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Let me preface this saying I don't believe this would happen at all, I'm just fantasy trading at this point and trying to figure out if the value to each team is even enough to tweek. Also, I don't believe Hayward is worth the contract he has and that he is probably at this point worth more to another team than he is to Boston. That said, 3 team trade:

Bos out:
Hayward and Smart

Bos in:
THJ, DW, Aaron Gordon, Mavs 2025 first, Orl 2021 first

This move puts players in better positions and possibly bolsters their bench along with their draft assets. A first team core of Walker/Brown/Tatum/Gordon looks pretty good to me, if either they find a good C that fits that group or Tacko improves, they would easily be contenders IMO.

Orl out:
Aaron Gordon, Terrence Ross, 2021 first

Orl in:
Gordon Hayward

As far as why doesn't Orl just trade this package for Hayward and cut Dal out so Bos can keep Smart? Don't have the best answer for that other than Bos would rather have THJ, DW and a pick minus Smart as opposed to Terrence Ross. However, for Orl, this puts a player at the 3 spot that plays the 3 spot allowing for the struggle between Isaac and Gordon to be alleviated. It gives them the hope that Hayward returns to his all star form and helps them get further into the playoffs.

Dal out:
THJ, DW, 2025 first

Dal in:
Smart and Ross

Dallas gets their bulldog defending starter who is another playmaker on the court to facilitate the offense to give Luka some plays off. Ross is a vet bench wing that we can bolster our vet presence and wing depth with. He could also be one of those RC reclamation projects.

I think this is close to fair value for each team.

(09-07-2020, 01:25 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Hayward and Smart

I can stop reading here, Boston will never trade Smart  He is their heart and soul.

(09-07-2020, 12:23 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-07-2020, 12:06 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Giannis is a good enough dude that if he decides to leave, I bet he facilitates a sign and trade so the Bucks get some assets back.

Not sure...If he wants to leave he will probably tell them but a sign and trade would hurt his future team. Makes no sense to leave one team just to end up in a worse situation.

So that's the point in not going for plan powder but get useful contracts. 
If we could offer the Bucks some expirings and some picks and a young player, they should take it, if Giannis would tell them he wants to join us. 
We would have 3 stars and could keep our roleplayers 
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I'm a big fan of Jevon Carter. Ever since I saw him play against us, I followed the guy. 

His had all the defensive accolades in college basketball:

• 2x NABC Defensive Player of the Year (2017, 2018) *Past winners Duncan, Shane Battier, Thabeet, Faried, AD, Oladipo
  
• Naismith Defensvie Player of the Year (2018)
  
• 2x Lefty Dreissell Award (2017)
  
• 4x Big 12 All-Defensive Team (2015-2018)   *Always been defensive minded
  
• Record Steals leader for WVU
  

@"DanSchwartzman", I look up his numbers in College and in Pros, your very
right, his numbers do go up when he plays more.  Phoenix is defintely crowded in PG with Ricky Rubio, Cameron Payne, and Jalen Lecque. And with the number 10 draft pick, its projected that they will pick this boards sought out player, Tyrese Haliburton. Phoenix picks Haliburton, and they would really make Jevon Carter expendable. If Burke and Barea leaves, I would defintely make him my priority. Having Curry, Brunson, Barea, and Burke seem redundant in there skillset, heck its redundant to type so many B's. A point guard that stops all the Lou Williams, Kyrie Irvings and Ja Morants would be great.

So what if he can't shoot twos, its the threes that the Mavs would put him to shoot. His defense converts to steals/missed shots, steals to points, especially guarding against the opponents starting playmaker.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMzdkU-6W4M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=158O2g0mhLs

Video Description: he is one of the only players in the league who picks up full court hes a goddamn bulldog hes been an underdog throughtout his life where he wasnt highly recruited but he has built a reputation for being a hardworker…. and his mindset known as the “treadmill mentality” is the reason he will be around this league for years to come

His got a RFA this year of almost $2mill, Mavs should immediately offer him twice that.

Would you do Tomáš Satoranský for Delon Wright + #31?

I think Satoransky would fit the Mavs better and has less guaranteed money in 2021. He's pretty crafty. 3% went down in Chicago but I would expect it to go back up were he to find himself on the Mavs.

Ignoring better two-way players like Oladipo/Holiday or 3&D players there are a few high volume/usage guards that might be available for trade or in free agency.


Terry Rozier:            18/4/4    42/40/87
Derrick Rose:           18/2/6    49/31/87
Dennis Schröder:     19/4/4    47/39/84
CJ McCollum:           22/4/4    45/38/76
Spencer Dinwindie:  21/4/7    41/31/78
Caris Levert:            19/4/4    43/36/71
Zach Lavine:           26/5/4     45/38/80
Fred VanVleet:         18/4/7    41/39/85

If you had to pick one of these guys. Who would it be? Do the Mavs have the assets to trade for him? What kind of contract would you give him in free agency?

