(10-03-2020, 03:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]We do NOT need to pay that much for a defender who CANNOT space the floor.
Pay that much? Which excellent defender can we get for 18+31 and a couple of role players? I think you are way overvaluing our assets.
And claiming that Oladipo can't space the floor is just a bad take. You can't look at his 19 post injury games as a mirror of what he is capable of. KP was just as bad in his first 30 or so games when he came back. And it's not like KP is a much better shooter and look at the spacing he provides. Oladipo is a career 35% 3 point shooter and I just don't see defenses leaving him completely open. Not to mention all the other things he is capable to do offensively.
(10-03-2020, 03:34 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]You are seriously downplaying Oladipo. While he is not the best first banana, he can be an excellent third banana and certainly much better third banana than THJ. While THJ had a good season offensively, he is not what we need defensively. Dipo can be. The only question with Dipo is if he can stay healthy. Getting him now certainly improves possibility to keep him in 2021.
Why?
Maybe he comes here, realizes Luka dominates the ball all the time and he doesn´t like it. Maybe he has a bust-up with Carlisle like virtually every point guard ever, even those that eventually work it out. Then he has an easy out.
Of course it can help, too. We don´t know.
There is also a possibility our draft pick shows serious potential like a Tyler Herro and then we (could) move him on with Kleber+Wright to Indiana at the trade deadline in March and still sign a max FA next summer.
Always blowing assets on maximizing 12 months windows has been our operating style for the last 15 years. Just once take a long-term approach, which IN REALITY is only a window from Nov 20th. to (roughly) Sep 1st. Nine months!
I can´t believe so many can´t wait nine months for a shot to build a dynasty, because they need immediate 2nd round gratification. LeBron didn´t leave the Cavs, because they made no decisions. He left, because they had no good plan and made stupid decisions.
(10-03-2020, 03:47 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Which excellent defender can we get for 18+31 and a couple of role players?
1) Dipo has been an "excellent" defender in TWO seasons in his NBA career, the one with OKC and the firts with IND. Otherwise I would say good or solid.
2) OPJ (and should be cheaper than that).
(10-03-2020, 03:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I think Dipo empties the cupboard and then likely loses his own "asset" value.
Of course you only trade for him, if you think he can become what he was. If not, their is no point trading for him. But there is no better point to trade for him than now. He will never be cheaper (or it will be proven he is not good anymore). I think there is a better chance he can returns to what he was than not. I am sure Mavs staff will be able to look at everything much more closely and make a much more educated decision.
(10-03-2020, 03:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I think Buddy is at least an asset as a PROVEN NBA floor spacer and high volume three point shooter. And you have to give up less to get him more than likely.
With Buddy, you give up your flexibility, which is a lot. And I don't think he really brings us closer to contention status. We need to add two tough defenders in the starting five for that. If we find out he is not our solution, we will still have to pay our assets to improve him. We will basically come to the same situation as if we traded for Dipo now.
Plus, since we are valuing bad stretches so much - Buddy was just awful in the bubble.
(10-03-2020, 03:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 03:40 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]So how can you consider this as lower risk compared to Oladipo?
I am saying based on what assets I think you have to give to get them.
I think Dipo empties the cupboard and then likely loses his own "asset" value.
I think Buddy is at least an asset as a PROVEN NBA floor spacer and high volume three point shooter. And you have to give up less to get him more than likely.
The problem is that Buddy is entering a 4YR 100M extension. *ALERT* Vlade gave him that contract *ALERT*
The ceiling for his defensive side of the floor is average. Can you put enough defensive minded players around he and Luka to have a top 15 defense? Not sure.
He'd give you an offensive punch and could probably average 20-22 points per game where Dipo and THJ are going to be 15-18. Buddy is a defensive liability. Dipo is at least an average defender. THJ tries hard so I'd rank him above Budy.
The plus side is that you know what he costs, his contract numbers lessen as the years progress and like you said, he can probably be had for less assets than Dipo. Dipo probably costs you more if you want to resign him.
THJ would be the least expensive option moving forward so we should keep that door open if other options don't present themselves.
If Buddy doesn't mesh with Carlisle, how easy is that contract to move? Can you return anything of value or are we dumping him like we did Harry?
