(10-15-2020, 06:12 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 05:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 05:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]But then I notice that there are rumors about 4-5 teams wanting to trade out of this draft altogether
I am for the Mavs trading #18 and then buying another pick like #26 or 30. I do not think there is much difference in this draft from 10-50.
Do teams still buy late round picks?
I don't know about "teams," but Cuban was asked that very question about this very draft and said, "We're buyers." After that, and with the selection of decent players like Tiger, Woodard, Reed, et al. who will likely be available there, I would actually be mad if we traded away 18 and then didn't buy one of those picks. Why not buy a pick and draft and stash Bolmaro, if nothing else? Or even Aleksej if he's still available? I would be slightly disappointed if we kept 18 and still didn't do that.
(10-15-2020, 05:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 05:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]But then I notice that there are rumors about 4-5 teams wanting to trade out of this draft altogether
I am for the Mavs trading #18 and then buying another pick like #26 or 30. I do not think there is much difference in this draft from 10-50.
In a sense, there isn't much difference between 10-50, but a couple of those players could end up being stars, several could become serviceable rotation players by year three, and at least half of them will end up being useless. Scouting, scouting, scouting, scouting, scouting.
(10-15-2020, 06:12 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Remember we had pick 13 in 2013 and passed on Giannis because he was 3 years away and Mavs wanted to git gud now (Dwight Howard)! They traded down for Shane Larkin (#18 btw!)
I didn't have Giannis on my radar that year, but I was pissed the Mavs didn't get Schroder, Gobert, or Dieng, as I was singing all of their praises.
I am not exaggerating when I say that I think the scouting of this board over the years has often been better than the Mavs actual choices on draft day.
(10-15-2020, 06:12 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 05:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 05:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]But then I notice that there are rumors about 4-5 teams wanting to trade out of this draft altogether
I am for the Mavs trading #18 and then buying another pick like #26 or 30. I do not think there is much difference in this draft from 10-50.
Do teams still buy late round picks?
(10-15-2020, 05:39 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I think 18 CAN become a good player next to Luka. But I think the Mavs will have an easier time finding a player that IS just as good if not better than whatever we think 18 can be. And we can find that player right now. In the short term. And the Mavs can afford this type of roster building because Luka is on his rookie contract and the Mavs have more space than they ever will with Luka on the roster. We should take advantage of this unique situation.
I think so too. Also Mavs sadly don't value these mid-round picks. Remember we had pick 13 in 2013 and passed on Giannis because he was 3 years away and Mavs wanted to git gud now (Dwight Howard)! They traded down for Shane Larkin (#18 btw!) and the most overrated player on DB.com boards of all time, superstar Ricky Ledo.
It´s funny though.
Everybody thinks of 29 year old Facundo Campazzo as this untapped potential, when 28 year old Shane Larkin is a superstar in European basketball. Last season he led the EuroLeague in scoring, while shooting 56/51/90. If Larkinovic had no priors everybody would be all over him to come to the NBA.
More curious case though is Ricky Ledo. He´s bouncing around from team to team, though it seems a bit unclear why, since his raw numbers are actually pretty good, whether it´s EuroLeague, Turkey, Italy or China. He must be Euro Westbrook. In Italy they released him after eight games as the league´s leading scorer. He must be a selfish pain in the a**.
Ah, Ricky Ledo. How convinced we all were that he was the missing piece. The one I had total (misplaced) faith in was Antoine Wright.
By Saturday afternoon we will know for sure if WCS and THJ opt in or not...
THJ most likely...WCS not for sure...
(10-16-2020, 12:59 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]By Saturday afternoon we will know for sure if WCS and THJ opt in or not...
That is great, it will be known before draft, giving more options
(10-16-2020, 12:59 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]By Saturday afternoon we will know for sure if WCS and THJ opt in or not...
THJ most likely...WCS not for sure...
I don't believe that date has been determined/announced yet. The 10/17 date was back when the drafted was slated for October. With the draft set for 11/18, I imagine the final player option date will be 11/19 or 11/20. Here is what John Hollinger wrote on the topic a couple of days ago:
"Along with that (the cap number), the league will need to rewrite all of the player options, team options and partial guarantee dates in every NBA contract for 2020-21 to reflect the revised offseason calendar. This was already done once, shortly before the resumption of play in the bubble, and it shouldn’t be too difficult to repeat. With the draft likely pegged at Nov. 18 (see below), the league just needs to nail down the date free agency begins and then it can get to work on the options."
This time I tried to have a bit of longer term perspective when thinking about next moves. If we keep our assets this offseason (flip Wright for someone meh expiring), we can have max cap space next one. What we also can have is Brunson, #18 pick, #31 pick, 2025 FRP and 2027 FRP. Now this becomes a respectable asset chest. We won't have contracts to match top salaries, but Powell and assets could bring us into the Covington, LaVine and similar discussions.
(10-14-2020, 11:38 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 11:20 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 10:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 10:17 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 10:02 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]One question: If we trade Wright/Jackson/18 for Schroder, do we get his rights in '21 ?
This way, we could clear cap space for a '21 FA and after we sign one (hopefully one of the better ones) we could use the rights to go over the cap and sign Schroder/THJ (if Cuban is willing to pay). Obviously there's a risk he leaves for a better offer while we chase those big fish.
Luka/KP/'21 FA/THJ/Schroder/DFS/Curry/Maxi is a pretty darn good 8-man rotation.
That was another name I considered. Just not sure what OKC will do. The answer is yes, you would have his Bird rights. His cap hold in 21 would be $23 million. You would have to forego those rights in order to sign a max guy and as you say, there is no real reason for Schroder to hang around waiting (see Chandler, Tyson).
