide if they become assets.
Maybe, that's not "great we will get LeBron" assets but assets nontheless.
I the end I would love to just use the MLE, #18 & #31, Delon, JJax, perhaps a SnT and the 5 Mio .
(09-10-2020, 08:55 AM)Mike lorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]Sato in my opinion has an average defense. I'm not sure it's much better than Delon ..
Pay 10 million, to a backing. I wouldn't.
Sato would be the starter next to Luka, period. The Mavs are paying a future perennial deep bench player more than $10 mil in Powell. THJ, with his (lack of) defense at wing, must not start for the Mavs if they want to contend with Luka, and we're paying him $19 mil.
If you can come up with a way for the Mavs to get a player who is, overall, better than Sato to take that starting spot next to Luka who checks all of the cannot-not-have boxes better than he does (a. can quarterback the team without significant dropoff when Luka sits, b. can get his own shot, c. a plus defender of point guards, d. a deadeye 3-point catch-and-shoot guy for when he's on the floor with Luka, and e. doesn't get pissy, disgruntled, and out of sorts basketball-wise when he doesn't have the ball more than 25% of the time when on the floor with Luka, which is not going to be the case if that player has any brains whatsoever, and which is the box that Brunson cannot check, and one of several Wright was poor at), I'm all ears and would be happier for having heard it. Sato is just one suggestion.
Gentlemen,
The game has changed. This is not a team with post prime Dirk as the selling point. We have Luka with 10+ years of MVP level play to come and a unicorn. If Giannis doesn't re-sign we have a good shot.
That being said, we should be able to position ourselves to sign Giannis and improve the team this off-season as well.
Sato would be a big upgrade over Delon. He should have been the guy they got in the first place. I would gladly do Delon + #31 for Sato. Bulls might do that as they could see Delon as a similar player and they are likely in rebuild mode so #31 would be useful to them.
(09-10-2020, 10:27 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Gentlemen,
The game has changed. This is not a team with post prime Dirk as the selling point. We have Luka with 10+ years of MVP level play to come and a unicorn. If Giannis doesn't re-sign we have a good shot.
That being said, we should be able to position ourselves to sign Giannis and improve the team this off-season as well.
I sort of agree but to the extent they improve the team its going to be with careful maneuvering that doesn't add 2021 money. I am like 90% sure the MLE will not be spent absent a move that ships Wright off and there's a high probably that whoever we get is expiring. Whatever combination of moves that happen I would not expect any new dollars on 2021. In fact if Wright is shipped we might see those dollars go down.
So everyone seems to be dogpiling Eric Bledsoe, and there are already stories about Milwaukee wanting to trade him for more playmaking and shooting. I think he could qualify as a buy-low candidate at this point with the potential to be a huge steal in the right system that isn't depending on him to run the offense. If only there was a team that might value a tough, versatile, reasonably-paid PG who has won multiple awards for his defense. Hmm...
(09-10-2020, 10:28 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]that doesn't add 2021 money.
Why? Please, someone answer this. Why?
(09-10-2020, 10:47 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2020, 10:28 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]that doesn't add 2021 money.
Why? Please, someone answer this. Why?
Bc MBT. Now I have had a caveat that 2021 Plan Powder might be a 1-player race. If Giannis does sign a Supermax that could change things depending on how the Mavs view the rest of their 2021 options.
(09-10-2020, 10:45 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]I think he could qualify as a buy-low candidate at this point with the potential to be a huge steal in the right system that isn't depending on him to run the offense. If only there was a team that might value a tough, versatile, reasonably-paid PG who has won multiple awards for his defense. Hmm...
I was thinking a lot about Bledsoe. The problem I have is, he might "kill" Mavs offense exactly the same way he killed Bucks offense. Based on this, I am not willing to risk his remaining three years to try it out. Because if it doesn't work, we would end with one of the worst contracts in the league.
(09-10-2020, 10:45 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]So everyone seems to be dogpiling Eric Bledsoe, and there are already stories about Milwaukee wanting to trade him for more playmaking and shooting. I think he could qualify as a buy-low candidate at this point with the potential to be a huge steal in the right system that isn't depending on him to run the offense. If only there was a team that might value a tough, versatile, reasonably-paid PG who has won multiple awards for his defense. Hmm...
I wish Bledsoe shot better from 3 but Rick might be able to fix that? You would probably be sending away THJ in the deal. That eats up your 2021 space. I think Bledsoe might be a better fit next to Luka in the starting lineup than THJ altho that's perhaps debatable. I am not sure Mavs would think it's enough of an upgrade to pull the trigger honestly.
(09-10-2020, 10:59 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]You would probably be sending away THJ in the deal.
We are certainly not in play for a trade with Milwaukee. We don't have anything that they could really use. However, if they trade for CP3, Bledsoe is going to OKC and OKC has no use of him. Now, there would be many options how to trade for him from OKC, including Wright and Powell bad contracts.
(09-10-2020, 11:01 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2020, 10:59 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]You would probably be sending away THJ in the deal.
We are certainly not in play for a trade with Milwaukee. We don't have anything that they could really use. However, if they trade for CP3, Bledsoe is going to OKC and OKC has no use of him. Now, there would be many options how to trade for him from OKC, including Wright and Powell bad contracts.
Milwaukee doesn't really have a way to trade for CP3 without sending off Middleton bc CP3's contract is so massive. I imagine Milwaukee would rather have expiring THJ over Bledsoe. They struggled shooting in the playoffs. I don't think Mavs would value Bledsoe enough over THJ who is obviously a good fit here and is on an expiring contract.
