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(11-16-2020, 12:28 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-15-2020, 11:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!
This one is a blockbuster but not the one I've been talking about. 

Atlanta has agreed to a framework deal with MIN in a Jrue Holiday deal where they would get #13, #17, and a 2nd rounder for 6th overall pick. MIN has been targeting Atlanta to move up for awhile. Even offering Culver and #17 which thankfully fell on deaf ears but this one is huge. He was been hearing Atlanta was targeting two mid 1sts if they moved down and this would be it. This would save Atlanta some salary which is needed for the blockbuster deal and Hayward signing. 

As mentioned, PHX is targeting Jrue Holiday if CP3 falls through which it will and NO wants a top 5 pick for him. He was told NO wants as little amount of salary for Holiday as possible and would prefer to move him for mainly just cap space. Cleveland has shown interest in moving back and adding Rubio/Oubre. There has been interest in even taking on Kevin Love contract from PHX as well. 

NO is targeting LaMelo Ball and wants to trade #5 and #13 to MIN for Ball. 

MIN is targeting two top 6 picks in this draft and want two of Haliburton, Deni, and Obi. I haven't heard Okongwu's name but he could be in the mix. 
I don't know who the hell Atlanta would target at 13 and 17. My guess just based on having some interest in is Achiuwa, Nesmith, Jalen Smith, Cole Anthony, Tyrell Terry, Kira Lewis Jr., Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, Tyrese Maxey, and R.J. Hampton. 

Good lord that's confusing.

Breaking it down, he appears to have a 5-team series of deals:

Jrue and Love to Phoenix
13, 17,and a 2nd rounder to Atlanta
6, 5, and 13 to Minnesota 
10, Rubio, and Oubre to Cleveland (the 10 is implied for "moving back" with Phoenix)
1 to the Pelicans

So 13 is going to two different teams, Phoenix is getting way more salary than they can possibly manage, and 6 of the tp 17 picks are all changing hands. 

I'll believe it when I see it.

The kevin love part seems ridiculous, but suns are below the cap so don’t have to fully match salaries. It makes sense if they don’t get CP3

Repots have been suns balking at CP3 price. This may be the best they can do without mortgaging everything

(11-16-2020, 12:43 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]The kevin love part seems ridiculous, but suns are below the cap so don’t have to fully match salaries.

Hmm... good point. It looks like they might be able to just squeeze it in with a few smaller moves after the draft once the new year starts. So maybe I'll take back the illegal comment. I'll even grant the possibility that the double-13 allocation was a simple mistake. So I'll just leave it as really hard to believe.

One way or another, he'll either be proven a true insider up there with Woj or a complete fraud who will most likely fall back on new "inside info" for how this super-deal fell apart at the last minute. We'll find out soon enough, and I'll be happy to follow his new famous Twitter account if he comes through.

(11-16-2020, 12:26 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2020, 12:07 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Funny how when you have no assets and have to rely on luck and the needs of other teams you end up with crap. Might be good to accumulate assets.

Funny you say that... Because I felt like we only had Brunson, our 1st this year and whatever the GS pick was going into the year.
THJ suddenly turned into an asset... And we got Curry on a great deal. You could argue Kleber on a team friendly deal with improved play also became a pretty good asset.

Just finding good players and elevating their status by having them in your system I think can be a good way to find value. We really have no other choice but free agency and undervalued players via trade.

That's what I'm saying. The Mavs do have some assets - 18, 31, Curry, DFS, Maxi, Brunson the '25 FRP - but the usage, or misusage, of those assets could make them a worse team for '20-'21. They basically have to include between four and all seven of those listed assets to compete with the other 28 teams in the league for any particular player they want in trade in order to build the "real" starting lineup that they don't have right now. How good of a team is left when you have Luka, KP, the guy you traded for, your collection of non-assets (Wright, Powell, etc.), THJ, and between zero and three of what you didn't trade? I think it's clear that that's almost certainly a worse team than you had to begin with - sideways movement at best.

The Mavs have three opportunities to add assets this summer - the MLE, wise drafting, and wise usage of your trade assets. I think they're putting themselves in a bad place asset-wise if they don't retain #18 or actually trade up. And then, as you say, the fourth - internal improvement over the next year. Their big opportunity to increase their talent quotient and their trade assets chest is in '21. That's when they can either add a monster third player like GA or KL, or split cap room into a number of players who want to play with Luka and are willing to take paycuts. That means, further, that those assets cannot just add a player or players in trade - they also need to serve as sweeteners to dump our anti-assets like Wright and hopefully Powell. Ergo, our assets are stretched too thin, and we aren't getting the players we would like without spending more in trade than we can really afford. We can beat other teams if we're willing to do what we really can't do.

