(11-17-2020, 04:41 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2020, 04:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I firmly believe a straight swap of....
THJ+Wright <------> Hayward
Is totally fair and a win-win trade for both sides. No need to complicate it further.
(11-17-2020, 04:38 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]P.S. I would add that I could see the Mavs pushing for #30 to be included because they are giving up two assets AND helping BOS.
Donnie: Danny, sorry I think we were having some phone problems earlier. So as I was saying earlier, how about Hardaway and Delon...*click*...Danny? Are you there? Did we lose you again? Gosh darn it! Someone call our Verizon rep immediately!
Why do you think Ainge has all this leverage in negotiations when Hayward could just walk in free agency to Atlanta in 48 hours and Boston gets nothing?
(11-17-2020, 04:42 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2020, 04:40 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status...9852198917
Long term commitment.
He probably MEANS extend and trade, but the long term commitment part is key. It means those teams are negotiating with Hayward on his NEXT contract. That's the holdup.
Dollars to donuts the Mavs are one of those teams, but that doesn't mean they're the ones who'll offer the deal he accepts.
So what you're saying is, the Mavs could be putting all of their eggs into the Hayward basket, not giving their attention to other stuff because they think this is happening, and be left with nothing. Especially if they drafted for Boston. In other words, this year's Kemba/Olynyk debacle.
(11-17-2020, 04:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is so about which team will give Hayward a deal he likes, and where he wants to sign, and so NOT about who has the best trade offer for Boston.
Logic is not allowed here...
(11-17-2020, 04:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is so about which team will give Hayward a deal he likes, and where he wants to sign, and so NOT about who has the best trade offer for Boston.
I don't think so, at least not to a full extent. All three parties need to be satisfied. Boston will never take a bunch of junk just to make a favour to someone. They will get properly compensated.
(11-17-2020, 04:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is so about which team will give Hayward a deal he likes, and where he wants to sign, and so NOT about who has the best trade offer for Boston.
Seriously, I cannot understand how people do not get that Ainge has ZERO legs to stand on.
(11-17-2020, 04:47 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Boston will never take a bunch of junk just to make a favour to someone
It is the OTHER teams doing BOS a favor....giving them something instead of thin air.
(11-17-2020, 04:35 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2020, 04:32 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Luka you just gotta trust the process. The 4th knee surgery for Porzingis will 100% work. 
You do realize, that no matter what you do, this narrative will stay. If KP will not be able to play, Mavs are more or less screwed as far as contending goes.
You also realize that in 12 months time, you´ll have a much clearer picture on KP´s health.
Did we finally stay healthy in 2020/2021, then you can proceed according to that. Did he not? Then you can go after a big in 2021 FA like Gobert still have a good foundation to build around.
You also still have, whoever you drafted at #18 and #31. I know, I know they are pre-judged crap to PICK for the Mavs, but excellent assets for other teams to TRADE FOR. One of the great logics of this board.
Waiting for the right moment can make a massive difference. Didn´t we just learn that with Powell?
Can´t believe how some are losing their mind 48 hours into the trade window and want to shove all your chips into the middle for Gordon Hayward.
(11-17-2020, 04:47 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]So what you're saying is, the Mavs could be putting all of their eggs into the Hayward basket, not giving their attention to other stuff because they think this is happening, and be left with nothing. Especially if they drafted for Boston. In other words, this year's Kemba/Olynyk debacle.
Umm...no, I don't think so.
I doubt the draft is involved with this one. I think you look at it like a free agent signing, not a trade. It'll be THJ and something small when it comes time to trade, I think.
I don't think the Mavs are incapable of looking at multiple options at once. I have never, ever believed that they missed out on something they liked by not being prepared for it. I think they just don't always like the same stuff fans like, or what fans think is possible for them isn't always actually possible.
(11-17-2020, 04:48 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2020, 04:35 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2020, 04:32 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Luka you just gotta trust the process. The 4th knee surgery for Porzingis will 100% work.
You do realize, that no matter what you do, this narrative will stay. If KP will not be able to play, Mavs are more or less screwed as far as contending goes.
You also realize that in 12 months time, you´ll have a much clearer picture on KP´s health.
