(09-28-2020, 11:58 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2020, 09:54 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]He is going to get traded.
I wouldn't be too sure. Hayward, while overpaid, is still a pretty freaking good player. And if Boston were to trade him, it'd be pennies on the dollar considering his contract. The only reason why they would trade him is if they were trying to get a replacement and needed the cap space. Is Jerami Grant that dude? Maybe.
Of the teams that would actually trade for Hayward, I think the list is pretty small. He falls into a niche role where he isn't quite good enough now to lead a team to the playoffs on his own. And doesn't have the marketability to sell tickets by himself. But his contract is paying him to be that level of player. That's why I can't see a team like the Knicks trading for Hayward. Only playoff teams should be interested, but probably don't want to match contracts and give up any core rotation pieces.
We know Ainge is ruthless and Hayward only has 1 year left on his deal. They are probably one move away. Hayward is redundant on a team that has Brown, Smart, Kemba and Tatum on it. I could see them moving him for a big, picks or better fitting pieces while they still can.
(09-28-2020, 12:15 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]We know Ainge is ruthless and Hayward only has 1 year left on his deal. They are probably one move away. Hayward is redundant on a team that has Brown, Smart, Kemba and Tatum on it. I could see them moving him for a big, picks or better fitting pieces while they still can.
Just had this thought...
Watch Ainge trade Hayward for Horford.
Horford would be more useful to them than Hayward but he can get a better deal than that I suspect.
(09-28-2020, 12:34 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Horford would be more useful to them than Hayward but he can get a better deal than that I suspect.
The deal would start as Hayward for Horford and Richardson and end with Ainge getting two unprotected firsts and the Philly GM's firstborn when all was said and done.
(09-28-2020, 11:53 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]CALLING OUT @Kammrath PART 2.
You and your computer have had ample time to consider Montrez Harrell's fit in Dallas, but if you've weighed in with your take, I missed it.
WHAT IS YOUR TAKE MY DUDE?
ON/OFF
17-18: +1.2 O, +1.9 D, +3.1 Net
18-19: +3.2 O, -1.6 D, +1.6 Net
19-20: +0.2 O, +0.2 D, +0.4 Net
RPM
17-18: +2.33 O, +0.46 D, +2.79 Net
18-19: +0.34 O, +1.69 D, +2.03 Net
19-20: +2.31 O, +0.03 D, +2.34 Net
PER
17-18: 24.7
18-19: 23.4
19-20: 23.2
He is a consistent positive overall. His PER is GREAT. He will be 27 years old. He is not a great defender IMO by any stretch, but he is team defense solid. Theoretically he is a good fit IF RC is willing to play someone big minutes WHO CANNOT SHOOT THE THREE.
However, he was TERRIBLE in the playoffs, so that freaks me out big time. Yes this year was abnormal and so were his circumstances, but he looked bad and washed up.
Finally, he is a douchebag.
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And for that reason alone basically:
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(09-28-2020, 01:12 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Theoretically he is a good fit IF RC is willing to play someone big minutes WHO CANNOT SHOOT THE THREE.
DP sez hi. He shoots threes, but he shouldn't.
(09-28-2020, 01:16 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2020, 01:12 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Theoretically he is a good fit IF RC is willing to play someone big minutes WHO CANNOT SHOOT THE THREE.
DP sez hi. He shoots threes, but he shouldn't.
DP and Boban are our exceptions. DP does shoot like 90% or something in the month of March or whatever. He usually has like one month every year where he can't miss.
There it is.
Oladipo is the perfect 1 year trial run. Dude is theoretically the perfect off guard to play next Luka. He is great as the ball handler in the PnR and his defense is tenacious.
His serious injury is something for concern. I don't know how many athletic guards ever look the same coming back from a patellar tear. Thats why the 1 year trial is so helpful. Dipo will be motivated to show out to get a big contract. Odds are he'll leave, and the Mavs can still have their space for 2021.
Since him leaving can be a deterrent for many teams, I wonder how strong a package of Jackson+Wright+THJ+18+31 is.
I'd love Oladipo if I knew I was getting pre-injury Oladipo.
Thing is, he wasn't all that good this year. Maybe this was because of the injury, and maybe it was because he was off-ball more, but either way, not a great risk, imo.
And, I didn't think he was much of a defender this year, tbqh.
Small sample size, for sure. I guess I'd be into it if the price was right.
