(11-12-2020, 10:56 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]That´s why you need proper evaluation on these younger players.
First three seasons he went from 28% to 32% to 35% in 3pt percentage. 61% to 74% to 80% from FT line.
Could just be a down year, in an upward trajectory, on one of the worst offensive teams in the whole league. Bottom five in almost all categories, while their volume shooter Lavine even shot 45/38/80, dragged up all the overall numbers.
Luka on the other hand elevates the shooting numbers of all the players around. So it´s not unreasonable to think Dunn could be a consistent 35-37% 3pt shooter on the Mavericks.
Not really sure if I buy the team excuse in Dunns case. He was assisted on 96.6% of his made 3s and he only takes 2.2 attempts per game. Higher volume and worse percentages would have made sense. Low volume and even worse percentages is simply not good. Nearly all of his attempts are catch and shoot 3s and he is shooting 26% on them. Last season he was barely any better. 29% on catch and shoot 3s. 30% in 2018. 24% in his rookie season.
According to the tracking data he was wide open on 1.7 of his attempts this season and only made 24%.
Maybe he can make a Marcus Smart like transition but I don´t see it. Smart always had the mechanics he just lacked the consistency.
(11-12-2020, 11:09 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020, 10:09 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]What´s the argument to trade for Patrick Beverley, when I can just sign Kris Dunn?
Identical PG leading advanced metrics last season, only Dunn is five years younger, healthier and didn´t get his number playing with Kawhi and PG13. I bet you can even work out some S&T with Chicago to retain your MLE.
We need veteran leadership. We were the worst clutch team in the league last year, and one of the worst clutch teams in NBA history. A large part of that I think is because we didn't have a vet on the court that could calm the team down and make winning plays.
I think for all the warts Beverly has (and trust me I understand he has a lot), he is a winning player. Last year he helped take 2 games off the fully healthy KD Warriors and made Steph work for his points (8/18, 3/14 games). He is a consistent defensive force and a guy that can win games just by being annoying. One of the best examples of "love him on your team hate him on another".
Dunn has been largely an inconsequential player on really bad teams. He has shown mixed results as a 3pt shooter, and hasn't proved he could be a significant difference maker on a playoff team. For a team like the Mavs that are looking to take the next step, I wouldn't want to rely on 2 unknowns and hope they have career years.
But how is Beverley supposed to improve our clutch offense.
Though to be honest I think this is largely on Carlisle. His offense is predictable to a large extent. We miss Stotts a lot in these late game situations.
Not to hate on your idea too much, but this is your roster for 2021/2022.
I´ll use Capela + 1st = #18 + #31 as the base calculation for Covington. Also assume that we somehow swap Wright+Jackson for Beverley/Oubre with no additional costs. So I´m very generous here. Could easily argue to add Brunson+Kleber (since Houston has no center for example)
Porzingis 32
Beverley 14
Covington 13
Powell 11
Doncic 10
Kleber 9
Curry 8
Brunson 2
That´s it. We have virtually no capspace next year, so our only option is to re-sign THJ and Oubre.
If that team makes an NBA final, they should insert a Luka baby into Dirk´s fadeaway rather than a basketball.
(11-12-2020, 11:22 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status...2113793029
https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1326919768197173250
The Hornets. Damn. So that means Westrbook would become the first player to decline a 47M player option.
Also no wonder nobody wants to trade anything/at all for Oladipo, if that is true. That sounds like one of the most unprofessional things I have ever heard.
(11-12-2020, 10:56 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]That´s why you need proper evaluation on these younger players.
First three seasons he went from 28% to 32% to 35% in 3pt percentage. 61% to 74% to 80% from FT line.
Proper evaluation is that Dunn is horrible from three. Teams are leaving him open intentionally daring him to shoot and he can't convert (at least this was in the two Mavs games). I love him as a defender and he would be great for us on that side of the floor, but I am affraid he would kill the offense as the only way he can contribute is if he has ball in his hands.
