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(11-02-2020, 12:43 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Why? Miami needed to create more than 30 mio in caproom to sign Butler and they had no problem. Same for the Warriors when they signed KD.

Iguodala was a core player in GS, still playing very well and not all that overpaid, if memory serves. They STILL had to include a very lightly protected first rounder to move him. How many of those will the Mavs have to trade next year? 

Miami signed and traded Josh Richardson for Butler, a player who Philly had convinced themselves was more trouble than he was worth. Which up and coming young player do the Mavs have who will be of equal or close value to a max free agent? 

I'm not arguing your GENERAL point, but it's EXTREMELY naive to think anyone would be stupid enough to take Harris without compensation. Thanks be to God our Lord, I'm pretty sure that includes Dallas Mavericks.

If you find yourself arguing in favor of a Tobias Harris trade by saying things like "they can move him later if they need to" you have officially lost perspective on the off-season. 

Harris does not make them a contender. He's a nice player, but he's one of the last truly awful contracts in the NBA and a time when they're in the middle of negotiating a new CBA because of a very shaky revenue situation league wide, that's just not a move you consider. Not to mention the fact that your best players are 21 and 26. Literally, a better outcome would be Donnie's phone service getting cut off so that he can't make one, single move.
(11-02-2020, 12:43 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-02-2020, 12:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-02-2020, 12:08 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Signing or trading for longterm contracts doesn´t mean that they won´t go after Giannis next year. 

Harris would mean they couldn't do that, and so many other things.

Why? Miami needed to create more than 30 mio in caproom to sign Butler and they had no problem. Same for the Warriors when they signed KD.
Would it require some assets to get rid of him if he doesn´t improve compared to the last season? Yes. Is it impossible? No.
Let´s say Harris has a solid season and scores 18-20ppg/ shoots 38-40% from 3. That´s basically what he did in 2018 and 2019. He still has negative value because that´s not worth a max deal but add a few picks or good value contracts (Maxi, Seth, DFS) and the Mavs could easily do it.

Personally I am not a fan of Harris as a player and just used him as an example for any longterm deal that might be available. Whatever Donnie and Cuban did in the last few years has changed the way we think. Based on Donnies/Marks history they won´t do it but we as the fans can at least acknowledge that other options exist and teams don´t need a max slot to sign a big free agent as long as they are creative and smart.

IIRC, neither team had to clear actual capspace in those scenarios (at least not on a large scale).  Mia did a SnT for butler (sending out richardson/Whiteside at least), and GSW benefitted from a massive spike in the salary cap to fit in Durant.  I believe that they had to dump Bogut (to us!).   So, if your point is that we can acquire players, and then have to rely on other teams taking those players for us to get GA from the Bucks?  I think the Bucks are less likely to play ball there.  Dunno.  He is one of a couple of players that will be available in the exact time frame that we need, and I want the Mavs to be ready with open arms (Luka/KP's arms), salary space, and a jersey with his name on it.  I'd also like to have some nice role players here to fill out the roster so that he sees that he is coming to a team, not a skeleton project.  This is what Luka's rookie deal is buying us.  Let's Go Mavs!!!

(11-02-2020, 12:52 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-02-2020, 12:43 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Why? Miami needed to create more than 30 mio in caproom to sign Butler and they had no problem. Same for the Warriors when they signed KD.

Iguodala was a core player in GS, still playing very well and not all that overpaid, if memory serves. They STILL had to include a very lightly protected first rounder to move him. How many of those will the Mavs have to trade next year? 

Miami signed and traded Josh Richardson for Butler, a player who Philly had convinced themselves was more trouble than he was worth. Which up and coming young player do the Mavs have who will be of equal or close value to a max free agent? 

I'm not arguing your GENERAL point, but it's EXTREMELY naive to think anyone would be stupid enough to take Harris without compensation. Thanks be to God our Lord, I'm pretty sure that includes Dallas Mavericks.

If you find yourself arguing in favor of a Tobias Harris trade by saying things like "they can move him later if they need to" you have officially lost perspective on the off-season. 

Harris does not make them a contender. He's a nice player, but he's one of the last truly awful contracts in the NBA and a time when they're in the middle of negotiating a new CBA because of a very shaky revenue situation league wide, that's just not a move you consider. Not to mention the fact that your best players are 21 and 26. Literally, a better outcome would be Donnie's phone service getting cut off so that he can't make one, single move.

