(10-18-2020, 12:22 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Well given that he´ll be a free agent in six months, it kind of is. Only a stupid team would trade for him without some reassurances. Unless his trade value is so far in the toilet that even a rental is still beneficial.
Not true, it's called risk/reward. The fact that you are unlikely to get reassurances lowers his market value. It doesn't mean Oladipo doesn't have value as a player, it all has to do with his contract situation. Mavs are willing to give up picks on a rental with the idea that they can resign him once they get him on the team. If he doesn't pan out for one reason or another they have max cap space to get another guy.
For that reason though I don't think Mavs give up an asset like a Maxi or Curry in a Dipo move. THJ is already expiring and they are willing to lose picks which are hit or miss anyway.
(10-18-2020, 03:24 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 01:01 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]"I'm a Pacer, man,"
Nice guys say nice things to the media. It doesn't mean they are true, it's business. Basically whole league and all Indiana beat writers are buzzing that he doesn't want to extend (his extension is less than max) and that he is interested for other destination next season. That's why it makes sense for Indy to trade him, unless they think they can go all the way with the current team - which I doubt. Their team is expensive and they probably can't afford his max anyway.
Because he is allegedly not giving any assurances to anyone he will resign, his price is low.
I agree Indy has to trade him or they are just not doing good asset management. They could wait until the TDL if they want to but I think he gets traded this summer. They can still get a good player or pick in return if they trade him, versus letting him walk for nothing. The odds of him resigning are basically zero.
I think his price is lower, not necessarily low. He will net something good, just not anything amazing. He could certainly get a pick or two or a good player.
A couple random trade ideas I have seen for example:
- Bucks send Bledsoe + DiVincenzo for Dipo. Bucks have to make a big move or two this year to try to keep Giannis
- Suns send Oubre (expiring) + other stuff for Dipo
- Any big market team that isn't worried ab whether or not they can resign Dipo (GSW, Clippers, LAL, etc).
Thus I think THJ + a pick or two will be very competitive. Pacers could keep THJ or flip him for something else they need, he certainly has value.
(10-18-2020, 06:54 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]https://nbamath.com/crystalbasketball-ra...r-2019-20/
In other words, outside of KP and Luka, our entire team is high-end bench or low-end starters (Which we all know). They can all be replaced and we shouldn’t be nearly as wed to these guys as many of us are. BTW, these ratings are WITH the lift that comes from playing with Luka. Some thoughts:
THJ: This is the path to cap room in 2021. If he goes this off-season it is either for a higher priced expiring deal or Plan Powder is off and we are making a series of deals to lock down better players. THJ isn’t our problem except that we need another playmaker somewhere and he isn’t it. There is also the concern as to whether his elite volume three point shooting is repeatable.
Powell: It is kind of ridiculous to put Powell in deals right now. Classic Sell-Low. No team is giving up value for Powell until they see him on the court. I like Powell and still think he is negative value in trades. Unless John Wall is coming back, there just isn’t much point in including Powell in deals right now.
Brunson, Wright, DFS, WCS: It is great that our backups are “high-end” backups. Unfortunately, DFS is a starter and Wright makes starter money. A team can probably afford to start one “high-end” backup if it is stronger in its top four. Unfortunately...
Maxi, Curry: These two along with THJ don’t provide enough to qualify for being strong at spots 3 and 4. Basically we have seven guys who would make good 5th/6th man types (eight if Powell is healthy).
It would be a fantastic luxury to be that strong at the top of the bench/5th man if we had that 3rd/4th guy. Until we do, everyone should be fair game. You can find what Maxi and Curry and THJ and DFS and Brunson provide fairly easily. To say that any of these guys is off limits is nuts.
Since Maxi is the one most often tagged as untouchable, I’ll just say that if someone suggested trading for a big with a PER of 13 and a negative On Minus Off who put up 12 points per 36 and a TRB% of 10, we’d not be particularly excited. But since he is OUR PER of 13 and TRB% of 10, he’s great. We are cheering for laundry.
(10-18-2020, 09:00 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 06:54 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]https://nbamath.com/crystalbasketball-ra...r-2019-20/
Powell: It is kind of ridiculous to put Powell in deals right now. Classic Sell-Low. No team is giving up value for Powell until they see him on the court. I like Powell and still think he is negative value in trades. Unless John Wall is coming back, there just isn’t much point in including Powell in deals right now.
