(10-15-2020, 12:14 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 11:38 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Am I wrong in remembering you as the ringleader of defending the '11 offseason? If I'm wrong, my humble apologies.
I spent years pointing out how evil the 2011 offseason was.
Sorry!!!!!!!!! So who was the guy who defended it? Was it the Devil Mask guy? We know Kamm was in on it.
(10-14-2020, 10:09 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I very much hope Schroder would be the target - I'd be out on nearly anyone else - but you have to renounce cap holds and Bird rights to sign free agents. In other words, it would be FA and not THJ/Schroder, or THJ/Schroder and not the FA, not both.
A genious move to pull would be to go after 2021 RFA with a low cap hold. Players like White, Trent or Hart comes to mind. Their relatively low cap hold could allow both to sign max FA and keep their rights.
(10-15-2020, 01:59 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 10:09 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I very much hope Schroder would be the target - I'd be out on nearly anyone else - but you have to renounce cap holds and Bird rights to sign free agents. In other words, it would be FA and not THJ/Schroder, or THJ/Schroder and not the FA, not both.
A genious move to pull would be to go after 2021 RFA with a low cap hold. Players like White, Trent or Hart comes to mind. Their relatively low cap hold could allow both to sign max FA and keep their rights.
Okay, good catch. I just assumed that they wouldn't be available for what we have to offer.
(10-15-2020, 02:18 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I just assumed that they wouldn't be available for what we have to offer.
Agree, thats why I call this a genious move. But it seems some teams (Miami, Lakers, Clippers) choose their target and make it happen. No matter how impossible it might look.
(10-15-2020, 12:20 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry!!!!!!!!! So who was the guy who defended it? Was it the Devil Mask guy? We know Kamm was in on it.
Yeah, LemonMaskDevilRascalBrigade
(10-15-2020, 10:28 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...9107309569
Plenty of stuff here. Most directly Mavs related:
- Mavs are willing to take large salaries to acquire a star player. Nothing specific, what kind of players this describes. The expiring ones like Hayward or Lowry or long term ones like Harris? I trust the likes of Griffin and Love are not seen as stars anymore.
- Dallas is also mentioned as expected to show interest in Grant
(10-14-2020, 11:38 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 11:20 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 10:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 10:17 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 10:02 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]One question: If we trade Wright/Jackson/18 for Schroder, do we get his rights in '21 ?
This way, we could clear cap space for a '21 FA and after we sign one (hopefully one of the better ones) we could use the rights to go over the cap and sign Schroder/THJ (if Cuban is willing to pay). Obviously there's a risk he leaves for a better offer while we chase those big fish.
Luka/KP/'21 FA/THJ/Schroder/DFS/Curry/Maxi is a pretty darn good 8-man rotation.
That was another name I considered. Just not sure what OKC will do. The answer is yes, you would have his Bird rights. His cap hold in 21 would be $23 million. You would have to forego those rights in order to sign a max guy and as you say, there is no real reason for Schroder to hang around waiting (see Chandler, Tyson).
Perhaps applies to the second go-round (I can't remember), but it doesn't have anything to do with 2011. He walked because we offered him a one-year deal in order to go after DWill and Dwight in 2012 instead of giving him the multiyear deal that he and all of the Mavs' fans except Fifteenth deserved in order for that team to defend their title - and for Dirk to have the best center fit in the entire league next to him for the next few years.
Wait, what? What am I getting accused of here?
Could someone back this bus up that's on top of me for no reason that I can reckon?
Am I wrong in remembering you as the ringleader of defending the '11 offseason? If I'm wrong, my humble apologies.
(10-14-2020, 11:28 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 11:20 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Could someone back this bus up that's on top of me for no reason that I can reckon?
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(10-14-2020, 10:02 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]trade Wright/Jackson/18 for Schroder
This is one of the ONLY scenarios I support trading #18. Schroder checks a ton of boxes (if he has matured) that are needed on this team.
The only two '21-expiring guys I can think of whom I could stomach in trade for 18 are Schroder and OPJ. I think 18 is indeed necessary to get the latter, especially if they're pretending to try to get good this year.
Edit: add Lowry, Gobert, Fournier, and Oubre. JRich has a player option for '21. Hmmmm.....