They didn't even have to trade Iggy for Durant... he was on that team with him.  They traded him when they lost Durant to avoid the hard cap of the Russell SnT.
(11-02-2020, 12:58 AM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]This is what Luka's rookie deal is buying us.

Yes. This is NOT about Giannis. It's about being ahead of schedule to the point where you have this short window of time to calmly make SMART decisions. Be ready to pounce on something great, but resist the urge to do anything STUPID. That's why last off-season was GREAT. Not good, but GREAT. They made no irrevocable mistakes, but did pick up Curry and Boban, both of whom could potentially open interesting doors for them. 

I can't stress enough how badly I want them to avoid doing anything remotely like what they did when Nash/Dirk were young. That was CRIMINAL.
(11-02-2020, 12:52 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-02-2020, 12:43 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Why? Miami needed to create more than 30 mio in caproom to sign Butler and they had no problem. Same for the Warriors when they signed KD.


I'm not arguing your GENERAL point, but it's EXTREMELY naive to think anyone would be stupid enough to take Harris without compensation. Thanks be to God our Lord, I'm pretty sure that includes Dallas Mavericks.

Meaning that the Mavs could potentially add assets this summer. I don´t want Harris because I am not as high on him as a player as others but I am all for smart asset management. Of course the Mavs don´t trade for Harris contract without compensation.

I would be tempted to do something like this...

Harris + Thybulle (or Milton) + 21 + future 1st --> Wright + Powell + Hardaway
(11-02-2020, 12:58 AM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]They didn't even have to trade Iggy for Durant... he was on that team with him.  They traded him when they lost Durant to avoid the hard cap of the Russell SnT.

Yeah, that's right, sorry. They were able to get Durant because of the freak cap spike, which is the exact thing the league is preoccupied with avoiding right now by keeping the cap healthy during these next two down years. 

Point is (from both of us) they damn sure didn't have to move someone like Tobias Harris, and if they had it wouldn't have been "easy."

(11-02-2020, 01:04 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Harris + Thybulle (or Milton) + 21 + future 1st --> Wright + Powell + Hardaway

I would need soooooooo much more to save Philly's asses like that. Like, an obscene amount.

I'm literally hanging up on them the second they tell me Ben Simmons isn't available (which of course, he is not).
Agreed...

I won't say that the Mavs couldn't get creative and add a player with salary past this upcoming season, but it would really surprise me.  With the exception of it having a corresponding move of someone with salary next season to make it at least neutral.  They are not going to get caught out on this... no way.
He's not a fit in Dallas, obviously, but I feel like Horford is the guy Philly can (and will) move this off season. I think he was such a great player for so long and was played so outside of his skillset this year in Philly that a team who needs a veteran center might bite...LAC, Boston, GS...someone like that.
(11-02-2020, 01:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]He's not a fit in Dallas, obviously, but I feel like Horford is the guy Philly can (and will) move this off season. I think he was such a great player for so long and was played so outside of his skillset this year in Philly that a team who needs a veteran center might bite...LAC, Boston, GS...someone like that.

If they can.  His contract is bad and he is older.  He is certainly the worse fit of the players there.  Harris is actually an excellent complement to Embid - I don't know why they would move him unless they had to move one and couldn't move Horford.
(11-02-2020, 01:05 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I would need soooooooo much more to save Philly's asses like that. Like, an obscene amount.
I'm literally hanging up on them the second they tell me Ben Simmons isn't available (which of course, he is not).


I think value wise one first round pick for every single year of his contract and taking back the Mavs smaller longterm contracts is reasonable. Thybull has 1st round value. Meaning that I would ask for 21 and at least 1-2 future picks in addition.
(11-01-2020, 07:36 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/01/n...hird-star/

Another version of a Harris trade.  No Korki or 2nd round pick.  Give up DP, DFS and DW along with 18 and 31.  Mavs would keep THJ...

I liked the other one better.