Or he does get on the court and makes it even worse. I still think Batum is our one option out of this mess. Other than trading for John Wall.
Powell must be sending Rondo a whole turkey farm every Thanksgiving. He´d be a minimum contractor right now between his Achilles and the pandemic.
Then maybe we got lucky with the premature extension. With Rondo winning a ring, Cuban would probably give Powell $80M right now.
(10-18-2020, 03:24 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Nice guys say nice things to the media. It doesn't mean they are true, it's business.
So you don't think it's true that he's a Pacer? That's an odd take. Esp since he wears the jersey at this moment in time.
(10-18-2020, 09:34 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 03:24 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Nice guys say nice things to the media. It doesn't mean they are true, it's business.
So you don't think it's true that he's a Pacer? That's an odd take. Esp since he wears the jersey at this moment in time.
I think his point is players (and owners and politicians and CEO's and Hollywood types and media members) often say things they aren't 100% sincere about. It is 100% true he's a Pacer. That statement says nothing about his desire to remain one. Kyrie said something similar (actually stronger) at the beginning of his last season in Boston. It didn't keep him from jumping ship when the season ended. Same with Kemba his last season in Charlotte (even though everyone knew otherwise). It is how the game is played.
They really have to play the game. No reason to slap your home town fans in the face for the sake of transparency. And when all is said and done, you may be in the same uniform next season.
(10-18-2020, 09:00 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]In other words, outside of KP and Luka, our entire team is high-end bench or low-end starters (Which we all know). They can all be replaced and we shouldn’t be nearly as wed to these guys as many of us are. BTW, these ratings are WITH the lift that comes from playing with Luka. Some thoughts:
THJ: This is the path to cap room in 2021. If he goes this off-season it is either for a higher priced expiring deal or Plan Powder is off and we are making a series of deals to lock down better players. THJ isn’t our problem except that we need another playmaker somewhere and he isn’t it. There is also the concern as to whether his elite volume three point shooting is repeatable.
Powell: It is kind of ridiculous to put Powell in deals right now. Classic Sell-Low. No team is giving up value for Powell until they see him on the court. I like Powell and still think he is negative value in trades. Unless John Wall is coming back, there just isn’t much point in including Powell in deals right now.
Brunson, Wright, DFS, WCS: It is great that our backups are “high-end” backups. Unfortunately, DFS is a starter and Wright makes starter money. A team can probably afford to start one “high-end” backup if it is stronger in its top four. Unfortunately...
Maxi, Curry: These two along with THJ don’t provide enough to qualify for being strong at spots 3 and 4. Basically we have seven guys who would make good 5th/6th man types (eight if Powell is healthy).
It would be a fantastic luxury to be that strong at the top of the bench/5th man if we had that 3rd/4th guy. Until we do, everyone should be fair game. You can find what Maxi and Curry and THJ and DFS and Brunson provide fairly easily. To say that any of these guys is off limits is nuts.
Since Maxi is the one most often tagged as untouchable, I’ll just say that if someone suggested trading for a big with a PER of 13 and a negative On Minus Off who put up 12 points per 36 and a TRB% of 10, we’d not be particularly excited. But since he is OUR PER of 13 and TRB% of 10, he’s great. We are cheering for laundry.
Holy crap. I've been saying exactly this since the first post of those saying any of these guys are untouchable. Glad to finally see someone else say it.
Almost all of these guys assembled were in some way or another plans B-F of some offseason/trade. Can we not lose sight of that? I'm glad we've built them into good assets, but that's what they are right now until we have the set starters in the rotation.
Whether or not the MBT (after hearing of the history of MBT, I'll use it again since I now know it didn't come from the other site) thinks in this way or not, it's still a true statement...and they SHOULD think in this way.
(10-18-2020, 09:41 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I think his point is players (and owners and politicians and CEO's and Hollywood types and media members) often say things they aren't 100% sincere about. It is 100% true he's a Pacer. That statement says nothing about his desire to remain one. Kyrie said something similar (actually stronger) at the beginning of his last season in Boston. It didn't keep him from jumping ship when the season ended. Same with Kemba his last season in Charlotte (even though everyone knew otherwise). It is how the game is played.
I don't get how I said anything different from that in my statement?
(10-18-2020, 09:13 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]With Rondo winning a ring, Cuban would probably give Powell $80M right now.
Great line!
(10-18-2020, 09:48 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get how I said anything different from that in my statement?