PatBev on the other hand is not really a playmaker, more of a 3-D player. I am not really enthusiastic about him either, especially because of his contract, but I think Mavs need a player like that. Might be, Mavs didn't really want to give him 3 year deal in 2019 which was why he stayed with Clippers. So I don't know why they would change their mind now.
(11-12-2020, 11:09 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020, 10:09 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]What´s the argument to trade for Patrick Beverley, when I can just sign Kris Dunn?
Identical PG leading advanced metrics last season, only Dunn is five years younger, healthier and didn´t get his number playing with Kawhi and PG13. I bet you can even work out some S&T with Chicago to retain your MLE.
We need veteran leadership. We were the worst clutch team in the league last year, and one of the worst clutch teams in NBA history. A large part of that I think is because we didn't have a vet on the court that could calm the team down and make winning plays.
I think for all the warts Beverly has (and trust me I understand he has a lot), he is a winning player. Last year he helped take 2 games off the fully healthy KD Warriors and made Steph work for his points (8/18, 3/14 games). He is a consistent defensive force and a guy that can win games just by being annoying. One of the best examples of "love him on your team hate him on another".
Dunn has been largely an inconsequential player on really bad teams. He has shown mixed results as a 3pt shooter, and hasn't proved he could be a significant difference maker on a playoff team. For a team like the Mavs that are looking to take the next step, I wouldn't want to rely on 2 unknowns and hope they have career years.
What if we look at the situation a little differently. If the rumors are true, there is dissent in the Clippers locker room mostly centering around the practice habits of KL/PG. The loudest voice is seemingly Lou Williams and it sounds like they want to get rid of him. I know he's old but he can get buckets, gives you that veteran presence and would be killer in the clutch should teams try to double Luka. Any interest? I'd give 31 for him.
“DeMarcus Cousins continues to recover from the left knee injury that cost him his 2019-20 campaign and may not be ready to play on an opening day roster next month,” Austin Kent of Slam wrote.
“There haven’t been any specific setbacks, Cousins’ agent Jeff Schwartz tells SLAM, but the former All-Star is intent on returning at full strength and in a situation that’s going to be a good fit for him.”
(11-12-2020, 11:50 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]The loudest voice is seemingly Lou Williams and it sounds like they want to get rid of him.
I think the narrative "want to get rid of him" is wrong if you assume they just want to dump him. He is a very good (offensive) player, 6th man of the year candidate, on a very low contract. Plus he doesn't bring long term contract baggage and could probably be resigned for a reasonable deal at his advanced age if we would want to. That being said, he certainly has value that is far bigger than #31 pick on the market. In any case, Clippers would be way more interested in a good player than the pick. Which player would you send to them if Wright, Powell and Jackson are not possible?
(11-12-2020, 12:05 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2020, 11:50 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]The loudest voice is seemingly Lou Williams and it sounds like they want to get rid of him.
I think the narrative "want to get rid of him" is wrong if you assume they just want to dump him. He is a very good (offensive) player, 6th man of the year candidate, on a very low contract. Plus he doesn't bring long term contract baggage and could probably be resigned for a reasonable deal at his advanced age if we would want to. That being said, he certainly has value that is far bigger than #31 pick on the market. In any case, Clippers would be way more interested in a good player than the pick. Which player would you send to them if Wright, Powell and Jackson are not possible?
Mostly agree. If the rumor is true, I do think his value is hurt by the team's desire to get rid of him. That's assuming the rumors are true and I do think there is more than enough evidence of smoke in the locker room coming from some combination of Harrell, Lou, and PatBev. I don't think this would be a two team trade anyway, but they are looing for point guard help. While I doubt they'd be interested in Wright, what if we threw in Brunson who could be a nice backup to Rondo (more rumors). I'd probably not give up much more than 31/Brunson because of Lou's age (35 on Oct 27).
Lou for Jackson/Brunson works straight up but I'm with you that they can return better value elsewhere.
(11-12-2020, 10:10 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]There really isn’t anything special about Oubre that makes this have to be centered around him. Dealing with Phoenix was just a direct route to #10. Also, just because the CP3 deal doesn’t happen, it doesn’t mean Dallas can’t do a deal with Phoenix directly.