I don't see how the Mavs are the ones that are expected to give up draft compensation for Harris. He is not a positive trade value guy. His contract is arguably top 5 worst in the league. Even if he's productive. 113 mil the next 3 years is basically Lebron money. I'd be damned if the Mavs made a trade for that guy while giving up their draft assets. Harris isn't THE difference maker the Mavs need. He'd be great to have as a finishing piece after all the moves have been made, not prior.
(11-02-2020, 02:23 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-01-2020, 07:36 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/01/n...hird-star/

Another version of a Harris trade.  No Korki or 2nd round pick.  Give up DP, DFS and DW along with 18 and 31.  Mavs would keep THJ...

I liked the other one better.

I don't see how the Mavs are the ones that are expected to give up draft compensation for Harris. He is not a positive trade value guy. His contract is arguably top 5 worst in the league. Even if he's productive. 113 mil the next 3 years is basically Lebron money. I'd be damned if the Mavs made a trade for that guy while giving up their draft assets. Harris isn't THE difference maker the Mavs need. He'd be great to have as a finishing piece after all the moves have been made, not prior.

Exactly. You'd need future first round compensation just to help you get off Harris' contract should the opportunity arise.

All the Harris talk is worse than the OPJ movement before he got traded to Chicago.
(11-01-2020, 09:10 PM)EmbragueDirk Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-01-2020, 09:02 PM)AsesinoIzquierda Wrote: [ -> ]Por favor, se lo ruego a todos. Haz que la terrible pesadilla de Tobías se detenga.
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(11-01-2020, 09:55 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-01-2020, 03:28 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-01-2020, 02:41 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]¿Cuál podría ser el impacto de una temporada baja apresurada? ¿Menos ofertas para RFA? La Agencia Libre terminará durante los dos días que el dinero esté inmovilizado. ¿Qué hay de la agencia libre sin restricciones?


Me parece poco probable que los jugadores firmen contratos por debajo de los del mercado. Siempre existe la opción de renunciar con su equipo actual. Mira a Gallo por ejemplo. Digamos que los equipos de tanques no buscan ficharlo por mucho dinero. Pero estoy bastante seguro de que puede renunciar con OKC en el rango de 12-14. Esto puede ser SnT o una operación posterior. OKC consideraría dicho contrato como un activo. Quizás Gallo es un mal ejemplo, simplemente no puedo verlo firmar por MLE. Si lo hace, no puedo verlo firmar con tal descuento fuera de un contendiente claro.

Creo que tipos como Gasol, Whiteside, Teague, Favors, Bazemore, Thompson, Harkless y Milsap no verán más que MLE en esta temporada baja.

Los buenos jugadores como Davis, Ingram, Ibaka, Dragic, Morris, Clarkson, Grant, FVV, Harris, Bertans, Harrell, Beasley y Bogdanovic obtendrán más que las ofertas de MLE de sus equipos actuales.

(11-01-2020, 03:00 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Me pregunto qué iteraciones de firmas e intercambios hay que podrían ser atractivas para SAC para obtener a Bogdan alrededor de $ 15 millones. Ciertamente SAC estaría interesado en convertir a Bogdan en algo positivo para ellos ...


Creo que Sacramento tendrá que decidir primero entre Bogdan y Hield. Si está intercambiando Hield, pagar 15 por cada Bogi no es terrible para ellos. Si se quedan con Hield, me gustaría recibir la mejor oferta de SnT Bogi.

Yo diría que Wright + Jackson + # 18 es una oferta justa desde la perspectiva de Dallas, pero dudo que sea de Sacramento. Sin embargo, veo los siguientes problemas:
1. ¿Es Bogi realmente lo suficientemente bueno como para ser nuestra solución a largo plazo en SG? Preferiría un mejor defensor. Tampoco voy a cambiar THJ por Bogi.
2. Sacramento ya tiene un PG de respaldo sobrepagado en Joseph, quien es similar a Wright para nosotros.
3. Las necesidades de Sacramento están en los puestos SG y SF. SF no es válido para nosotros, no estamos negociando DFS. 

Esto significa que podemos usar a Wright y motivarlos con selecciones para que lo lleven. Alternativamente, podríamos usar Curry (sería útil para ellos), relleno de salario y una selección menor. Bogi se comería los minutos de Curry de todos modos. 

Lo mejor sería utilizar Curry + Wright + pick. Este movimiento haría que nuestro límite fuera neutral, por lo que todavía estamos a solo un movimiento de Powell del espacio máximo en el límite en 2021. Necesitamos incluir la selección debido al contrato de Wright. Quizás 31 serían suficientes.