I guess we overlooked the very small font used for your statement and saw just the bolded big font "I am a pacer" stuff. It took me to look three times at your post to actually finally see it
(10-18-2020, 10:07 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 09:48 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get how I said anything different from that in my statement?
I guess we overlooked the very small font used for your statement and saw just the bolded big font "I am a pacer" stuff. It took me to look three times at your post to actually finally see it
Cool, fixed the post for better clarity.
(10-18-2020, 06:54 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]https://nbamath.com/crystalbasketball-ra...r-2019-20/
Unless I'm missing something, this article doesn't do much of a job stating or defending its criteria. Who even were "the evaluators?"
The article comes from a site called NBA math, but the only thing I saw as far as criteria is the following:
"All players—classified by the team for which they last appeared, even if they were since waived or released in some alternative fashion—were graded on the following scale by each evaluator, and ties between players with identical averages were broken by sorting the scores from best to worst and propping up the men who had the highest mark at any point in the top-down progression:
- Shouldn’t Get Minutes
- End-of-Bench Pieces
- Depth Pieces
- High-End Backups
- Low-End Starters
- Solid Starters
- High-End Starters, Non-All-Stars
- All-Star Candidates
- All-NBA Candidates, Non-MVP Candidates
- Lesser MVP Candidates
- MVP Frontrunners
- Best Player in the League (only one player could earn this grade on each ballot)"
Sorry, but to me this reads like they asked several people to give their OPINIONS of each player, based on the "scale" above. It doesn't seem to be routed in anything mathematical at all, as far as I can see. Not sure there's much validity to this, as we don't even know who these "evaluators" are. I mean, one of us could have participated, for all we know.
(10-18-2020, 09:00 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]In other words, outside of KP and Luka, our entire team is high-end bench or low-end starters (Which we all know). They can all be replaced and we shouldn’t be nearly as wed to these guys as many of us are. BTW, these ratings are WITH the lift that comes from playing with Luka. Some thoughts:
THJ: This is the path to cap room in 2021. If he goes this off-season it is either for a higher priced expiring deal or Plan Powder is off and we are making a series of deals to lock down better players. THJ isn’t our problem except that we need another playmaker somewhere and he isn’t it. There is also the concern as to whether his elite volume three point shooting is repeatable.
Powell: It is kind of ridiculous to put Powell in deals right now. Classic Sell-Low. No team is giving up value for Powell until they see him on the court. I like Powell and still think he is negative value in trades. Unless John Wall is coming back, there just isn’t much point in including Powell in deals right now.
Brunson, Wright, DFS, WCS: It is great that our backups are “high-end” backups. Unfortunately, DFS is a starter and Wright makes starter money. A team can probably afford to start one “high-end” backup if it is stronger in its top four. Unfortunately...
Maxi, Curry: These two along with THJ don’t provide enough to qualify for being strong at spots 3 and 4. Basically we have seven guys who would make good 5th/6th man types (eight if Powell is healthy).
It would be a fantastic luxury to be that strong at the top of the bench/5th man if we had that 3rd/4th guy. Until we do, everyone should be fair game. You can find what Maxi and Curry and THJ and DFS and Brunson provide fairly easily. To say that any of these guys is off limits is nuts.
Since Maxi is the one most often tagged as untouchable, I’ll just say that if someone suggested trading for a big with a PER of 13 and a negative On Minus Off who put up 12 points per 36 and a TRB% of 10, we’d not be particularly excited. But since he is OUR PER of 13 and TRB% of 10, he’s great. We are cheering for laundry.
Awesome analysis. Looking at the graphics, we see that:
- Brunson and DP were very inconsistent;
- Wright decreased as the season went on (and his role diminished);
- Maxi and DFS were consistent in their roles;
- Curry was trending upwards until the break;
- KP had a very rough start, but after some time he got to that All-Star level and never looked back;
- Luka Doncic is the real deal.
They haven't done many teams yet, but from the names discussed here, ThadYoung is a high backup and OPJ is a low starter. Can we find solid starters for the Forward position with what we have?
I don't need a chart or algorithm to tell me the Mavs have an MVP, 1 all-star and several low-end starters. I have eyes!
Now if we can just get that third all-star...