If you can show me a legal trade that does some kind of 3-way CP3 deal it would be interesting but the salary matching would be very difficult as far as I can tell. That being said I think Houston had a crazy trade last year with a ton of moving parts.
(09-10-2020, 12:06 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I believe the Mavs could be closer to reasonable contention simply by trading their trade pieces (absolutely including THJ) for two average (but defensively capable) NBA starters who expire in 2021 because that would be better than what they have.
Sure, IF the "starters" are the right players, and not just more things for people like you to complain about next season. The former would be great, but the absence of the latter should be the goal. Every move should be an improvement from here on out, and whether you're right or wrong about what some players bring to the team, that's no guarantee that what's available to them through trade will be better. There's a (reasonably good, now that they're a playoff team) chance it will be worse.
IF they can pounce on something that actually gets them to a championship contending level (or at least help, not hinder their growth towards that) then they absolutely should! But, IF those moves aren't there and they make moves just to make moves, they could easily make themselves worse, in the scheme of things. This mentality is how bad moves happen.
My point is that it seems logical, since they have no picks to trade and really only role players to deal, that what's available to them through trade is likely to be less enticing than what's available through Free Agency. This might not be the case, but until you have your team, it would be super dumb to close any doors to the point where they can't be re-opened.
Frankly, I'm glad some of you guys aren't in charge of the team. In summation, different is not synonymous with better.
(09-10-2020, 10:45 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]So everyone seems to be dogpiling Eric Bledsoe, and there are already stories about Milwaukee wanting to trade him for more playmaking and shooting. I think he could qualify as a buy-low candidate at this point with the potential to be a huge steal in the right system that isn't depending on him to run the offense. If only there was a team that might value a tough, versatile, reasonably-paid PG who has won multiple awards for his defense. Hmm...
But what do you give up for him? Since we talk about value contract strategy, you´d have to send out at least one of the negative smaller long-term deal and an expiring. So if they´d be willing to do Wright (or Powell) + Jackson for Bledsoe, I´d be on board with that.
(09-10-2020, 11:05 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]ilwaukee doesn't really have a way to trade for CP3 without sending off Middleton bc CP3's contract is so massive.
Of course they can. Bledsoe (16,875), Hill (9,5), Ilyasova (7), Lopez (5) and Wilson (5) are more than enough contracts to make it work.
(09-10-2020, 11:05 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]If you can show me a legal trade that does some kind of 3-way CP3 deal
Bledsoe from OKC to Dallas can be part of a three team trade or separate trade. Doesn't matter and it is not difficult.
(09-10-2020, 11:14 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]But what do you give up for him? Since we talk about value contract strategy, you´d have to send out at least one of the negative smaller long-term deal and an expiring. So if they´d be willing to do Wright (or Powell) + Jackson for Bledsoe, I´d be on board with that.
Milwaukee is looking to improve, not to get worse...
(09-10-2020, 11:08 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (09-10-2020, 12:06 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I believe the Mavs could be closer to reasonable contention simply by trading their trade pieces (absolutely including THJ) for two average (but defensively capable) NBA starters who expire in 2021 because that would be better than what they have.
Sure, IF the "starters" are the right players, and not just more things for people like you to complain about next season. The former would be great, but the absence of the latter should be the goal. Every move should be an improvement from here on out, and whether you're right or wrong about what some players bring to the team, that's no guarantee that what's available to them through trade will be better. There's a (reasonably good, now that they're a playoff team) chance it will be worse.
IF they can pounce on something that actually gets them to a championship contending level (or at least help, not hinder their growth towards that) then they absolutely should! But, IF those moves aren't there and they make moves just to make moves, they could easily make themselves worse, in the scheme of things. This mentality is how bad moves happen.
My point is that it seems logical, since they have no picks to trade and really only role players to deal, that what's available to them through trade is likely to be less enticing than what's available through Free Agency. This might not be the case, but until you have your team, it would be super dumb to close any doors to the point where they can't be re-opened.
Frankly, I'm super glad some of you guys aren't in charge of the team.
Wow, KL, U mad?
The only conceivable way I see to make the team irretrievably worse via "do something just to do something" as it pertains to my "get two new starters at all costs" approach is by trading for, or somehow signing, a player who is overpaid beyond the summer of 2021. The specific suggestion I made for what I said was the worst-case acceptable scenario was to trade our trade assets (minus #18, as I specifically said, and I don't regard DFS, Curry, and Maxi and not even Bobi as guys you trade for less than a major long-term starting upgrade) for two average starters, which is better than what we have now (hint: two average starters would make up the slack between them for what we lose from THJ on offense), who are expiring in 2021. The only ways that hurts the team long-term is 1) one or more of those guys is someone who permanently nukes the locker room, and I don't think the Mavs would trade for that guy anyway, or 2) Luka gets mad because he is convinced that we would have been better with THJ et al., but that's not the case, or 3) the Mavs can't get any free agents in 2021 despite keeping the powder dry and end up worse the following season - but then that's not because of the 2020 trades we made at all, but because we were never going to get good free agents in the summer of 2021 to begin with. It's the ultimate "no harm no foul" scenario for those insistent on the Mavs having powder in 2021 (as you put it, "what seems to be the Mavs' plan").
What would you do if you were the Mavs' GM?