Este comercio funciona en términos de valor para mí. Pero estamos cediendo activos para actualizar nuestro respaldo SG. 
Bogi no puede jugar SF. Luka, THJ, Bogi es aún más terrible defensivamente que Curry, THJ, Luka. THJ como mesa de trabajo no funcionó. 
Tenemos necesidades específicas: Bogi no los ayuda, no es lo suficientemente importante como para que valga la pena el esfuerzo y no sea un activo suficiente. Los

RFA tienden a recibir un pago excesivo si cambian de equipo. Con astucia o en términos de salario.
draft predates free agency ... can't offer pick # 18 in Bogdanovic's deal
(11-02-2020, 03:09 AM)Mike lorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-01-2020, 09:10 PM)EmbragueDirk Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-01-2020, 09:02 PM)AsesinoIzquierda Wrote: [ -> ]Por favor, se lo ruego a todos. Haz que la terrible pesadilla de Tobías se detenga.
https://media.giphy.com/media/UQCjgZ0KTI.../giphy.gif

(11-01-2020, 09:55 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-01-2020, 03:28 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-01-2020, 02:41 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]¿Cuál podría ser el impacto de una temporada baja apresurada? ¿Menos ofertas para RFA? La Agencia Libre terminará durante los dos días que el dinero esté inmovilizado. ¿Qué hay de la agencia libre sin restricciones?


Me parece poco probable que los jugadores firmen contratos por debajo de los del mercado. Siempre existe la opción de renunciar con su equipo actual. Mira a Gallo por ejemplo. Digamos que los equipos de tanques no buscan ficharlo por mucho dinero. Pero estoy bastante seguro de que puede renunciar con OKC en el rango de 12-14. Esto puede ser SnT o una operación posterior. OKC consideraría dicho contrato como un activo. Quizás Gallo es un mal ejemplo, simplemente no puedo verlo firmar por MLE. Si lo hace, no puedo verlo firmar con tal descuento fuera de un contendiente claro.

Creo que tipos como Gasol, Whiteside, Teague, Favors, Bazemore, Thompson, Harkless y Milsap no verán más que MLE en esta temporada baja.

Los buenos jugadores como Davis, Ingram, Ibaka, Dragic, Morris, Clarkson, Grant, FVV, Harris, Bertans, Harrell, Beasley y Bogdanovic obtendrán más que las ofertas de MLE de sus equipos actuales.

(11-01-2020, 03:00 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Me pregunto qué iteraciones de firmas e intercambios hay que podrían ser atractivas para SAC para obtener a Bogdan alrededor de $ 15 millones. Ciertamente SAC estaría interesado en convertir a Bogdan en algo positivo para ellos ...


Creo que Sacramento tendrá que decidir primero entre Bogdan y Hield. Si está intercambiando Hield, pagar 15 por cada Bogi no es terrible para ellos. Si se quedan con Hield, me gustaría recibir la mejor oferta de SnT Bogi.

Yo diría que Wright + Jackson + # 18 es una oferta justa desde la perspectiva de Dallas, pero dudo que sea de Sacramento. Sin embargo, veo los siguientes problemas:
1. ¿Es Bogi realmente lo suficientemente bueno como para ser nuestra solución a largo plazo en SG? Preferiría un mejor defensor. Tampoco voy a cambiar THJ por Bogi.
2. Sacramento ya tiene un PG de respaldo sobrepagado en Joseph, quien es similar a Wright para nosotros.
3. Las necesidades de Sacramento están en los puestos SG y SF. SF no es válido para nosotros, no estamos negociando DFS. 

Esto significa que podemos usar a Wright y motivarlos con selecciones para que lo lleven. Alternativamente, podríamos usar Curry (sería útil para ellos), relleno de salario y una selección menor. Bogi se comería los minutos de Curry de todos modos. 

Lo mejor sería utilizar Curry + Wright + pick. Este movimiento haría que nuestro límite fuera neutral, por lo que todavía estamos a solo un movimiento de Powell del espacio máximo en el límite en 2021. Necesitamos incluir la selección debido al contrato de Wright. Quizás 31 serían suficientes.