(09-28-2020, 01:57 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder how strong a package of Jackson+Wright+THJ+18+31 is
Take out Wright and Jackson and is probably best we can do outside of adding 2025 FRP. I don't think Indy has any use of our role players like Curry and Kleber, as they have bench full of them. Nevertheless, I would also consider Curry+Kleber+picks.
(09-28-2020, 02:40 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Take out Wright and Jackson and is probably best we can do outside of adding 2025 FRP. I don't think Indy has any use of our role players like Curry and Kleber, as they have bench full of them. Nevertheless, I would also consider Curry+Kleber+picks.
I wouldn't throw in our 2 most valuable role players for 1 year of Oladipo. Especially since we don't know how Dipo will actually be over an 82 game season.
When I made my proposal, I assumed the offers for Oladipo would be relatively light. This is mostly because he suffered a potential career altering injury, where after his return he sitll doesn't look 100%. AND taking into account that he can leave at a moment's notice next free agency. Those kind of factors can scare away a lot of teams. (These factors are also quite close that surrounded the KP trade).
THJ fits Oladipo's role quite seamlessly. He's a solid scorer and can be a 2nd-3rd option for Indy. Wright and Jackson also aren't as much dead weight as we make them out to be (ok Jackson might be). But Indy could use another guard to play off off Brogdon, especially one that can come off the bench and provide good minutes. Jackson is more or less a flier. They also get 2 picks which is more than what most teams would give up for Dipo imo. Finally the contract situation also helps the Pacers. Wright is locked up to a reasonable deal. THJ and Jackson would be expiring. Indy could free up plenty of space.
Didn't mean to rant but my overarching theme is that I think Indy could have use with Wright and THJ. And considering the risks with Dipo, those are some solid return pieces.
I'd love to have Turner. And a chance to give our medical team a year with Oladipo would be nice.
Strategically speaking, I like the idea of Oladipo/Turner for Kleber/Curry/Wright as the basic structure of a deal. Add picks or other sweeteners if you want.
Money-wise, that knocks $13.5mm off of Indy's cap next year. And (if you let Oladipo walk) about $8mm off of the Mavs cap in '21. Win-win.
On the floor, that gives Indy three good and reasonably-priced assets which is not a bad return for two more expensive guys who apparently are on their way out. And Dallas gets a clear frontcourt upgrade (love Maxi, but I just think Turner is better) with a full season to see what Oladipo can do before gearing up for the big '21 free agency.
(09-28-2020, 03:05 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]I'd love to have Turner. And a chance to give our medical team a year with Oladipo would be nice.
Strategically speaking, I like the idea of Oladipo/Turner for Kleber/Curry/Wright as the basic structure of a deal. Add picks or other sweeteners if you want.
Money-wise, that knocks $13.5mm off of Indy's cap next year. And (if you let Oladipo walk) about $8mm off of the Mavs cap in '21. Win-win.
On the floor, that gives Indy three good and reasonably-priced assets which is not a bad return for two more expensive guys who apparently are on their way out. And Dallas gets a clear frontcourt upgrade (love Maxi, but I just think Turner is better) with a full season to see what Oladipo can do before gearing up for the big '21 free agency.
Am I to understand from this that you believe Turner fits ON COURT with KP?
Love the player, but I don't agree with that at all.
(09-28-2020, 03:22 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]I do. Personally I think he's at least as good of a fit on the court as either Kleber or Powell with KP. The spacing, rebounding, and defense between KP and Turner would be excellent. And Carlisle has raved enough about Turner whenever they play Indy that I'm confident he'd find a way to maximize his skills.
But reasonable people can disagree. What don't you like about it?
My question on that would be, is Turner a good perimeter/switching defender? KP is great at patrolling the paint and protecting the rim, not so much at handling the guard switches. I remember a game in the bubble where the opposing team ran up the score (and eventually won the game, iirc) by attacking KP at the PnR switch.
Let's imagine that Indiana would do Tyler's Curry/Kleber/Wright/18/31 trade for Turner/Oladipo. And then that Ainge would accept a KP/Powell for Thies/Brown/Smart/14/26 deal. Draft the Beys if they're available at those points, and then you have
Luka/Smart/Brunson
Oladipo/Smart
Brown/DFS
S. Bey/T. Bey
Turner/Thies/WCS
Looks juicy to me.
Edit: I forgot all about THJ. He could possibly be included as the salary ballast for a trade for Giannis at the deadline. Re-sign Giannis and Oladipo if he's worth it, and roll.