Dinwiddie would be a guy Mavs could target in 2021.

LaVert isn't available. FVV will get a huge deal. Not of these look like near term targets for the Mavs.

(09-07-2020, 06:01 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Would you do Tomáš Satoranský for Delon Wright + #31?

I am ALL ABOUT Tomas.

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(09-07-2020, 06:25 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]If you had to pick one of these guys. Who would it be?

I think Schroder would be unstoppable as a 6th man in RC's offense. Would LOVE to have him.

Even if he's not the defender we're looking for, he's an interesting name to keep an eye on who could definitely qualify as a physical offensive bulldog. He's been tied to Dallas before, and note that his contract is only partially guaranteed ($4mm) in '21. 

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...2557922306

(09-07-2020, 08:20 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I think Schroder would be unstoppable as a 6th man in RC's offense. Would LOVE to have him.

I was a big fan of Schroder's when he was in the draft, and was hopeful Dallas would take him. I was told by one of the more active Mavericks beat writers (at the time) that they had serious issues with something in his character and weren't considering him. I couldn't get him to reveal specifics though, and I have no idea if they still feel that way. 

And no, it wasn't anyone from "the 75 member staff" so it was information I trusted at the time.

(09-07-2020, 09:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I was a big fan of Schroder's when he was in the draft, and was hopeful Dallas would take him. I was told by one of the more active Mavericks beat writers (at the time) that they had serious issues with something in his character and weren't considering him. I couldn't get him to reveal specifics though, and I have no idea if they still feel that way. 

And no, it wasn't anyone from "the 75 member staff" so it was information I trusted at the time.

Ditto. I was SHOCKED when the Mavs didn't pursue him because from his tape he was a screaming "take" to me. I also remember hearing whispers about character issues. Who knows if anything has changed on that front. I just think he would be DOMINANT in the JJB role.

Would Cory Joseph be a target for the Delon trade? What would we need to get, for taking the higher salary?

(09-08-2020, 12:46 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Would Cory Joseph be a target for the Delon trade? What would we need to get, for taking the higher salary?

Teams look at "higher salary" in a broader context than just the next season.  If both players were on the final year of their contracts, your question would be a good one.  But Wright's contract has more total dollars guaranteed ($17.5mm vs $15mm for Joseph).   Add to that the context of 2021 cap room (Joseph is only guaranteed $2.4mm in 21) and suddenly what appears to be the "higher salary" (in 20 only) has some attractiveness to it in the context of creating an extra $6mm in room in 21.

I don't think Joseph is any better than Wright.  In fact, he may be worse.  But, in a Plan Powder world I suspect Dallas would be the one giving up additional assets to make a one for one swap.  Good job finding another non guaranteed contract for 21.

How about this one:

DAL in: '23 DAL 1st.
DAL out: '20 DAL 1st (18), '20 GSW 2nd (31).

NYK in: '20 DAL 1st (18), '20 GSW 2nd (31).
NYK out: '23 DAL 1st.

NYK gives DAL it's top-10 protected '23 pick back (probably in th 20's with Doncic/KP) while receiving two picks in this draft to start building their core/find a gem (I know they have #8, #27 and #38, but they can use them in trades to move up or for CP3 for example).

Dallas gets the '23 1st back and after the '21 draft (big '21 Free Agency) can trade '22, '24 and '26 1st while swaping the '23 and '25 1st giving them ammo to find a 3rd star to play with Luka/KP.

(09-08-2020, 08:20 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]How about this one:

DAL in: '23 DAL 1st.
DAL out: '20 DAL 1st (18), '20 GSW 2nd (31).

NYK in: '20 DAL 1st (18), '20 GSW 2nd (31).
NYK out: '23 DAL 1st.

NYK gives DAL it's top-10 protected '23 pick back (probably in th 20's with Doncic/KP) while receiving two picks in this draft to start building their core/find a gem (I know they have #8, #27 and #38, but they can use them in trades to move up or for CP3 for example).

Dallas gets the '23 1st back and after the '21 draft (big '21 Free Agency) can trade '22, '24 and '26 1st while swaping the '23 and '25 1st giving them ammo to find a 3rd star to play with Luka/KP.

I like that idea a lot. I would go one step further. 

DAL trades: Wright+18+31 to NYK for Randle+'23 DAL 1st. Mavs get their big bully type dude that has been an offensive nightmare off the bench his last 3 years, AND get to remove their shackles on trades. Maybe NYK would be dumb enough to throw 38 in there too.