Is THJ a trade asset? I would argue no, rhetorically no more than KP is a trade asset. He is an asset to us as an expiring contract. We want him to buoy the team in order to attract the players we really want in '21, and then we want him to expire in order to be able to sign those players. I see the correct route with THJ right now as "keep, play, expire." He isn't likely to be sent out for another player who will expire (although I keep breaking this rule and dreaming that we'll get OPJ for THJ and some other asset). If the Mavs traded him for a long term contract, even if it's a guy who fits well with Luka and KP, you're basically punting on '21, so you had better nail that trade.

This is just my variation of KL's "be prepared." I'm prepared for the Mavs 1) not to get anyone good, 2) to trade #18 for a lame, underwhelming player (Fournier is looking like the best-case scenario to me right now), and/or 3) keep #18 and draft the '20 version of Shane Larkin or Mo Ager.

I hate basketball.

(11-16-2020, 12:40 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/HeatNationCom/status...6560197632

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Are you staying with the Bucks?  Giannis:

Are you coming to Toronto? Giannis:

Are you joining Luka in DAL?  Giannis:

Are you dating my mom? Giannis:

(11-16-2020, 01:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I hate basketball.

I love basketball, and that's why it hurts. Let's *be prepared* for the heartache - and hopefully be very pleasantly surprised.

(11-16-2020, 01:29 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2020, 01:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I hate basketball.

I love basketball, and that's why it hurts. Let's *be prepared* for the heartache - and hopefully be very pleasantly surprised.

Not sure about y’all but the heartache is only from FA. Trades are historically our bread and butter. We’ve done well. Tonight is Christmas eve

(11-16-2020, 01:41 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2020, 01:29 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2020, 01:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I hate basketball.

I love basketball, and that's why it hurts. Let's *be prepared* for the heartache - and hopefully be very pleasantly surprised.

Not sure about y’all but the heartache is only from FA. Trades are historically our bread and butter. We’ve done well. Tonight is Christmas eve

Bartender, I'll have what he's having.

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Watching highlights of Luka to remind myself that there's a ton to look forward to even if the MBT Keystone Cops themselves again. In doing so, and seeing the synergy and chemistry with DFS, I need DoDo to be back with Luka and the Mavs this year, unless there's a clear-cut all-star coming back in trade.

Just don't set your sights too high. We can't do much worse than last offseason.

Milwaukee to Dallas: dirk
Atlanta to Dallas: luka

2 of the best trades made in the last 25 years and I’m counting we won those drafts as well. None of the other trades or drafts matter compared to results like that. Everything else is window dressing. We got our guy. Trust the people who have a championship track record

Bleacher Report says we want Gallinari. Website I've never heard of says Hield wants us.

My nightmare ("be prepared") offseason:

We trade all of Curry, Maxi, DFS, Brunson, 18, and 31 for Dinwiddie and Green in separate deals. We can't dump Wright in the process.

WCS opts out and leaves in free agency.

We chase Dragic with our MLE and lose out on other decent prospects in the meantime (he goes back to Miami on the cheap when we were offering him the full MLE). We try to keep Trey Burke, but he's already gone since we were waiting on Dragic. We bring back JJB to be our backup PG. We spend the full MLE on Meyers Leonard because there's no one left.

Luka/JJB
Dinwiddie/Wright (still in RC's doghouse)
THJ/Green/Jackson (couldn't dump him either)
Leonard/Powell
KP (injured most of the year since he doesn't have an adequate backup)/Bobi

We end up in the lottery, but the Knicks have our pick. Luka and Duffy demand a trade.

Hope that gave some of you a catharsis. Hope it isn't the case.

(11-16-2020, 02:38 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]My nightmare ("be prepared") offseason:

We trade all of Curry, Maxi, DFS, Brunson, 18, and 31 for Dinwiddie and Green in separate deals. We can't dump Wright in the process.

WCS opts out and leaves in free agency.

We chase Dragic with our MLE and lose out on other decent prospects in the meantime (he goes back to Miami on the cheap when we were offering him the full MLE). We try to keep Trey Burke, but he's already gone since we were waiting on Dragic. We bring back JJB to be our backup PG. We spend the full MLE on Meyers Leonard because there's no one left.

Luka/JJB
Dinwiddie/Wright (still in RC's doghouse)
THJ/Green/Jackson (couldn't dump him either)
Leonard/Powell
KP (injured most of the year since he doesn't have an adequate backup)/Bobi

We end up in the lottery, but the Knicks have our pick. Luka and Duffy demand a trade.

