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I wish Mavs would give Jae a multi-year deal to steal him away but they probably won't.

(11-19-2020, 10:27 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I wish Mavs would give Jae a multi-year deal to steal him away but they probably won't.

Man...they might! I think the MLE is pretty much EXACTLY what he's worth, and I bet they'll want him. The question is, will a cap space team want him too much? I wouldn't want him at $15 million, but for the MLE? Sign me up. At that point, we could hope for not only an improved Mavs defense, but possibly even a good one.

I like Jae a lot. I also really like Ibaka's fit on this team. He is a good KP backup for when he is on the shelf. You still get defense, shot-blocking and outside shooting with Ibaka out there. I really hope Mavs will go for multi-year deals with one of these guys.

Millsap would be great but I think it would be hard to get him for MLE and he is getting old so I am not sure I want to do a multi-year on him.

Wright can be dumped now or in the future so I think 2021 books can still look pretty good with a multi-year MLE player, largely in part to Curry's money coming off the books. J Rich has a player option in 2021 but I don't think anyone believes he will pick that up so he's really a FA then.

(11-19-2020, 08:52 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ][b]Pick: 18[/b]
Team: Mavericks | Player: Josh [b]Green[/b] | 6-6 wing | 215 | 19, freshman | Arizona

Vecenie’s scouting report: Green is a monster defender on the ball due to his athleticism and lateral quickness. He’s tenacious and switchable due to his 6-foot-6 frame and 6-10 wingspan. I love him on that end. Offensively, he can pass it and make decisions, but he’s not a ballhandler. It’ll all come down to where the jumper settles in. That remains unclear. If he’s a 36 percent shooter like he was this season, he’ll be a starter.


Ranking: No. 22
Hollinger’s team fit: Green feels like a bit of a reach here, a theoretical 3-and-D guy that hasn’t shown nearly enough of the “3” and has been inconsistent on the “D.” He has good size and quickness for a wing but needs to refine his dribble game and finishing. I thought there were better fits available here.

I would have picked… Vecenie: Saddiq Bey| Hollinger: Saddiq Bey

[b]Pick: 31[/b]
Team: Mavericks (from GSW) | Player: [b]Tyrell Terry[/b] | 6-1 guard | 170 | 19, freshman | Stanford

Vecenie’s scouting report: I really like Terry, and think he has a chance to be a major part of some winning teams. He’s a genuinely elite level shooter, a terrific decision-maker who processes the game at a really high level, and a very high-level competitor. I don’t think it’s an accident that Stanford got a lot better last year by essentially replacing 2019 No. 32 overall pick with Terry. I’m just not necessarily convinced he’s going to be able to handle being a top offensive initiator in the NBA, which creates some questions at his size.
Rank: No. 20

Hollinger’s team fit: The Mavs need shooting around , so this pick is such a logical fit that I can ignore the fact that I had a few other players rated higher. Terry is limited, but he’s young and can really shoot. Playing next to Luka will subtract his worst weakness, playing on the ball.

I would have picked… Vecenie: Terry | Hollinger: Terry

[b]Pick: 36[/b]
Team: Mavericks (from PHI via NY) | Player: [b]Tyler Bey[/b] | 6-7 wing | 210 | 22 | Colorado

Vecenie’s scouting report: This will be fun, because Hollinger and I have very disparate views on Bey. He’s an elite level quick twitch athlete with great length. But I just don’t love anything else he does. I thought he was an overrated defender who got driven on-ball more often than you’d like to see for a guy whose whole skill package is defense. Offensively, he’s a poor decision-maker and can’t shoot. I had a two-way grade on him due to athleticism, but I don’t love the skills and feel.
Rank: No. 55

Hollinger’s team fit: Unlike Sam I had a late first-round grade on Bey, he’s a high-wire athlete who can defend multiple positions but needs to refine his shooting and make better decisions at both ends. I still think Paul Reed is better, but Bey has a chance to be an impact player off the bench

I would have picked… Vecenie: Tre Jones, or 15 other guys | Hollinger: Paul Reed

[b]Dallas, [/b]who had a great night. As mentioned above, they picked up the exact kind of guys that they needed to pair with Doncic and Porzingis. Richardson and 18th overall pick [b]Josh Green[/b] are tenacious wing defenders who will take all of the pressure off of Doncic and allow him to do what he does best on defense, which is roam on the help side while helping off of worse players. Richardson especially will be great in this offseason, because instead of having to take on some lead halfcourt responsibilities, he’ll get to do what he does best in Dallas, which is spot up, attack the occasional closeout, and make good decisions while also making opposing offensive players’ lives miserable. He’s just a very good role player who got miscast too often in Philadelphia.