(10-03-2020, 03:49 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I can´t believe so many can´t wait nine months for a shot to build a dynasty, because they need immediate 2nd round gratification. LeBron didn´t leave the Cavs, because they made no decisions. He left, because they had no good plan and made stupid decisions.
OMG, you just officially threw your hat in the ring as a challenger for @"DanSchwartzman"'s MVP crown. This is the exact point I've been trying to make for a month, but you said it better in three sentences than I have in roughly 100 posts.
This is NOT a "Giannis or bust" mentality. It's a "great team or bust" mentality. There are better things out there than whatever deal is right in front of you at any given moment. Wait. Develop. Make the RIGHT deal.
No Juwon Howards this time around the block, PLEASE!!!
Let it be known, I am NOT suggesting Buddy should be even close to the top of the list of things you try.
I just feel he is less of a risk than Dipo at what I assume is their respective costs.
This has quickly devolved into "Hield vs. Oladipo" which is unfortunate, because I don't think ANYONE is hoping against hope that the Mavs pull the trigger on Hield. It has merely been pointed out that some of us see him as a better alternative to Oladipo. I believe this was largely just about context (I know it was for my part).
The DREAM is a move that 100% of us would agree is better than either of them.
(10-03-2020, 03:51 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]2) OPJ (and should be cheaper than that).
You are very subjective here. Since you gave such a critical look at Dipo, let's have a critical look at OPJ. With the exception of first 15 games with Chicago, he never scored more than 15 ppg and he actually came close to that in one season only. His efficiency was not really great most of his career. Same as Dipo he was troubled by an injury and it is not clear yet if he can return to preinjury self (which was worse than preinjury Dipo). The only thing he is better at is 3 point shooting.
OPJ salary is higher than Dipo, which automatically means it will take more salary on our side to make the deal work. I really have no idea why would Chicago trade him for what we have. He is their only wing. Moving him probably makes them worse and it doesn't look they are rebuilding. So I don't agree it will be cheaper to get him than Dipo.
There is no way they take Powell and Wright salary as that would require our picks without sending a good player back. We could offer THJ+Jackson. But they have a bunch of similar players to THJ like LaVine, White etc. So would you pay Kleber+Curry+Wright+picks for him?
(10-03-2020, 03:49 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 03:34 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]You are seriously downplaying Oladipo. While he is not the best first banana, he can be an excellent third banana and certainly much better third banana than THJ. While THJ had a good season offensively, he is not what we need defensively. Dipo can be. The only question with Dipo is if he can stay healthy. Getting him now certainly improves possibility to keep him in 2021.
Why?
Maybe he comes here, realizes Luka dominates the ball all the time and he doesn´t like it. Maybe he has a bust-up with Carlisle like virtually every point guard ever, even those that eventually work it out. Then he has an easy out.
Of course it can help, too. We don´t know.
There is also a possibility our draft pick shows serious potential like a Tyler Herro and then we (could) move him on with Kleber+Wright to Indiana at the trade deadline in March and still sign a max FA next summer.
Always blowing assets on maximizing 12 months windows has been our operating style for the last 15 years. Just once take a long-term approach, which IN REALITY is only a window from Nov 20th. to (roughly) Sep 1st. Nine months!
I can´t believe so many can´t wait nine months for a shot to build a dynasty, because they need immediate 2nd round gratification. LeBron didn´t leave the Cavs, because they made no decisions. He left, because they had no good plan and made stupid decisions.
Ideally you'd acquire assets (even in the short term) that would improve the team and would be able to be moved should Giannis want to come here (spoiler: that's not happening). Teams have proven time and time again that if a superstar wants to come to your team, you can maneuver to make that happen.
You can give valid reasons for why LeBron left Cleveland but I'd counter that Dirk should have left Dallas with all the Plan Powder punting the MBT did from 2012 onwards. Forcing trades isn't a good idea for player retention but neither is spinning your tires in the mud. Plan Powder is why Giannis isn't on this team in the first place. What's Shane Larkin up to anyway?