Hope that gave some of you a catharsis. Hope it isn't the case.

Still better than Harris' contract, Dipo's attitude/health/bball ability or Rubio's hair.

(11-16-2020, 02:46 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-16-2020, 02:38 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]My nightmare ("be prepared") offseason:

We trade all of Curry, Maxi, DFS, Brunson, 18, and 31 for Dinwiddie and Green in separate deals. We can't dump Wright in the process.

WCS opts out and leaves in free agency.

We chase Dragic with our MLE and lose out on other decent prospects in the meantime (he goes back to Miami on the cheap when we were offering him the full MLE). We try to keep Trey Burke, but he's already gone since we were waiting on Dragic. We bring back JJB to be our backup PG. We spend the full MLE on Meyers Leonard because there's no one left.

Luka/JJB
Dinwiddie/Wright (still in RC's doghouse)
THJ/Green/Jackson (couldn't dump him either)
Leonard/Powell
KP (injured most of the year since he doesn't have an adequate backup)/Bobi

We end up in the lottery, but the Knicks have our pick. Luka and Duffy demand a trade.

Hope that gave some of you a catharsis. Hope it isn't the case.

Still better than Harris' contract, Dipo's attitude/health/bball ability or Rubio's hair.

In the case of Harris, we're stuck on the treadmill of mediocrity, but we likely make the playoffs and Luka, although not pleased overall, doesn't demand a trade. Dipo would be a lot better than no 3 and no D Dinwiddie. Rubio would be better than all of the other three scenarios.

(11-16-2020, 03:15 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]In the case of Harris, we're stuck on the treadmill of mediocrity, but we likely make the playoffs and Luka, although not pleased overall, doesn't demand a trade. Dipo would be a lot better than no 3 and no D Dinwiddie. Rubio would be better than all of the other three scenarios.

All those options are turd sandwiches. No matter the type of bread, condiments or fixings, you are still eating a turd.

(11-16-2020, 12:40 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/HeatNationCom/status...6560197632

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I really don't think this means a thing.

I think that Donnie's masterplan is to unite all the former Union Olimpija Ljubljana players in 1 offseason!


Davis Bertans and Danny Green


The Dragon


Aron Baynes


Welcome to Dallas Danny! 

^^^^ So it was written, so it shall be.

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Also, since it's 5 am and I'm definitely sleep deprived, I'm going to throw out this wild idea and I'm gonna say I called it when it happens.

Rockets trade Harden to the Nuggets. 4 team deal. 

DEN: Harden+Tucker+Rivers
Hawks: Jrue Holiday+Will Barton+22
Pelicans: Russell Westbrook+Dwayne Dedmon
HOU: 6+13+ the next 4 draft picks from Denver w/ swaps+2022 OKC first from ATL+2023 NOP 2nd from ATL. Gary Harris+MPJ+ BolBol+Jaxon Hayes

Hawks send out- Dedmon(Dead money they're looking to get rid of) and 3 picks for Jrue. Pels send out 13+Holiday+Hayes for Westbrook. They get their star and replacement guard and Westbrook can go back to being the main guy. 

Denver spends the most. Sends out 5 picks, 4 going to Houston along with Harris, MPJ, Bol and they get the prize in the trade along with 2 solid replacement players. 

Houston gets 8 picks for Harden, 7 first rounders. They get a young up and comer in MPJ. A guy that can maybe be more if given the opportunity in Harris. They get off their 2 biggest contracts and also take a flyer on 2 big men.

(11-16-2020, 12:28 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Good lord that's confusing.

Breaking it down, he appears to have a 5-team series of deals:

Jrue and Love to Phoenix
13, 17,and a 2nd rounder to Atlanta
6, 5, and 13 to Minnesota 
10, Rubio, and Oubre to Cleveland (the 10 is implied for "moving back" with Phoenix)
1 to the Pelicans

So 6 of the top 17 picks are all changing hands, 13 is going to two different teams, and Phoenix is getting way more salary than they can possibly manage. That runs the full gambit of unlikely, impossible, and illegal.

Let's just say I'll believe it when I see it.

It is a bit confusing. But #13 is not going to two teams (NO are trading it to Minny and Minny to Atlanta). 

Nola: #1
Min: #6, #5
Atl: #13, #17
Pho: Love, Jrue
Cle: Oubre, Rubio, #10

I don't get why Nola would want to draft Ball so badly, as he is basically same player as his older brother.