Este comercio funciona en términos de valor para mí. Pero estamos cediendo activos para actualizar nuestro respaldo SG. 
Bogi no puede jugar SF. Luka, THJ, Bogi es aún más terrible defensivamente que Curry, THJ, Luka. THJ como mesa de trabajo no funcionó. 
Tenemos necesidades específicas: Bogi no los ayuda, no es lo suficientemente importante como para que valga la pena el esfuerzo y no sea un activo suficiente. Los

RFA tienden a recibir un pago excesivo si cambian de equipo. Con astucia o en términos de salario.
draft predates free agency ... can't offer pick # 18 in Bogdanovic's deal

The trade would be Bogi - Wright + Curry + future second round pick.
And I doubt the Kings do this. He is RFA.

I would like it, if we needed a SG starter. But we need a SF or PG.
(11-01-2020, 11:48 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see a scenario currently being discussed that would prompt the Mavs to voluntarily remove themselves from the possibility of signing GA outright. 


It is quite easy. What if Mavs know GA is not available? What if they know, he intends to stay in Milwaukee no matter what. We can only guess about GA intentions, but Mavs of course have much more insider information on that. This assumption was what started the Harris discussion from my side. 

I see a lot of guys here saying what they wouldn't do. But I don't see much of a plan other than let's sign GA in 2021. Doing nothing this year and then failing to sign GA would basically mean a disaster. If we don't have any info about GA, it is still better to jump to Harris and deal with dumping his contract later, if GA decides to come. If he doesn't, we would at least have Harris. Notions that his contract is untradeable are silly, especially from the theoretical aspect that Mavs just traded for him. 

Other than GA, you basically have Hayward, Oladipo or Harris as best options in next two years. Perhaps Jrue. Why wait for 2021 for any of them if they are available this year? Here you also have to take positives and negatives into account. In Harris we assume we are dumping our bad salary and get some assets back. We keep our best role players. Trading for Jrue (I don't think he will reject his PO - he will either resign with NOLA or be traded and resigned) would take our best assets. So which outcome out of these two really makes us better more? 

Let me conclude same way as yesterday. If Mavs trade for Harris, I can understand the logic and I think it greatly improves us, especially with assets coming our way. It beats doing nothing and I am sure GA status is in all of their scenarios.
(11-02-2020, 03:47 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-01-2020, 11:48 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see a scenario currently being discussed that would prompt the Mavs to voluntarily remove themselves from the possibility of signing GA outright. 


It is quite easy. What if Mavs know GA is not available? What if they know, he intends to stay in Milwaukee no matter what. We can only guess about GA intentions, but Mavs of course have much more insider information on that. This assumption was what started the Harris discussion from my side. 

I see a lot of guys here saying what they wouldn't do. But I don't see much of a plan other than let's sign GA in 2021. Doing nothing this year and then failing to sign GA would basically mean a disaster. If we don't have any info about GA, it is still better to jump to Harris and deal with dumping his contract later, if GA decides to come. If he doesn't, we would at least have Harris. Notions that his contract is untradeable are silly, especially from the theoretical aspect that Mavs just traded for him. 

Other than GA, you basically have Hayward, Oladipo or Harris as best options in next two years. Perhaps Jrue. Why wait for 2021 for any of them if they are available this year? Here you also have to take positives and negatives into account. In Harris we assume we are dumping our bad salary and get some assets back. We keep our best role players. Trading for Jrue (I don't think he will reject his PO - he will either resign with NOLA or be traded and resigned) would take our best assets. So which outcome out of these two really makes us better more? 

Let me conclude same way as yesterday. If Mavs trade for Harris, I can understand the logic and I think it greatly improves us, especially with assets coming our way. It beats doing nothing and I am sure GA status is in all of their scenarios.

I looked at it  again.

If we asume

1.) FA doesn't work at all.
2.) Powell is done.
3.) Nobody wants to have anything to do with Wright.
4.) THJ regresses to under average starter. 
5.) Tobi fits better with us than with Philly.
6.) Thybulle develops some surprise offensive game with us. 
7.) We NEED #21 to upgrade #18 into a longterm starter.
This trade makes us better. 

If 2.) or 3.) or 4.) and 6.) + 7.) doesn't apear it's close to a wash with added risk.

If 5.) doesn't apear it's desaster. 

I do this trade as kind of last resort.