Reminder that this last offseason we helped botch a trade with Heat (speaking of teams that found a way to fit a Superstar on their team), couldn't get a conversation with PatBev (much less Kemba), got strung along by Danny Green (!!!) and had Delon Wright as one of their big free agent signings. I think people are putting too much stock in "they'll want to come play with Luka" narrative. The MBT at the very least needs some new blood (not suggesting replacements) when it comes to recruiting free agents. They've fallen on their faces way too many time for me to ever think we'll land a big fish, much less Giannis.
(10-03-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The DREAM is a move that 100% of us would agree is better than either of them.
Which is?
Simple facts. Mavs are not good enough to contend and Mavs don't have an asset chest to catch the biggest fish (and least risk free fishes) from the pond. The only hope for that is the 2021 free agency. This simply means, every move Mavs make will have a certain level of risk attached to it. Same as it was with KP. This is why I don't have a problem discussing Dipo, because his best version is probably one of the best possible third bananas we could have.
(10-03-2020, 04:17 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The DREAM is a move that 100% of us would agree is better than either of them.
Which is?
Simple facts. Mavs are not good enough to contend and Mavs don't have an asset chest to catch the biggest fish (and least risk free fishes) from the pond. The only hope for that is the 2021 free agency. This simply means, every move Mavs make will have a certain level of risk attached to it. Same as it was with KP. This is why I don't have a problem discussing Dipo, because his best version is probably one of the best possible third bananas we could have.
Did you know ahead of time that they'd be able to trade up in the draft so easily to get Luka? Did you know ahead of time that they'd be able to swing such a ridiculously one-sided deal for KP? If so, you're way smarter than me. If you'd have asked me about either of those deals a month in advance, I'd have called you a dreamer.
I agree that 2021 is the year, but not just because of who they might sign. You can do more with cap space than sign free agents (as I'm sure you know). I agree that Oladipo doesn't take that option away, which is great, but you ALREADY have that option NOW, and without giving up Kleber and whomever they like in the draft.
I make that trade in a heartbeat if I think Oladipo is the right guy, but I don't. Like, at all. If you do, then great - we disagree. That's allowed.
If you're dead set on a "get better now" move that doesn't jeopardize 2021, I'd prefer Hayward to Oladipo. I still probably don't do that, because I view standing pat as an extremely viable option (just this once), but I'd feel better about him than Oladipo, and that move comes with the same sort of "back to the original plan" downside being discussed for Oladipo.
Not Dipo, not Buddy, but OPJ.
Re: OPJ. I've firmly been against the idea of acquiring him since his name was floated around on the old site. I do think that's a name you keep your plan B file for the '21 FA period. I'd sign him on as a reclamation project as he'll be a helluva lot cheaper than the crazy contract the Wizards gave him.
For fun: Powell + Wright + Jackson works for OPJ. Not that Chicago would accept.
(10-03-2020, 04:24 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Not Dipo, not Buddy, but OPJ.
Same deal as the other two players discussed. A one-year audition.
To be clear, I don't think the Mavs have to do any of these deals, but if forced to choose one, I'd place both OPJ and Gordon Hayward ahead of Oladipo on my list.
(10-03-2020, 04:29 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]For fun: Powell + Wright + Jackson works for OPJ.
THIS is a deal I'd make. I don't see why Chicago does it, but then again, I didn't see KP being so cheap, either.
I don't see ANY of these players making the team substantially better in ONE SWING, so I'm not falling in love with any of them to the point where I'm moving too much to get them. The above deal dumps Powell and Wright's contracts and includes a player who's not in the rotation. Of course you make that deal. I'd probably add a pick, if I had to. But I DON'T make that deal expecting OPJ to be the "missing piece" so I'd damn well better have a multi step plan in place that's not destroyed by this decision.
(10-03-2020, 04:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 04:24 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Not Dipo, not Buddy, but OPJ.
Same deal as the other two players discussed. A one-year audition.
To be clear, I don't think the Mavs have to do any of these deals, but if forced to choose one, I'd place both OPJ and Gordon Hayward ahead of Oladipo on my list.
(10-03-2020, 04:29 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]For fun: Powell + Wright + Jackson works for OPJ.