I tend to disagree with you here Dan on Oubre not being anything
that special. He is a 24 year old highly athletic forward with great defensive tendencies and with a knack for scoring. He's basically what we all want DFS to be in the best case scenario. He seems to fit exactly what the Mavs are looking for on the wing. His expiring contract in 21' is just a bonus too.
But I think you have a point that Oubre isn't the main target overall. Mavs definitely seem keen on trading up. Whether it be Boston (14+Hayward), Spurs (Demar+Aldridge+11), or Phoenix. I do believe that the Mavs think PHX is the best avenue to move up. The best of both assets among them with Oubre and the #10 pick.
Random: Skip Bayless loves Kelly Oubre.
(11-12-2020, 12:24 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Random: Skip Bayless loves Kelly Oubre.
Hang up the phone Donnie...abort!!!
(11-12-2020, 11:33 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]But how is Beverley supposed to improve our clutch offense.
Though to be honest I think this is largely on Carlisle. His offense is predictable to a large extent. We miss Stotts a lot in these late game situations.
Not to hate on your idea too much, but this is your roster for 2021/2022.
I´ll use Capela + 1st = #18 + #31 as the base calculation for Covington. Also assume that we somehow swap Wright+Jackson for Beverley/Oubre with no additional costs. So I´m very generous here. Could easily argue to add Brunson+Kleber (since Houston has no center for example)
Who said anything about improving our clutch offense? I wouldn't be making a deal for Beverly alone in the hopes of him radically impacting our offense.
Our offense was never the issue. I see Beverly would improve our defense immensely. He would be able to make key stops that would prevent the games from spiraling out of control. And in this supposed hypothetical, we wouldn't just be adding Beverly, but also one of the best defenders in the NBA in Covington and an up and comer in Oubre. Both of which are better offensive players than Delon Wright, Jackson, Kleber (on the perimeter at least).
And while I agree with you the Mavs would be capped. But it wouldn't matter. A Beverly expiring (especially if he proves to be a valuable player) at 14 mil is an easy contract to move. Covington would be even easier to move and the Mavs could even get multiple assets back. Kleber is a valuable asset as well. So is Seth.
So while the Mavs would only have about 10 mil in cap space in 21' with this roster, they could at the drop of a hat create 30mil+ by trading Covington and Seth.
Convington isn't getting moved unless Harden does and they blow it up completely, imo.
If/when that happens, the Mavs either don't have enough to get him, or are uninterested. If they thought so much of him, the time to snag him was last year.
PJ Tucker, on the other hand, seems like he might be available very soon.
(11-12-2020, 12:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Convington isn't getting moved unless Harden does and they blow it up completely, imo.
If/when that happens, the Mavs either don't have enough to get him, or are uninterested. If they thought so much of him, the time to snag him was last year.
PJ Tucker, on the other hand, seems like he might be available very soon.
I'd love Tucker on the team but would give virtually nothing to have him here. He's 35 and unhappy with his contract. Seems like a very short term rental. He also shot Maxi's shoes.
(11-12-2020, 12:48 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]He also shot Maxi's shoes.
I lol'd!
Yeah, I don't think he's a name to watch for the Mavericks, either. But one of the contenders could probably really use him.
Today is a lot slower in terms of Mavs rumors, and that's fine with me, since it's kind of silly for us to get worked up about stuff that can't happen for another 4-6 days.
So KL is trolling ppl with this Rubio nonsense. Mavs aren't doing that. Also this whole DFS/#18 business makes no sense and until I see a Mavs beat guy or national writer put that out there.
Mavs interest in this deal would be Oubre initially, maybe Schroder as well (wouldn't that be amazing)?
If Clippers are involved then maybe PatBev is a guy they want. His 2021 salary is a bit of a problem, even with Wright outgoing.
The other guy if Clips are involved is Shamet. If you could get Shamet for 18 + Wright that would be amazing.