Did we finally stay healthy in 2020/2021, then you can proceed according to that. Did he not? Then you can go after a big in 2021 FA like Gobert still have a good foundation to build around.
You also still have, whoever you drafted at #18 and #31. I know, I know they are pre-judged crap to PICK for the Mavs, but excellent assets for other teams to TRADE FOR. One of the great logics of this board.
Waiting for the right moment can make a massive difference. Didn´t we just learn that with Powell?
Can´t believe how some are losing their mind 48 hours into the trade window and want to shove all your chips into the middle for Gordon Hayward.
As I said back on page 234, there are plenty of moves I would prefer to Hayward. I think the discussion is, this looks like what the Mavs are going to do.
(11-17-2020, 04:47 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2020, 04:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is so about which team will give Hayward a deal he likes, and where he wants to sign, and so NOT about who has the best trade offer for Boston.
I don't think so, at least not to a full extent. All three parties need to be satisfied. Boston will never take a bunch of junk just to make a favour to someone. They will get properly compensated.
If a legit NBA playoff rotation player like THJ on a 1 year deal is junk, we need to start looking in the junkpile.
(11-17-2020, 04:46 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you think Ainge has all this leverage in negotiations when Hayward could just walk in free agency to Atlanta in 48 hours and Boston gets nothing?
Who said all the leverage? They will help facilitate a trade to get some value back from Hayward if that's an option. Having him walk away for nothing is going to be preferable to to THJ + negative trade assets (the ideas floated here: Powell or Wright and then asking for 30 back). I can hear Danny's laughter from here in Colorado.
(11-17-2020, 04:47 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2020, 04:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is so about which team will give Hayward a deal he likes, and where he wants to sign, and so NOT about who has the best trade offer for Boston.
I don't think so, at least not to a full extent. All three parties need to be satisfied. Boston will never take a bunch of junk just to make a favour to someone. They will get properly compensated.
You might be right about them refusing to take on Wright's money. Then again, they might WANT Wright. Either way, I'm confident that IF Hayward and Dallas agree on the terms of his next contract, the trade cost will not dissuade them. I think Boston will get something small for doing Hayward this favor, and you can argue that potential use of THJ's expiring contract at the deadline might be viewed as a prize.
(11-17-2020, 04:47 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-17-2020, 04:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is so about which team will give Hayward a deal he likes, and where he wants to sign, and so NOT about who has the best trade offer for Boston.
I don't think so, at least not to a full extent. All three parties need to be satisfied. Boston will never take a bunch of junk just to make a favour to someone. They will get properly compensated.
Boston really doesn't have much power here. If Hayward opts out they get nothing. Why is Hayward doing them favors on the way out the door? If it's a team like the Mavs that don't have the cap space... They need Boston to do a deal. And so maybe they have a little bit of negotiating power. But than the Mavs or another team has the negotiating power of not being interested if it costs too much.
Getting a good contributing player back is what Boston has to want at a minimum. Otherwise they lose him for nothing and get worse.
If they don't get worse... Y'all are really inflating GH value.
(11-17-2020, 04:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the Mavs are incapable of looking at multiple options at once. I have never, ever believed that they missed out on something they liked by not being prepared for it. I think they just don't always like the same stuff fans like, or what fans think is possible for them isn't always actually possible.
We'll agree to disagree on what you said here, my friend. I think last season clearly demonstrated what you say here that you don't believe, and you deduce that something else was true behind the scenes based on trust in the MBT. Still value your opinions.
(11-17-2020, 04:48 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]You also realize that in 12 months time, you´ll have a much clearer picture on KP´s health.
It was not me proposing to trade all our assets for Hayward, I wouldn't do that. As far as the above, I don't agree. Mavs went "all in" with KP. There is no waiting, it makes no sense to lose another season just because of that. Even if we sign Gobert in FA, we are still far from contention as KP is not able to play (this is why we signed Gobert). Boom or bust, no other option here. KP longterm health does not have any effect on Mavs decision making, imho.
If Hayward ends up a Mav via trade, then I think there's no way it's something like THJ/Wright. More like THJ/Curry or Kleber or DFS. That's where I start to get very leery.
This is where the draw of playing with Luka could come in handy. GH will probably have at least a couple of options for his trade destination (should he go that route). Will he be intrigued by the possibility of playing next to Luka?