(09-24-2020, 09:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:30 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]post 2011 plan powder was an abomination of a team building strategy
My other big argument with you and others was that I fiercely defended the Odom acquisition and the release of Tyson (based on the salary he was asking).
I am still fine that the Mavs went "plan powder" as I do believe they had promises (or leads) from Deron and Dwight's agents.
Just because you fail at something doesn't always mean it is "wrong." I still defend the logic of those decisions based on the AVAILABLE knowledge at the time. I do NOT defend not trading Marion. The evidence at the time said it was time to move him along.
That team deserved a chance to defend their title, and that is all, as far as I'm concerned.
(09-24-2020, 09:36 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]How did I miss this conversation. I think I started posting in 2014.
I have no idea. I did NOT let the Marion thing go for YEARS.
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(09-24-2020, 09:40 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I was pro Rondo trade.
Me too....
(09-24-2020, 09:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:30 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]post 2011 plan powder was an abomination of a team building strategy
My other big argument with you and others was that I fiercely defended the Odom acquisition and the release of Tyson (based on the salary he was asking).
I am still fine that the Mavs went "plan powder" as I do believe they had promises (or leads) from Deron and Dwight's agents.
Just because you fail at something doesn't always mean it is "wrong." I still defend the logic of those decisions based on the AVAILABLE knowledge at the time. I do NOT defend not trading Marion. The evidence at the time said it was time to move him along.
How can someone so smart be so wrong about something so obvious for so long? Gotta be some kind of comedy bit.
(09-24-2020, 09:41 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]That team deserved a chance to defend their title, and that is all, as far as I'm concerned.
I wanted Tyson on a one year contract. Did we ever hear if the Mavs offered that or not?
(09-24-2020, 09:40 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:30 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]post 2011 plan powder was an abomination of a team building strategy
My other big argument with you and others was that I fiercely defended the Odom acquisition and the release of Tyson (based on the salary he was asking).
I am still fine that the Mavs went "plan powder" as I do believe they had promises (or leads) from Deron and Dwight's agents.
Just because you fail at something doesn't always mean it is "wrong." I still defend the logic of those decisions based on the AVAILABLE knowledge at the time. I do NOT defend not trading Marion. The evidence at the time said it was time to move him along.
Bad predictions or misjudging a player. I think most of us had similar bad takes.
I was pro Rondo trade. Really thought he was the missing piece for one last run with Dirk.
Same here. Didn’t know what a P.O.S. Rondo was at the most fundamental level. He is worse than Wade or Odom
(09-24-2020, 09:47 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]so obvious
What are you referring to?
(09-24-2020, 09:41 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]That team deserved a chance to defend their title, and that is all, as far as I'm concerned.
Well, of course they did. If you think anything different, you're either not American or Mark Cuban.
I have forgiven him, partially...but I will never forget.
(09-24-2020, 09:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:41 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]That team deserved a chance to defend their title, and that is all, as far as I'm concerned.
I wanted Tyson on a one year contract. Did we ever hear if the Mavs offered that or not?
Story at the time was everyone that was a FA was offered a one year deal to run it back. Hindsight they all should’ve taken it.
(09-24-2020, 09:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:41 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]That team deserved a chance to defend their title, and that is all, as far as I'm concerned.
I wanted Tyson on a one year contract. Did we ever hear if the Mavs offered that or not?
Nice try. I'm not getting baited into this again. I will resist.
(09-24-2020, 09:49 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:41 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]That team deserved a chance to defend their title, and that is all, as far as I'm concerned.
I wanted Tyson on a one year contract. Did we ever hear if the Mavs offered that or not?
Story at the time was everyone that was a FA was offered a one year deal to run it back. Hindsight they all should’ve taken it.
Don't fall into the trap. HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT TOOK PLACE THAT SUMMER. He's just trying to troll the absolute shit out of us, lolololololol.
(09-24-2020, 09:36 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:35 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:27 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:14 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]15th admits that Shawn Marion was great
Fif LOVES Marion.
The back story is that he and I were in an endless fight that started about 8 years ago and continued for the last three years of Marion's career.
My stance:
1) Marion was a basically lazy and negative defender in the regular season his WHOLE time with the Mavs, hurting them most of the time and in some massive ways at times.
2) Marion was a GREAT defender for the 2010, 2011, 2012 playoff runs. No argument there.
3) After the 2012 playoffs he was a TOTAL disaster and was getting in the way of the Mavs moving forward as a franchise.
4) I was arguing that the Mavs would have had one more run with Dirk if Marion would have been traded.
I was then vindicated with his disastrous last season in CLE and then retirement. He was totally washed up as I had been saying. The Mavs were loyal to him when they should have been loyal to others (like Tyson).
Interestingly, I can agree with a good bit of that :-)
That must be an example of hindsight being 20/20, because that wasn't your take at the time...
The things Kam typed out here weren't the primary things we argued about. I didn't think Marion was the greatest, or anything. I thought the post 2011 Mavs had bigger problems than Matrix and I argued with Kam about what Marion's advanced stats meant.
Does @"DanSchwartzman" or anyone else remember:
Can the Mavs do a sign and trade this offseason or are they hard capped and unable to do that?
I was just wondering if those Jerami Grant fans might be able to get him that way if you could send DEN a friendly contract or so that helps fill his void for them.
(09-24-2020, 10:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Does @"DanSchwartzman" or anyone else remember:
Can the Mavs do a sign and trade this offseason or are they hard capped and unable to do that?
I was just wondering if those Jerami Grant fans might be able to get him that way if you could send DEN a friendly contract or so that helps fill his void for them.
Grant is a player I would be willing to part with Maxi for if necessary, tbqh.
(09-24-2020, 10:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Does @"DanSchwartzman" or anyone else remember:
Can the Mavs do a sign and trade this offseason or are they hard capped and unable to do that?
I was just wondering if those Jerami Grant fans might be able to get him that way if you could send DEN a friendly contract or so that helps fill his void for them.
I believe we could since we are over the cap but under the tax line
I think the Grant ship has sailed though. He’s too good. Probably worth 15-20 per
(09-24-2020, 10:08 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Grant is a player I would be willing to part with Maxi for if necessary, tbqh.
How much would you be willing to pay Grant? What's your ceiling?
(09-24-2020, 10:11 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 10:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Does @"DanSchwartzman" or anyone else remember:
Can the Mavs do a sign and trade this offseason or are they hard capped and unable to do that?
I was just wondering if those Jerami Grant fans might be able to get him that way if you could send DEN a friendly contract or so that helps fill his void for them.
I believe we could since we are over the cap but under the tax line
I think the Grant ship has sailed though. He’s too good. Probably worth 15-20 per
I'd prefer he be making that money from the Mavs than another THJ.
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