Perhaps applies to the second go-round (I can't remember), but it doesn't have anything to do with 2011. He walked because we offered him a one-year deal in order to go after DWill and Dwight in 2012 instead of giving him the multiyear deal that he and all of the Mavs' fans except Fifteenth deserved in order for that team to defend their title - and for Dirk to have the best center fit in the entire league next to him for the next few years.
Wait, what? What am I getting accused of here?
Could someone back this bus up that's on top of me for no reason that I can reckon?
Am I wrong in remembering you as the ringleader of defending the '11 offseason? If I'm wrong, my humble apologies.
(10-14-2020, 11:28 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 11:20 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Could someone back this bus up that's on top of me for no reason that I can reckon?
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(10-14-2020, 10:02 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]trade Wright/Jackson/18 for Schroder
This is one of the ONLY scenarios I support trading #18. Schroder checks a ton of boxes (if he has matured) that are needed on this team.
The only two '21-expiring guys I can think of whom I could stomach in trade for 18 are Schroder and OPJ. I think 18 is indeed necessary to get the latter, especially if they're pretending to try to get good this year.
Edit: add Lowry, Gobert, Fournier, and Oubre. JRich has a player option for '21. Hmmmm.....
Why? It´s still only a rental. You can´t pay Schroeder or OPJ on top of a great FA.
You basically trade Schroeder/THJ re-sign for 2021 All-Star and #18 pick. This makes no sense. What you want to do is either keep #18 or trade for somebody with a long-term contract below $10M/p.a.
That Schroeder would knock Brunson out of the rotation only makes it worse.
Rentals below All-Star level are a total no-go to me. I´d rather use the free agent market to sign a top player at a bargain prize.
I´m not convinced Millsap will even require the full MLE. Maybe you can split the MLE between him and Kris Dunn. That´s a move, I´d love to see. Don´t overthink this off-season.
Doncic/Brunson/Wright
Dunn/THJ/Curry
DFS/18th pick/31st pick
Millsap/Kleber/Powell
Porzingis/WCS/Boban
Sorry Mr. Jackson, I am for real, didn´t mean to forget you again, I apologize...
If your FO is good, they´ll know by March whether the team is good enough to compete this season and whether they have an honest shot at the superstar FAs. If not, then the deceased Spurs will surely find any offer for DeRozan or Aldridge enticing at that point.
So more than anything I don´t feel the timeline. No need to rush decisions right now.
(10-16-2020, 08:07 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Why?
In order to get to max cap space you need to get rid of two 2021 contracts. Preferably Wright and another one. You can trade Wright for a meh expiring player in 2020. You can use pick to dump Wright for cap space in 2021 (no one will just give you cap space for a player like Wright). Or you can go for a proven player, that would make us better in 2020. Because it is important to be better in 2020, to compete as attractive destination with the likes of Miami, Toronto, perhaps hyped New Orleans and others.
Schroeder doesn't kick Brunson out of rotation, it basically leaves him where he is - a back up PG. Schroeder would be starting next to Luka while Curry, Brunson would come of the bench.
If max free agent pipe dream doesn't work, we still have Schroeders bird rights.
(10-16-2020, 08:07 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I´m not convinced Millsap will even require the full MLE.
I think both Dunn and Millsap will get a deal starting at least at 8 mil per season. The only question is the duration of the contract.
Predicition: Mavs trade for Danny Green. Expiring contract and a few years ago he was a great defender. That´s all the MBT is looking for.
(10-16-2020, 08:21 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Predicition: Mavs trade for Danny Green. Expiring contract and a few years ago he was a great defender. That´s all the MBT is looking for.
Hm, even if Mavs would want it, I doubt Lakers would (unless it is a three team trade). Green is the one contract Lakers have to facilitate a bigger trade.
Perhaps I see this more as a TDL deal - sort of dump bad 2021 money deal. Assuming of course Green will be traded from Lakers first.
Maybe Cleveland would go for Wright for Exum's expiring contact?
(10-15-2020, 08:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, Ricky Ledo. How convinced we all were that he was the missing piece. The one I had total (misplaced) faith in was Antoine Wright.
He was great in NBA 2K14, really anchored my team.
(10-16-2020, 08:37 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe Cleveland would go for Wright for Exum's expiring contact?
I think it's possible that Mavs could send Wright for something like that + a future 2nd round pick or something just to add a little bit more incentive. Wright is a good enough player that a team like Cleveland might take him "for free" without a lot more compensation.
(10-16-2020, 08:17 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Schroeder doesn't kick Brunson out of rotation, it basically leaves him where he is - a back up PG. Schroeder would be starting next to Luka while Curry, Brunson would come of the bench.
If max free agent pipe dream doesn't work, we still have Schroeders bird rights.
I think it's premature to know how the rotations would go until we know the final roster and even then who knows. Schroder could be effective in the starting lineup or off the bench. We know the Mavs like THJ next to Luka. THJ could be the SF in the lineup or Schroder could play off the bench. If he does come off the bench he likely does so to a large extent at the expense of Brunson's minutes. There are injuries of course which will effect lineups on any given night. Brunson as your 5th or 6th guard is pretty good.
I wish we had prime Monta Ellis as 6th man
Manta is a lot better when he can play with Dirk...
so we'd have to bring Dirk back too
(10-16-2020, 09:45 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]I wish we had prime Monta Ellis as 6th man
Gross. Dwight Powell is WAY better, tbqfhwy