THIS is a deal I'd make. I don't see why Chicago does it, but then again, I didn't see KP being so cheap, either.
I don't see ANY of these players making the team substantially better in ONE SWING, so I'm not falling in love with any of them to the point where I'm moving too much to get them. The above deal dumps Powell and Wright's contracts and includes a player who's not in the rotation. Of course you make that deal. I'd probably add a pick, if I had to. But I DON'T make that deal expecting OPJ to be the "missing piece" so I'd damn well better have a multi step plan in place that's not destroyed by this decision.
I'd give up 18+31 and not think twice about it. That's coming from me, the co-founder of the Powell fan club and OPJ hater club. Chicago still says no. Even if they want off of OPJ's 28M this year, they'd inherit 22M of Powell in '22/'23, 8.5M of Wright in '22.
(10-03-2020, 04:38 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'd give up 18+31 and not think twice about it. That's coming from me, the co-founder of the Powell fan club and OPJ hater club. Chicago still says no. Even if they want off of OPJ's 28M this year, they'd inherit 22M of Powell in '22/'23, 8.5M of Wright in '22.
I like Powell, too. I don't love OPJ, either.
I'm just saying, Powell and Wright have contracts that we see as obstacles when it comes to roster building, but it's not like they're Chandler Parsons, Ian Mahinmi, Jon Wall, etc. It's conceivable that there are multiple teams out there who WANT those players, and are at points of their timeline where having cap flexibility is no longer an option (like where the Mavs will be from about 2022 until Luka retires).
I don't know that Chicago wants them, and I'm inclined to agree with your analysis of the trade. But, I'm FAR from the thinking that the Mavs are painted into a corner, and that's specifically BECAUSE they haven't done anything stupid and desperate for a couple of years. My point is that it would make me happy for them to continue not doing stupid, desperate things. If that means missing out on some deals, I'm FIIIIIIINNNNNNNE with that.
If a true, blue "can't pass this up" deal presents itself, you take it. If not, you draft some guys you like, win 50 games and hope internal development gets you to the 2nd round. If it does, great. If not, that's ok, because you're now at the 2021 off season! If that off season comes and goes without giving you what you need, THEN it's time to start taking some risks.
(10-03-2020, 04:14 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 03:49 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 03:34 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]You are seriously downplaying Oladipo. While he is not the best first banana, he can be an excellent third banana and certainly much better third banana than THJ. While THJ had a good season offensively, he is not what we need defensively. Dipo can be. The only question with Dipo is if he can stay healthy. Getting him now certainly improves possibility to keep him in 2021.
Why?
Maybe he comes here, realizes Luka dominates the ball all the time and he doesn´t like it. Maybe he has a bust-up with Carlisle like virtually every point guard ever, even those that eventually work it out. Then he has an easy out.
Of course it can help, too. We don´t know.
There is also a possibility our draft pick shows serious potential like a Tyler Herro and then we (could) move him on with Kleber+Wright to Indiana at the trade deadline in March and still sign a max FA next summer.
Always blowing assets on maximizing 12 months windows has been our operating style for the last 15 years. Just once take a long-term approach, which IN REALITY is only a window from Nov 20th. to (roughly) Sep 1st. Nine months!
I can´t believe so many can´t wait nine months for a shot to build a dynasty, because they need immediate 2nd round gratification. LeBron didn´t leave the Cavs, because they made no decisions. He left, because they had no good plan and made stupid decisions.
Ideally you'd acquire assets (even in the short term) that would improve the team and would be able to be moved should Giannis want to come here (spoiler: that's not happening). Teams have proven time and time again that if a superstar wants to come to your team, you can maneuver to make that happen.
You can give valid reasons for why LeBron left Cleveland but I'd counter that Dirk should have left Dallas with all the Plan Powder punting the MBT did from 2012 onwards. Forcing trades isn't a good idea for player retention but neither is spinning your tires in the mud. Plan Powder is why Giannis isn't on this team in the first place. What's Shane Larkin up to anyway?