The team also picked up another tenacious defender in [b]Tyler Bey[/b] at No. 36. Despite Bey winning the Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year over Green, I actually like Green’s upside on that end a bit more. He’s less of a freelancer, and much more positional solid and stout than Bey is. Green is an on-ball menace, Bey is a havoc-wreaker away from it who gets deflections and touches on the ball. I’m a bit lower on Bey, but it’s a real fit if he can ever figure out how to shoot it. But speaking of shooting it, one of the wilder things to happen was how [b]Tyrell Terry[/b]‘s night ended up. I actually mocked Terry to Philadelphia at No. 21 because I think the guy he most resembles in the NBA is Seth Curry. So instead of having to wait for Terry to get comfortable in the NBA, the Sixers just went out and acquired the real Seth Curry. And to replace Curry, Dallas ended up taking Terry at No. 31. Given that I think two-way wings like Richardson are harder to find than smaller elite shooters like Terry, I think Dallas got the better end of that exchange. Still, it was a pretty good bit of business to get a potential steal in Terry at No. 31.

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Vecenie adds a little more to the Dallas draft review today.

https://theathletic.com/2208000/2020/11/...nba-draft/

MBT views Hardaway and Powell as keepers integral to team chemistry. They aren’t going anywhere this offseason

Several posts saying we don’t need to worry about defense now. Totally disagree and think the rest of our moves will have a focus on defense as well

Until Luka signs his max i believe we are out on trading any future picks

At this point the Thad Young for Wright trade makes sense. That would leave the MLE for Crowder/Jones Jr

Luka/Brunson/Terry
Hardaway/Green
Richardson/Jones Jr
DFS/Thad Young/Powell
KP/Maxi/Boban

Bey to the G league
Lots of flexibility and combos with a lineup like this

(11-19-2020, 03:05 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]How does Gallo piss me off?

Weren't you the one in the draft thread who was melting down about trading 18 for Gallo?

I like the Thad Young for Wright idea.

(11-19-2020, 11:39 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2020, 03:05 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]How does Gallo piss me off? 

Weren't you the one in the draft thread who was melting down about trading 18 for Gallo?

Melting down?  No.  Would that have been a foolish trade?  Yes.  I'd say that about using 18 on any expiring player, especially if they are north of 30 years old.

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BTW - for those who like DJJ, it sounds like he'll be a UFA.

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(11-19-2020, 11:34 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Several posts saying we don’t need to worry about defense now. Totally disagree and think the rest of our moves will have a focus on defense as well

I just don't want to crowd out the development space for Green/Bey. Defensive help and rotational help at the 4/5 is still a need. If you can't grab Wood: Wouldn't mind a trade for Tucker. Wouldn't mind giving Millsap a 2-year deal. Or both and flip one at the TDL.

Today's the day (6 hours left) for options; 1 day exactly until free agency.

(11-19-2020, 10:25 AM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]If the Mavs had given up 36 and Curry for Richardson, I would still be happy.  Considering all the crazy cost of trades around the league, the Sixer/Mavs trade seems so logical and helps both teams where they need it.  Refreshing.

Yeah I was already saying goodbyes to #31, and then we got a pick. That´s the best stretch the MBT has had in the last decade.

The Mavs have done so well, I´m already locking in Wright+Powell+Green to Sacramento for Bogdanovic, Hailburton and Woodward.

Hopefully the Klay Thompson news keeps us conservative with KP. Bring him in mid January. Zero back to backs. Limited minutes on nights he plays. We are a totally different team without him in the playoffs. Can’t let that happen again

Just load up on 3/4 types and play with one “true” big. It should look like: Maxi gets the lion share of minutes at the 5, KP gets backup level minutes, and Boban/Powell take the rest

(11-19-2020, 10:20 AM)JamesConway Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/stat...26627?s=20

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Interesting.

Late in the radio coverage last night, Followill offered 3 free agent names to keep an eye on. Gallinari, Bogdanovic, and Crowder.