I think I agree that Schroder feels like the BPA for 18 that is actually realistic. I think Oubre is another candidate. OPJ would be a challenge bc of salary matching. I don't really see how you get there absent a THJ trade or opt-out. Mavs like THJ a lot more than this board does.
So ya Shroder to me would be one of the better options out there worthy of spending 18 and also would dump Wright's money in the process.
https://theathletic.com/2138259/2020/10/...wont-work/
Nothing really new that we haven't already discussed here. Cato is very down on Oubre and wouldn't trade Wright+Jackson+#18 for him, which is really puzzling for me. I mean, there can't be many better deals lined up for that kind of package? He is also down on Hield.
One proposal gave me an idea. Houston will get a new coach and probably move on from small ball. Their asset chest is also totally empty. What do you think of this proposal from both sides perspective. Who says no?
WCS+Brunson+Jackson+#18 for Covington. Throw in #31 if needed.
Houston gets a cheap starting centre that can run PnR with Harden and a
cheap capable back up PG. Mavs get the wing they need. Kills a lot of 2021 flexibility though
(10-15-2020, 10:43 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 10:28 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...9107309569
Plenty of stuff here. Most directly Mavs related:
- Mavs are willing to take large salaries to acquire a star player. Nothing specific, what kind of players this describes. The expiring ones like Hayward or Lowry or long term ones like Harris? I trust the likes of Griffin and Love are not seen as stars anymore.
- Dallas is also mentioned as expected to show interest in Grant
I buy it, as long as it's understood that the key word is "star." I don't think they close the door on 2021 unless they get a major difference maker.
(10-15-2020, 10:43 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 10:28 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...9107309569
Plenty of stuff here. Most directly Mavs related:
- Mavs are willing to take large salaries to acquire a star player. Nothing specific, what kind of players this describes. The expiring ones like Hayward or Lowry or long term ones like Harris? I trust the likes of Griffin and Love are not seen as stars anymore.
- Dallas is also mentioned as expected to show interest in Grant
Bucks going after Bogdan..
KCP and Rondo opt out...
Warriors interested in D Howard...
Heat going all in on Giannis...
J Grant wanting to return to Denver...
(10-15-2020, 11:07 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]WCS+Brunson+Jackson+#18 for Covington. Throw in #31 if needed.
Houston gets a cheap starting centre that can run PnR with Harden and a cheap capable back up PG. Mavs get the wing they need. Kills a lot of 2021 flexibility though
I would be surprised if Rox would move Covington. I think you would have to include Wright in that deal to make sense for the Mavs. Wright/WCS/18 for Covington. Doing that type of move would still add money in 2021 so the Mavs probably won't do it but I don't think Houston would either.
Only way Rox would be interested is if 18 is worth more in a multi-team trade scenario than Covington for an asset they like better than Covington. I love RoCo, you could play him with DFS but I think that ship has sailed for now.
You know, it might not be time to give up on Grant yet. Just saying. On the surface, you'd think Denver wants to keep him, but he and MPJ both play the 4, pretty much exclusively, and they're already a pretty high payroll team.
I could see them opting to bring Milsap back to remain competitive while they continue to invest in MPJ. A sign and trade for #18 and salary filler, (would wright and Jackson be enough?) might be exactly what they end up wanting, and I'd do that in a heartbeat.
(10-15-2020, 11:45 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I could see them opting to bring Milsap back to remain competitive while they continue to invest in MPJ. A sign and trade for #18 and salary filler, (would wright and Jackson be enough?) might be exactly what they end up wanting, and I'd do that in a heartbeat.
Unless Grant demands salary north of 15 per, I see absolutely no way Denver doesn't resign him. Do you see Grant as a 15+ player? I don't.
(10-15-2020, 11:49 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 11:45 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I could see them opting to bring Milsap back to remain competitive while they continue to invest in MPJ. A sign and trade for #18 and salary filler, (would wright and Jackson be enough?) might be exactly what they end up wanting, and I'd do that in a heartbeat.
Unless Grant demands salary north of 15 per, I see absolutely no way Denver doesn't resign him. Do you see Grant as a 15+ player? I don't.
First of all, I see why you'd say the first thing, but I'm not so sure. Jokic is a 5, and BOTH Grand and MPJ are 4's, and there really isn't a lot of room there for positional flexibility. Every time the subject of Grant has come up on a podcast lately, they start off by saying "do you think he can play the 3?" I don't, personally. Maybe Denver does, but if they don't, I could see even a salary level that you feel is appropriate for Grant seeming steep for them. Seems pretty clear to me that they're in the business of developing MPJ.