Reminder that this last offseason we helped botch a trade with Heat (speaking of teams that found a way to fit a Superstar on their team), couldn't get a conversation with PatBev (much less Kemba), got strung along by Danny Green (!!!) and had Delon Wright as one of their big free agent signings. I think people are putting too much stock in "they'll want to come play with Luka" narrative. The MBT at the very least needs some new blood (not suggesting replacements) when it comes to recruiting free agents. They've fallen on their faces way too many time for me to ever think we'll land a big fish, much less Giannis.
Exactly. Giannis not being drafted is the exact result of the "win as many games as you can next season"-approach. No time to wait on a project for three years, which I have already explained is also a bunch of BS. If a rookie has it, it usually takes him 12-18 months to be a solid contributor. Giannis averaged 13/7/3 at the end of his second season. That summer we signed Aminu to play his position.
I don´t mind bringing in Dario Saric for the MLE and maybe a project like Harry Giles. Stock-pile young-ish assets. Draft the BPA at #18+#31. Use the next season to win as many games as you can with them, nurture your assets and work the back channels for 2021 FA, so you got the deals done on opening day (like all other teams).
The only part I´m totally opposed to is giving up assets to make our 2021 FA signing a year early. If Jrue Holiday and Victor Oladipo want to be here, they´ll sign in the summer or can be acquired on a further discount at the 2021 trade deadline.
Look if you feel Aaron Gordon, Buddy Hield or Myles Turner ARE the guy, then go ahead and make your move. They won´t be available for free next summer either.
Just signing Dario Saric for example can also reduce the playing burden on Porzingis and Powell in the condensed 2020/2021 season to protect them from further injuries. Nothing would be more disastrous to our prospects of keeping Luka than Porzingis having another major injury due to overplaying him.
The decisions simply should not be made with a "Win next season"-mindset, but rather how can I improve every season and sustain it.
(10-03-2020, 04:47 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 04:38 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'd give up 18+31 and not think twice about it. That's coming from me, the co-founder of the Powell fan club and OPJ hater club. Chicago still says no. Even if they want off of OPJ's 28M this year, they'd inherit 22M of Powell in '22/'23, 8.5M of Wright in '22.
I like Powell, too. I don't love OPJ, either.
I'm just saying, Powell and Wright have contracts that we see as obstacles when it comes to roster building, but it's not like they're Chandler Parsons, Ian Mahinmi, Jon Wall, etc. It's conceivable that there are multiple teams out there who WANT those players, and are at points of their timeline where having cap flexibility is no longer an option (like where the Mavs will be from about 2022 until Luka retires).
I don't know that Chicago wants them, and I'm inclined to agree with your analysis of the trade. But, I'm FAR from the thinking that the Mavs are painted into a corner, and that's specifically BECAUSE they haven't done anything stupid and desperate for a couple of years. My point is that it would make me happy for them to continue not doing stupid, desperate things. If that means missing out on some deals, I'm FIIIIIIINNNNNNNE with that.
If a true, blue "can't pass this up" deal presents itself, you take it. If not, you draft some guys you like, win 50 games and hope internal development gets you to the 2nd round. If it does, great. If not, that's ok, because you're now at the 2021 off season! If that off season comes and goes without giving you what you need, THEN it's time to start taking some risks.
I think we should all assume that the MBT don't want off of Powell. I think that's a fan driven narrative. You can argue that he didn't deserve the contract he received, but I'll take the counter in that he's worked his ass off, was a valuable contributor on the court, is a great leader and teammate, and is an ambassador for the team, players associate and the league as a whole.
Even if the Mavs wanted to dump him, his value right now is upside down. No one knows what he comes back as since his PNR effectiveness was based on his explosiveness as a lob threat.
We also know the Mavs want to dump Delon and Delon wants out. I'm going to go with negative value here too.
Justin Jackson regressed this past year, he's just salary filler. Maybe someone still sees upside in him as a reclamation project since this is the last year of his deal.
We know late round picks can go for a few million so let's put the value of #31 at 2M. No idea the value of 18 but maybe there is someone at that spot that Chicago loves. Probably not enough to overcome the rest of the negative value in the trade.
Now if you really want off of Powell, you could swap out Wright for Curry and maybe have a more interesting conversation.