It's like (not as bad) trading for Westbrick, because Harden and CP3 don't come along. Or like GSW keeping the KD-assets alive.

I don't think we are there yet, but I see your logic.

And he will be tradeable without doubt. But we wouldn't want to pay the cost.
(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]1.) FA doesn't work at all.


This is not a game, you are not working in environment where everything is certain. So you have to manage risks. There is a risk we will get nothing great in FA (GA is basically the only great option realistically available. What if he is not?). There is a very realistic outcome of the FA is we end up paying max to Hayward till his age 35 season. So when thinking about options, you think about risks. For example: risk of trading for Harris is GA will want to come and we will have to pay (let's say) Thybulle and 2 FRP to get rid of his contract. Risk of not taking Harris is GA doesn't want to come and we end up paying max to someone similar (or worse) while losing opportunity to be better in 2020/21. Positive thing about trading for him is he makes us considerably better in 2020/21, because we don't really sacrifice a lot to get him. I think decision is far from black and white, it is complex


(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]4.) THJ regresses to under average starter.


I don't understand why this is relevant. THJ can stay as he is and Harris is still a better player. Considerably better, shall I say. Plus we get assets that add further value.


(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]5.) Tobi fits better with us than with Philly.


What was wrong with him in Philly? He scored 20 ppg on high efficiency. THJ scored 15 ppg on lower efficiency. Plus Harris is at least a neutral defender, while THJ is negative. All of these Harris managed in a season that was worse than couple of previous ones. So there is considerable hope he can work much better in our system than Philly no spacing mess from last season. All in all, last year Harris is way better than any non KP/Luka player we have.


(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]6.) Thybulle develops some surprise offensive game with us. 


Thybulle has all the tools to be an absolute elite defender, like top 5 in the league. DFS will never get near that despite all his effort. Thybulle shot 35 % from three. If he can keep the percentage and become elite defender, he is worth something in the range of 10-15 mil per season. I guess he will be (much) better version of DFS in 2 seasons max.


(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]7.) We NEED #21 to upgrade #18 into a longterm starter.


#21 gives us options. Trade, trade up,.. I wouldn't go as far as to guess what they could be. So we can darft a guy to replace THJ in a starting line-up, trade for him, sign him with MLE,..
John Hollinger at The Athletic has a series out this week on Free Agents.  He's combining PIPM, Raptor and PER on a weighted multi-year basis to come up with a single rating and then applying 20/21 dollars to that rating.  Luka as a free agent, for instance, would be the second most valuable player in the league and worth a contract of $55 million per (the metric is age based).  Gallinari is worth $19mm (he was named in the piece explaining the metric).  Hollinger thinks there will be a larger than normal number of one year deals this time around.

Today he started with PG's.  VanVleet is at the top of a thin class at $22mm.  Dragic is a hair above MLE at $11.5mm.  One of the bigger surprises (to me) was Burke at $7mm one spot ahead of Reggie Jackson at $6.4mm.  He had Jevon Carter (a player I like here) at $5.3mm and mentions Dallas would be a good situation for his skill set.  Barea and Yogi are down in the $3mm range.  I assume Dunn will be in tomorow's piece on SG's.

Here is what he wrote about Burke:

Tier 4: Less than MLE, more than minimum

Trey Burke $7,131,892

A replacement player in Dallas after Philadelphia inexplicably cut him, Burke isn’t for everybody — he’s small, he’s going to pound the ball a bit, and he’ll take a lot of long 2s. (This story comes up a lot in this free-agent guard market).

Nonetheless, he’s a good choice for a second unit that has limited shot creation, or as a third point guard to step up in case of injury. Burke’s 42.7 percent 3-point shooting last season is likely a fluke, as it’s a major outlier from the rest of his career, but the other numbers are not. He scores 23.7 points per 100 for his career with a 14.1 PER, and although he’s small he’s not a horrific defender. There’s a place for him in a rotation someplace.


https://theathletic.com/2166277/2020/11/...thin-herd/
(11-02-2020, 06:02 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]1.) FA doesn't work at all.