(10-18-2020, 11:45 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 09:00 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]In other words, outside of KP and Luka, our entire team is high-end bench or low-end starters (Which we all know). They can all be replaced and we shouldn’t be nearly as wed to these guys as many of us are. BTW, these ratings are WITH the lift that comes from playing with Luka. Some thoughts:
THJ: This is the path to cap room in 2021. If he goes this off-season it is either for a higher priced expiring deal or Plan Powder is off and we are making a series of deals to lock down better players. THJ isn’t our problem except that we need another playmaker somewhere and he isn’t it. There is also the concern as to whether his elite volume three point shooting is repeatable.
Powell: It is kind of ridiculous to put Powell in deals right now. Classic Sell-Low. No team is giving up value for Powell until they see him on the court. I like Powell and still think he is negative value in trades. Unless John Wall is coming back, there just isn’t much point in including Powell in deals right now.
Brunson, Wright, DFS, WCS: It is great that our backups are “high-end” backups. Unfortunately, DFS is a starter and Wright makes starter money. A team can probably afford to start one “high-end” backup if it is stronger in its top four. Unfortunately...
Maxi, Curry: These two along with THJ don’t provide enough to qualify for being strong at spots 3 and 4. Basically we have seven guys who would make good 5th/6th man types (eight if Powell is healthy).
It would be a fantastic luxury to be that strong at the top of the bench/5th man if we had that 3rd/4th guy. Until we do, everyone should be fair game. You can find what Maxi and Curry and THJ and DFS and Brunson provide fairly easily. To say that any of these guys is off limits is nuts.
Since Maxi is the one most often tagged as untouchable, I’ll just say that if someone suggested trading for a big with a PER of 13 and a negative On Minus Off who put up 12 points per 36 and a TRB% of 10, we’d not be particularly excited. But since he is OUR PER of 13 and TRB% of 10, he’s great. We are cheering for laundry.
Awesome analysis. Looking at the graphics, we see that:
- Brunson and DP were very inconsistent;
- Wright decreased as the season went on (and his role diminished);
- Maxi and DFS were consistent in their roles;
- Curry was trending upwards until the break;
- KP had a very rough start, but after some time he got to that All-Star level and never looked back;
- Luka Doncic is the real deal.
They haven't done many teams yet, but from the names discussed here, ThadYoung is a high backup and OPJ is a low starter. Can we find solid starters for the Forward position with what we have?
I was just looking on last years list of players. There were about 120 Players better than 5.0. But checking this list I have a really hard time finding a player who isn´t an oldschool center, untouchable, payed more than 35M, freeagent or someone I really don´t want on the Mavs.
I just can´t find a trade I would like and isn´t total homerish.
(10-18-2020, 09:13 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I still think Batum is our one option out of this mess. Other than trading for John Wall.
Well, Cuban did reportedly say the Mav's are willing to eat salary to get a star. Wall is salary and Beal is a star. So, would you/would they:
Wall/Beal
for
THJ/Powell/Wright/Jackson and Lee signed for 1 year at $12mm
Does Washington want a total reboot. This saves them $16mm in 20/21, but a ton over the lives of the contracts of Wall/Beal since Lee, Jackson and THJ are expiring. If they were willing to let Bertans walk, they could pay VanVleet $20mm this summer and still have max room in 2021. This is almost literally a nuclear winter type deal depending on the temperature in DC at Thanksgiving.
There is video out there showing Wall dunking and making spin moves. Could you turn him into a one year reputation rehab like Chris Paul? Would you deal him afterwards or keep him? Should one team of the other get some draft compensation? That is an unbelievable amount of money to take on for Dallas. Swap 9 for 18 and 37 for 31? Beal takes THJ's place in the lineup. Wall could be on a minutes restriction and still get more minutes than Wright played. He's so ball dominant that he'd probably work better as sixth man than starting next to Luka (poor Brunson). We aren't counting on anything from Jackson and #9 could be used to draft a replacement for Powell (Tobin, Precious or Williams?). Or, if you stay at 18, maybe Jalen Smith?
Do I think this is likely? No. But, it probably best embodies the spirit of what Charania wrote this week. I could actually see Dallas do this as Wall isn't totally dead money. Tons of teams are going to have cap room in 2021 and someone is going to be left without a chair when the music stops. If Wall could hold it together for just a little while, Dallas could sent him somewhere in a year and possibly get some value for him. Washington would be historically, New Jersey Generals bad for a long time. The question is do they want a total do-over or do they want to get real on-court value for Beal and struggle through 3 more years of Wall while doing so.