As for the $15 mil+ question...I agree he isn't that player to this point. But, he CAN shoot. He CAN handle, even showing the ability to change direction off the bounce and create a bit. He CAN defend, and with a tall, long, strong body. I'm not saying he's definitely worth that contract, but I think it's very possible that he could be, and that a larger role could yield impressive results. It's a risk, for sure.
(10-15-2020, 11:40 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I would be surprised if Rox would move Covington.
It is very simple. They hit a dead end. They have no more assets to trade, no cap, no picks. So if they want to get better, one (or more) of the core pieces would need to be moved. With this trade proposal they get useful cheap players and a pick. Both Brunson and pick can be used as assets in further trades.
Forget Wright, makes absolutely no sense for them. Overpaid back up PG that doesn't shoot. They already have one...
(10-15-2020, 11:56 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]As for the $15 mil+ question...I agree he isn't that player to this point. But, he CAN shoot. He CAN handle, even showing the ability to change direction off the bounce and create a bit. He CAN defend, and with a tall, long, strong body.
Denver was also better when he was sitting, which is puzzling. As for MPJ and Grant overlap. They can both play some minutes at SF. Basically Barton, MPJ and Grant split the SF and PF minutes (with Barton able to play some at SG). Enough minutes for everyone. Denver needs to upgrade the SG position. Harris seems like he can't turn it around playing worse every season and is way overpaid. Denver are in a position to be one piece away. Upgrade SG (they have the assets, I would even consider throwing in MPJ for the right piece) and keep the rest of the team and you have a contender.
One deal that could make a lot of sense for everyone involved is Oubre (plus asset) for Grant.
My what-you-smokin-Scott offseason for the Mavs:
THJ opts out and signs a big new contract with the Knicks or some other stool pigeons.
The Mavs trade Wright and 18 for Gary Trent Jr.
The Mavs trade Curry for JRich.
The Mavs draft either Tiger Bay/Woodard/Reed at 31.
The Mavs SnT Powell (what am I smokin') for Grant.
The Mavs use part of the MLE on Burke.
WCS opts in.
Luka/Brunson
JRich/Burke
Trent/DFS
Grant/Maxi/31
KP/WCS
Should have some flexibility in tradeability next offseason as needed for Giannis. A very competitive, scrappy team this year, quite a bit better than last year IMHO. Also, pretty sure that offseason could be done without THJ walking, with a little more pop on offense.
(10-15-2020, 12:19 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]My what-you-smokin-Scott offseason for the Mavs:
THJ opts out and signs a big new contract with the Knicks or some other stool pigeons.
The Mavs trade Wright and 18 for Gary Trent Jr.
The Mavs trade Curry for JRich.
The Mavs draft either Tiger Bay/Woodard/Reed at 31.
The Mavs SnT Powell (what am I smokin') for Grant.
The Mavs use part of the MLE on Burke.
WCS opts in.
Luka/Brunson
JRich/Burke
Trent/DFS
Grant/Maxi/31
KP/WCS
Should have some flexibility in tradeability next offseason as needed for Giannis. A very competitive, scrappy team this year, quite a bit better than last year IMHO. Also, pretty sure that offseason could be done without THJ walking, with a little more pop on offense.
THJ opting out is even more "what are you smoking" than any of the others.
(10-15-2020, 11:56 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]As for the $15 mil+ question...I agree he isn't that player to this point. But, he CAN shoot. He CAN handle, even showing the ability to change direction off the bounce and create a bit. He CAN defend, and with a tall, long, strong body. I'm not saying he's definitely worth that contract, but I think it's very possible that he could be, and that a larger role could yield impressive results. It's a risk, for sure.
You don't trade a first round pick for a guy on an expiring deal unless you intend to resign him (unless you're the Mavs of course).
So Nuggets will want to keep him if for asset management at a minimum. If he's too redundant with other guys you can trade one of them later.
The 2nd problem is that Mavs don't want to sign onto a 15 mil/yr multi-year deal with a non-star anyway. Most of us believe that would be good asset management but we know the MBT loves star chasing. Grant would get in the way of that.
And for those reasons...."I'm out."