Another name nobody has mentioned for a big is Thon Maker. He might not be a sexy name, or star, but he’s a good shot blocker, young player that doesn’t get brought up much.  I think they need to look for a pf/c for the roster spot now. We all know that KP is unhealthy & can’t be relied on 24/7. Dwight Powell is a good person, but he’s not a rim protector. Boban is good in the paint, but he isn’t going to block shots. I’m just hoping they get a center on here who can play defense, protect the rim. I like the picks & trade. I hope they pan out! We know how Rick is with young players! I can’t wait for the season to begin!

More random thoughts...

So many ways the Mavs could go. I think that any major move that brings in guy number 3 (see how Omahen worked off of my copyright   ) is going to require a trade with the use of future draft compensation. 

As others have pointed out, and in contradiction to Jason Terry (the poster), no rookie of worth has ever not signed the initial max deal when their rookie contract ended. I thought Hayward was the exception, but that was when his first max expired. Ergo, "waiting until Luka signs his max" is not a thing that would prevent trading future firsts. 

THJ's decision today has a lot to do with whether we operate as an over-the-cap team or under-the-cap. I presume he opts in. Unless the MBT are abject fools willing to bid against themselves, I think that his next deal is going to be far smaller, averaging or starting at $13 mil max. His NYK experience exposed him as not being worth the big money. I'm not a fan of his long-term fit here, *at all.* Inadequate creator, not much defense. Doesn't fit in a Luka starting lineup, and too expensive (in the future as well as now) to bring off the bench. I'm fine with him being here next year, but I think he needs to be sent out now or at the trade deadline for guy number 3. We'll see if I'm wrong. 

Re: Donnie's "both sides of the ball" thing - I think that could mean 1) guy number three is an all-offense guy like Gallo or Hield, or 2) a two-way player. I think that Gallo is the one guy out there, with the possible exception of Wood as has been pointed out, who doesn't necessitate THJ being sent out, but I also think that he's a piece that puts you in a position of "still not done yet" for 2021 - still need that secondary creator next to Luka. I think the two best possibly-realistic (non-FVV) options are Bogi and Wood (I am OUT on Hayward due to money and health, unless it's a straight-up for THJ on both guy's PO years, with either no extension or an extension at around half his current salary). I know the whole thing with Wood - "70 game sample size" - but the Mavs also know him well. Wood would obviously start the year as the starting five and then replace DFS at the four when KP returns. I think that that's a legit starting lineup, for sure, but still not a finished team because of Richardson being not quite good enough to be that second playmaker (Brunson? Burke? Tyrell?). In the case of Bogi, if THJ isn't sent out, then dang, I guess Luka is playing the four until we can send out THJ for a big wing or unless Tiger is ready to be our starting four.

I guess my overall evaluation would be, no, the Mavs aren't likely to have their contending lineup in place this year, but as long as they don't stand pat on Friday, they will have made a tremendous leap toward that from last season.

I think Jae stays in Miami. I've thought so all along. Miami has plenty of cap room for him.

(11-19-2020, 12:28 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2020, 10:20 AM)JamesConway Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/stat...26627?s=20

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Interesting.

Late in the radio coverage last night, Followill offered 3 free agent names to keep an eye on. Gallinari, Bogdanovic, and Crowder.

Ibaka fits the criteria of both sides of the ball too. averaged 15 ppg on 38% shooting from 3. 
He's a one trick defensive guy but at a position of need. The question is if he will be available at the MLE. 
I'm skeptical. 

But Millsap or Ibaka at the MLE would be a huge get.

(11-19-2020, 12:35 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I think Jae stays in Miami. I've thought so all along. Miami has plenty of cap room for him.

Depends on whether they're ready to give up on Giannis or not. Crowder isn't signing for one year. If he wants, I bet he can grab an overpay in ATL, Charlotte or NY (any of them). I would like to hope that he'd prefer an MLE deal for a contender, and he'll have many suitors for that. 

But yeah, if Miami is ready to offer the right deal I think he goes back.

(11-19-2020, 12:38 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Ibaka fits the criteria of both sides of the ball too. averaged 15 ppg on 38% shooting from 3. 
He's a one trick defensive guy but at a position of need. The question is if he will be available at the MLE. 
I'm skeptical. 

But Millsap or Ibaka at the MLE would be a huge get.

Rumors say Ibaka to the Nets.

(11-19-2020, 12:35 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I think Jae stays in Miami. I've thought so all along. Miami has plenty of cap room for him.

What everyone seems to be leaving out with Crowder is that he seemed very butthurt with RC by the time he was traded. I doubt he'd want to come back here, and only for a deal well over the MLE (i.e. way over market value) if he did.