I don't know who comes up with this crappy Mavs ideas. Trade for Bev will not happen as both sides had their chance in 2019 free agency and didn't take it. And we are certainly not giving up Kleber for him. 

Now, the deal under Denver is something completely different. #22, Morris and Diop for Derrick White. I guess #18, #31 and Jackson tops that offer.

But no, idiots think we are willing to give up Kleber and #18 for Aldridge...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2907...y-nba-team

(09-08-2020, 11:43 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know who comes up with this crappy Mavs ideas. Trade for Bev will not happen as both sides had their chance in 2019 free agency and didn't take it. And we are certainly not giving up Kleber for him. 

Now, the deal under Denver is something completely different. #22, Morris and Diop for Derrick White. I guess #18, #31 and Jackson tops that offer.

But no, idiots think we are willing to give up Kleber and #18 for Aldridge...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2907...y-nba-team

BleacherReport is akin to TMZ of the sports world. They literally make crap up with no sources just because it sounds good. 

They have had no insight on the Mavs for years, and have zero inkling on realistic paths they've been trying to take. So i'm not surprised they can't formulate a basic trade for each team that isn't NYK, LAL, LAC, or GSW.

(09-08-2020, 08:47 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-08-2020, 08:20 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]How about this one:

DAL in: '23 DAL 1st.
DAL out: '20 DAL 1st (18), '20 GSW 2nd (31).

NYK in: '20 DAL 1st (18), '20 GSW 2nd (31).
NYK out: '23 DAL 1st.

NYK gives DAL it's top-10 protected '23 pick back (probably in th 20's with Doncic/KP) while receiving two picks in this draft to start building their core/find a gem (I know they have #8, #27 and #38, but they can use them in trades to move up or for CP3 for example).

Dallas gets the '23 1st back and after the '21 draft (big '21 Free Agency) can trade '22, '24 and '26 1st while swaping the '23 and '25 1st giving them ammo to find a 3rd star to play with Luka/KP.

I like that idea a lot. I would go one step further. 

DAL trades: Wright+18+31 to NYK for Randle+'23 DAL 1st. Mavs get their big bully type dude that has been an offensive nightmare off the bench his last 3 years, AND get to remove their shackles on trades. Maybe NYK would be dumb enough to throw 38 in there too.

This would mean we didn't have picked in three years- last, this and next and then give them all away again. Whom are we targeting then?

(09-08-2020, 11:43 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know who comes up with this crappy Mavs ideas. Trade for Bev will not happen as both sides had their chance in 2019 free agency and didn't take it. And we are certainly not giving up Kleber for him. 

Now, the deal under Denver is something completely different. #22, Morris and Diop for Derrick White. I guess #18, #31 and Jackson tops that offer.

But no, idiots think we are willing to give up Kleber and #18 for Aldridge...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2907...y-nba-team

What if we thought of LaMarcus as a cap clearing measure and combine a couple of the ideas above.  I think White would be a great fit here.  I would do #18 for him and his RFA rights and small cap hold in 21.  One year of Aldridge would be nice and if that part of the deal were Wright, Jackson and Maxi, I could live with it.  SA gets a good player (Maxi) and Dallas wipes out $17mm in cap commitments for 21.  

SA can then combine their pick and 18 to move up and get another high end starter.  Maxi would be a great fit next to Poeltl.  Think of it this way, White is probably more or at least equal value to Maxi and you are giving up #18 to get rid of $17mm of cap commitments.  More palatable?

(09-08-2020, 01:02 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-08-2020, 11:43 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know who comes up with this crappy Mavs ideas. Trade for Bev will not happen as both sides had their chance in 2019 free agency and didn't take it. And we are certainly not giving up Kleber for him.

Now, the deal under Denver is something completely different. #22, Morris and Diop for Derrick White. I guess #18, #31 and Jackson tops that offer.

But no, idiots think we are willing to give up Kleber and #18 for Aldridge...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2907...y-nba-team

What if we thought of LaMarcus as a cap clearing measure and combine a couple of the ideas above. I think White would be a great fit here. I would do #18 for him and his RFA rights and small cap hold in 21. One year of Aldridge would be nice and if that part of the deal were Wright, Jackson and Maxi, I could live with it. SA gets a good player (Maxi) and Dallas wipes out $17mm in cap commitments for 21.

SA can then combine their pick and 18 to move up and get another high end starter. Maxi would be a great fit next to Poeltl. Think of it this way, White is probably more or at least equal value to Maxi and you are giving up #18 to get rid of $17mm of cap commitments. More palatable?

I'd say yes, but it's the Spurs. They would find a way to make the trade a win-win-win for them. Like their pick being the next Kawhi or something.