(10-18-2020, 01:40 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 11:45 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 09:00 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]In other words, outside of KP and Luka, our entire team is high-end bench or low-end starters (Which we all know). They can all be replaced and we shouldn’t be nearly as wed to these guys as many of us are. BTW, these ratings are WITH the lift that comes from playing with Luka. Some thoughts:
THJ: This is the path to cap room in 2021. If he goes this off-season it is either for a higher priced expiring deal or Plan Powder is off and we are making a series of deals to lock down better players. THJ isn’t our problem except that we need another playmaker somewhere and he isn’t it. There is also the concern as to whether his elite volume three point shooting is repeatable.
Powell: It is kind of ridiculous to put Powell in deals right now. Classic Sell-Low. No team is giving up value for Powell until they see him on the court. I like Powell and still think he is negative value in trades. Unless John Wall is coming back, there just isn’t much point in including Powell in deals right now.
Brunson, Wright, DFS, WCS: It is great that our backups are “high-end” backups. Unfortunately, DFS is a starter and Wright makes starter money. A team can probably afford to start one “high-end” backup if it is stronger in its top four. Unfortunately...
Maxi, Curry: These two along with THJ don’t provide enough to qualify for being strong at spots 3 and 4. Basically we have seven guys who would make good 5th/6th man types (eight if Powell is healthy).
It would be a fantastic luxury to be that strong at the top of the bench/5th man if we had that 3rd/4th guy. Until we do, everyone should be fair game. You can find what Maxi and Curry and THJ and DFS and Brunson provide fairly easily. To say that any of these guys is off limits is nuts.
Since Maxi is the one most often tagged as untouchable, I’ll just say that if someone suggested trading for a big with a PER of 13 and a negative On Minus Off who put up 12 points per 36 and a TRB% of 10, we’d not be particularly excited. But since he is OUR PER of 13 and TRB% of 10, he’s great. We are cheering for laundry.
Awesome analysis. Looking at the graphics, we see that:
- Brunson and DP were very inconsistent;
- Wright decreased as the season went on (and his role diminished);
- Maxi and DFS were consistent in their roles;
- Curry was trending upwards until the break;
- KP had a very rough start, but after some time he got to that All-Star level and never looked back;
- Luka Doncic is the real deal.
They haven't done many teams yet, but from the names discussed here, ThadYoung is a high backup and OPJ is a low starter. Can we find solid starters for the Forward position with what we have?
I was just looking on last years list of players. There were about 120 Players better than 5.0. But checking this list I have a really hard time finding a player who isn´t an oldschool center, untouchable, payed more than 35M, freeagent or someone I really don´t want on the Mavs.
I just can´t find a trade I would like and isn´t total homerish.
I went through their multi-year data. They really like Gallinari. Pretty much the entire Bulls team shows well on a multi-season basis (maybe coaching does matter). But, you are right that improvement doesn't come easy. When we put some of our 5th starter/6th man types on the untouchable list then improvement is even harder to come by.
(10-18-2020, 01:26 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 11:43 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]we don't even know who these "evaluators" are.
"[i]Arjun Baradwaj, Tara Biggs, Ryan Blackburn, Jacob Bourne, Tony East, Dan Favale, Adam Fromal, Katie Heindl, Jordan McGillis, Tom Rende, Adam Spinella, Jordan Spyropoulos, Bryan Toporek, Matt Way and Nate Wolf."[/i]
Thanks. Did I miss a clear summation of what criteria was applied to make the evaluations?
(10-18-2020, 01:53 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 09:13 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I still think Batum is our one option out of this mess. Other than trading for John Wall.
Well, Cuban did reportedly say the Mav's are willing to eat salary to get a star. Wall is salary and Beal is a star. So, would you/would they:
Wall/Beal
for
THJ/Powell/Wright/Jackson and Lee signed for 1 year at $12mm
Does Washington want a total reboot. This saves them $16mm in 20/21, but a ton over the lives of the contracts of Wall/Beal since Lee, Jackson and THJ are expiring. If they were willing to let Bertans walk, they could pay VanVleet $20mm this summer and still have max room in 2021. This is almost literally a nuclear winter type deal depending on the temperature in DC at Thanksgiving.