This is not a game, you are not working in environment where everything is certain. So you have to manage risks. There is a risk we will get nothing great in FA (GA is basically the only great option realistically available. What if he is not?). There is a very realistic outcome of the FA is we end up paying max to Hayward till his age 35 season. So when thinking about options, you think about risks. For example: risk of trading for Harris is GA will want to come and we will have to pay (let's say) Thybulle and 2 FRP to get rid of his contract. Risk of not taking Harris is GA doesn't want to come and we end up paying max to someone similar (or worse) while losing opportunity to be better in 2020/21. Positive thing about trading for him is he makes us considerably better in 2020/21, because we don't really sacrifice a lot to get him. I think decision is far from black and white, it is complex

There is so much we don´t know - so we all asume, guess and hope.
My hope for Giannis is like zero. But that doesn´t mean I would activly burn all bridges.
30 Mio can give you two starters otherwise. Everyyear someone will be squeezed. 

(11-02-2020, 06:02 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]4.) THJ regresses to under average starter.


I don't understand why this is relevant. THJ can stay as he is and Harris is still a better player. Considerably better, shall I say. Plus we get assets that add further value.

If we can keep THJ on his recent level and add another starter both at ~15 Mio that´s better than Tobi for 40 Mio. Maybe we find an PG or SG or playmaking SF starter for the MLE this year. Can´t see it.

(11-02-2020, 06:02 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]5.) Tobi fits better with us than with Philly.


What was wrong with him in Philly? He scored 20 ppg on high efficiency. THJ scored 15 ppg on lower efficiency. Plus Harris is at least a neutral defender, while THJ is negative. All of these Harris managed in a season that was worse than couple of previous ones. So there is considerable hope he can work much better in our system than Philly no spacing mess from last season. All in all, last year Harris is way better than any non KP/Luka player we have.

Did you ever play with someone, who plays perfectly the same way you play?
He will always run to the same place you run to. You will always be in your way. I think that´s what Tobi/Simmons/Embid did all year.

What kind of role do you see him in here? He isn´t a pick&roll big. He isn´t any playmaker, he is no spacer. This is my main point - everyhing else just adds to the pity. 

 
(11-02-2020, 06:02 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]6.) Thybulle develops some surprise offensive game with us. 


Thybulle has all the tools to be an absolute elite defender, like top 5 in the league. DFS will never get near that despite all his effort. Thybulle shot 35 % from three. If he can keep the percentage and become elite defender, he is worth something in the range of 10-15 mil per season. I guess he will be (much) better version of DFS in 2 seasons max.

If he is this player, the trade looks much better. Would just like to add that DFS gives you elite offensive rebounding, some cutting, he doesn´t interrupt the flow and is at least willing to attack a close-out.

(11-02-2020, 06:02 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-02-2020, 05:28 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]7.) We NEED #21 to upgrade #18 into a longterm starter.


#21 gives us options. Trade, trade up,.. I wouldn't go as far as to guess what they could be. So we can draft a guy to replace THJ in a starting line-up, trade for him, sign him with MLE,..

I´ve nothing to add here Smile
Kevin Pelton's ESPN Insider piece on Morey impact on decision making in Philly is linked below.  He doesn't think Morey will trade Simmons or Embiid in the near term.  Here is what he said about the guy most likely to go...Harris:

Tweaks in short term, bold changes in long term

From a big-picture perspective, I'm not sure Morey's arrival will dramatically change Philadelphia's game plan. For now, the 76ers will most likely look to maximize the Embiid-Simmons duo with their new coach -- recently hired Doc Rivers -- and different pieces around them.

  
Morey would probably be more inclined to trade starting forward Tobias Harris, who re-signed on a five-year, $180 million deal last summer after the Sixers gave up a lavish package to acquire him from the LA Clippers before the 2019 trade deadline. However, Harris' disappointing 2019-20 campaign and big contract will make it difficult to move him for value. The same is true of Al Horford, Philadelphia's big-ticket addition in the summer of 2019.

Beyond that, the 76ers' short-term moves are largely telegraphed. They'll surely look to move Mike Scott and Zhaire Smith to cut their luxury-tax bill, which might give Morey the ability to go shopping with the team's taxpayer midlevel exception.


https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_...rey-charge
(11-02-2020, 07:42 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]He had Jevon Carter (a player I like here) at $5.3mm and mentions Dallas would be a good situation for his skill set.


He actually doesn't say that last part Smile He mentiones Dallas next to Dragic, Burke and Barea
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