(10-03-2020, 05:01 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 04:14 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 03:49 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2020, 03:34 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]You are seriously downplaying Oladipo. While he is not the best first banana, he can be an excellent third banana and certainly much better third banana than THJ. While THJ had a good season offensively, he is not what we need defensively. Dipo can be. The only question with Dipo is if he can stay healthy. Getting him now certainly improves possibility to keep him in 2021.
Why?
Maybe he comes here, realizes Luka dominates the ball all the time and he doesn´t like it. Maybe he has a bust-up with Carlisle like virtually every point guard ever, even those that eventually work it out. Then he has an easy out.
Of course it can help, too. We don´t know.
There is also a possibility our draft pick shows serious potential like a Tyler Herro and then we (could) move him on with Kleber+Wright to Indiana at the trade deadline in March and still sign a max FA next summer.
Always blowing assets on maximizing 12 months windows has been our operating style for the last 15 years. Just once take a long-term approach, which IN REALITY is only a window from Nov 20th. to (roughly) Sep 1st. Nine months!
I can´t believe so many can´t wait nine months for a shot to build a dynasty, because they need immediate 2nd round gratification. LeBron didn´t leave the Cavs, because they made no decisions. He left, because they had no good plan and made stupid decisions.
Ideally you'd acquire assets (even in the short term) that would improve the team and would be able to be moved should Giannis want to come here (spoiler: that's not happening). Teams have proven time and time again that if a superstar wants to come to your team, you can maneuver to make that happen.
You can give valid reasons for why LeBron left Cleveland but I'd counter that Dirk should have left Dallas with all the Plan Powder punting the MBT did from 2012 onwards. Forcing trades isn't a good idea for player retention but neither is spinning your tires in the mud. Plan Powder is why Giannis isn't on this team in the first place. What's Shane Larkin up to anyway?
Reminder that this last offseason we helped botch a trade with Heat (speaking of teams that found a way to fit a Superstar on their team), couldn't get a conversation with PatBev (much less Kemba), got strung along by Danny Green (!!!) and had Delon Wright as one of their big free agent signings. I think people are putting too much stock in "they'll want to come play with Luka" narrative. The MBT at the very least needs some new blood (not suggesting replacements) when it comes to recruiting free agents. They've fallen on their faces way too many time for me to ever think we'll land a big fish, much less Giannis.
Exactly. Giannis not being drafted is the exact result of the "win as many games as you can next season"-approach. No time to wait on a project for three years, which I have already explained is also a bunch of BS. If a rookie has it, it usually takes him 12-18 months to be a solid contributor. Giannis averaged 13/7/3 at the end of his second season. That summer we signed Aminu to play his position.
Going to slightly disagree because what the Mavs did was worse than "win as many games as you can next season" which is what I'd classify as the mentality of the Cavs during Lebron's first run. The Mavs strategy was to stay as competitive as possible (for Dirk) while only committing to 1 year deals in order to be able to chase the next crop of free agents. It always felt like they went from plan A (superstars) to plan D (Chris Kaman) with little consideration in-between. When they did finally learn their lesson that they couldn't attract marquee free agents and that good players want security, the moved on to the plan of overpaying for the 4th or 5th best player on the team and thinking they could flourish as the face of the franchise (Parsons, Wes, Harry).
Our front office terrifies me.
@"cow" we're not having the same conversation.
I responded to a hypothetical trade you offered (you meant it as a joke, I think). I don't want to trade for OPJ. Don't care. Not interested. I don't want to move on from Powell at all costs. Don't care. These are not my goals. The point of my response is that I'd ONLY make such a deal in those one-sided circumstances, which, I agree, aren't likely to present themselves.
I think Powell and Wright DO have value for some teams, as do #18 and #31. I KNOW Kleber, DFS, Curry, Brunson and THJ have more value than the hive mind here thinks they represent, both to the Mavs and to other teams.
All I'm saying is that if I'm the Mavs, I'm looking for MY deal, and that the "then you're not going to make ANY deals" response is NOT a problem for me. I am fine if WCS opts in, they bring back Burke on a team friendly deal and they draft a couple of players who have a chance at NBA careers. I need nothing else to be excited for next season.
Anything they do past that is gravy, and it had better be no-brainer level stuff.