There is video out there showing Wall dunking and making spin moves. Could you turn him into a one year reputation rehab like Chris Paul? Would you deal him afterwards or keep him? Should one team of the other get some draft compensation? That is an unbelievable amount of money to take on for Dallas. Swap 9 for 18 and 37 for 31? Beal takes THJ's place in the lineup. Wall could be on a minutes restriction and still get more minutes than Wright played. He's so ball dominant that he'd probably work better as sixth man than starting next to Luka (poor Brunson). We aren't counting on anything from Jackson and #9 could be used to draft a replacement for Powell (Tobin, Precious or Williams?). Or, if you stay at 18, maybe Jalen Smith?
Do I think this is likely? No. But, it probably best embodies the spirit of what Charania wrote this week. I could actually see Dallas do this as Wall isn't totally dead money. Tons of teams are going to have cap room in 2021 and someone is going to be left without a chair when the music stops. If Wall could hold it together for just a little while, Dallas could sent him somewhere in a year and possibly get some value for him. Washington would be historically, New Jersey Generals bad for a long time. The question is do they want a total do-over or do they want to get real on-court value for Beal and struggle through 3 more years of Wall while doing so.
(10-18-2020, 01:40 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 11:45 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-18-2020, 09:00 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]In other words, outside of KP and Luka, our entire team is high-end bench or low-end starters (Which we all know). They can all be replaced and we shouldn’t be nearly as wed to these guys as many of us are. BTW, these ratings are WITH the lift that comes from playing with Luka. Some thoughts:
THJ: This is the path to cap room in 2021. If he goes this off-season it is either for a higher priced expiring deal or Plan Powder is off and we are making a series of deals to lock down better players. THJ isn’t our problem except that we need another playmaker somewhere and he isn’t it. There is also the concern as to whether his elite volume three point shooting is repeatable.
Powell: It is kind of ridiculous to put Powell in deals right now. Classic Sell-Low. No team is giving up value for Powell until they see him on the court. I like Powell and still think he is negative value in trades. Unless John Wall is coming back, there just isn’t much point in including Powell in deals right now.
Brunson, Wright, DFS, WCS: It is great that our backups are “high-end” backups. Unfortunately, DFS is a starter and Wright makes starter money. A team can probably afford to start one “high-end” backup if it is stronger in its top four. Unfortunately...
Maxi, Curry: These two along with THJ don’t provide enough to qualify for being strong at spots 3 and 4. Basically we have seven guys who would make good 5th/6th man types (eight if Powell is healthy).
It would be a fantastic luxury to be that strong at the top of the bench/5th man if we had that 3rd/4th guy. Until we do, everyone should be fair game. You can find what Maxi and Curry and THJ and DFS and Brunson provide fairly easily. To say that any of these guys is off limits is nuts.
Since Maxi is the one most often tagged as untouchable, I’ll just say that if someone suggested trading for a big with a PER of 13 and a negative On Minus Off who put up 12 points per 36 and a TRB% of 10, we’d not be particularly excited. But since he is OUR PER of 13 and TRB% of 10, he’s great. We are cheering for laundry.
Awesome analysis. Looking at the graphics, we see that:
- Brunson and DP were very inconsistent;
- Wright decreased as the season went on (and his role diminished);
- Maxi and DFS were consistent in their roles;
- Curry was trending upwards until the break;
- KP had a very rough start, but after some time he got to that All-Star level and never looked back;
- Luka Doncic is the real deal.
They haven't done many teams yet, but from the names discussed here, ThadYoung is a high backup and OPJ is a low starter. Can we find solid starters for the Forward position with what we have?
I was just looking on last years list of players. There were about 120 Players better than 5.0. But checking this list I have a really hard time finding a player who isn´t an oldschool center, untouchable, payed more than 35M, freeagent or someone I really don´t want on the Mavs.
I just can´t find a trade I would like and isn´t total homerish.
I went through their multi-year data. They really like Gallinari. Pretty much the entire Bulls team shows well on a multi-season basis (maybe coaching does matter). But, you are right that improvement doesn't come easy. When we put some of our 5th starter/6th man types on the untouchable list then improvement is even harder to come by.
I wouldn't say untouchable, but we have such unique fitting roleplayers that we need a real upgrade to be worth it.
I'll keep looking for draft and MLE and deadlinedeals
(10-18-2020, 02:16 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Did I miss a clear summation of what criteria was applied to make the evaluations?
Just a totally subjective 12 point scale that you already posted.
Just the "eye test" put on a scale by a bunch of people.