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(11-17-2020, 03:26 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]4) Something else.

That covers it!!! 

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(11-18-2020, 09:10 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I think on the Hayward front the non-Atlanta option would probably be the Pacers. They would send Miles Turner for Hayward and Celtics might throw in at least one pick. Pacers have no 1st round pick this year and Celtics have too many. I don't think the Mavs are in the mix.

I am still betting my money on some kind of Oladipo move by the Mavs. I think you might be able to get him for THJ straight up on Thursday.

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Weds: Draft wing #18, trade Wright/Jax/#31 for a vet (Oubre, Tucker, or Green?)
Thurs: THJ for Dipo
Later: MLE on another vet or two (Gallo, Millsap will be out of Mavs price range)

I think this is close to what I’d predict.  I will leave out picks, though I suspect Indy will end up with at least one pick out of all this.  I see

Dipo-Alize Johnson to Dallas
Maxi/Wright to Indy

You could add Turner plus some salary to Boston for Hayward and make it a 3 way or you could let them work that out themselves as a S&T in the new season.  I’m not smart enough to figure out who gets what picks.

A Wall-Westbrook swap is not imminent, according to sources. But the fact that teams are having discussions that involve Wall should change the conversation about his deal, even if it is for another point guard in his 30s whose game is predicated mostly on athleticism and is also on a massive contract.

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(11-18-2020, 09:10 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I am still betting my money on some kind of Oladipo move by the Mavs. I think you might be able to get him for THJ straight up on Thursday.

I am fine with a buy-low, high-risk swing on Dipo as long as #18 is NOT involved (ok with #31). 

There is no market for him, so the Mavs better not outbid themselves. Play hard ball.

(11-18-2020, 10:02 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-18-2020, 09:10 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I am still betting my money on some kind of Oladipo move by the Mavs. I think you might be able to get him for THJ straight up on Thursday.

I am fine with a buy-low, high-risk swing on Dipo as long as #18 is NOT involved (ok with #31). 

There is no market for him, so the Mavs better not outbid themselves. Play hard ball.

Not happening, #18 is our only asset. We should jump on Dipo if he's available for #18 and fillers.

But the point is the value is so low you may not need 18.

(11-18-2020, 09:58 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is close to what I’d predict.  I will leave out picks, though I suspect Indy will end up with at least one pick out of all this.  I see

Dipo-Alize Johnson to Dallas
Maxi/Wright to Indy

You could add Turner plus some salary to Boston for Hayward and make it a 3 way or you could let them work that out themselves as a S&T in the new season.  I’m not smart enough to figure out who gets what picks.

I might be crazy - and I have been very wrong about a couple of things, recently, but I would be shocked if the Mavs ended up with Oladipo. I have gone out of my way to read up on him (local Indiana beat writers and national ones I respect) and without exception, those who know about him say some version of:

1. His injury was REALLY bad. Way worse than fans think. Like, worse than an Achilles injury, possibly, and DEFINITELY way worse than what's being rumored for Hayward 
   
2. He has been BAAAAAAD since coming back, and if he hadn't been "Oladipo" he would've lost his job by now. The consensus is that he's like the 4th best guard Indiana has now. 
   
3. There's lots of speculation that he's not a great person (though what the Indiana community thinks about this might not mirror what we'd think). 
   
4. The entire reason his name has been so in the news as a trade target is that he wants a new contract and Indiana does NOT want to give him one. I'm not saying he doesn't want to get out to a bigger market (he might) but even if they COULD sign him, they don't want to. Indiana wants him gone. 
   
5. Lots of skepticism that he'll ever again be a good player. LOTS. 
   

This would be Wesley Mathews 2.0, only way WORSE, because A) he'd cost more and B) at least Mathews played as hard as he could at all times. Oladipo has not played hard consistently at all, recently. 

If you can get him for something very small, like what you guys keep suggesting, and then treat him like an audition/rental, then that's not the end of the world, I don't guess, but I don't think that's what's being dangled out there to teams. If that DOES happen, I would view it as 100% a move to create CAP SPACE, not to bring in a good player. 

Remember when Andrew Bynum's career was over, and fans of every team (including the Mavs) kept expecting their team to sign him so he could be their savior? This went on for like THREE YEARS. Sometimes, the "name brands" of these guys are so big people just can't process the idea that they're done. 

I think Oladipo could be the single most underwhelming, disappointing move we could possibly see, especially for those who are NOT excited about being cap space players next off season.

Dipo would be an expirer. We’d get one season to see if he could return to form or not.

As long as they dint give up too much for him(18) it wouldn’t be a horrible idea.

Not any more than Heyward.

(11-18-2020, 10:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

1. His injury was REALLY bad. Way worse than fans think. Like, worse than an Achilles injury, possibly, and DEFINITELY way worse than what's being rumored for Hayward 
   
   
2. He has been BAAAAAAD since coming back, and if he hadn't been "Oladipo" he would've lost his job by now. The consensus is that he's like the 4th best guard Indiana has now. 
   
   
3. There's lots of speculation that he's not a great person (though what the Indiana community thinks about this might not mirror what we'd think). 
   
   
4. The entire reason his name has been so in the news as a trade target is that he wants a new contract and Indiana does NOT want to give him one. I'm not saying he doesn't want to get out to a bigger market (he might) but even if they COULD sign him, they don't want to. Indiana wants him gone. 
   
   
5. Lots of skepticism that he'll ever again be a good player. LOTS. 
   
   

This would be Wesley Mathews 2.0, only way WORSE, because A) he'd cost more and B) at least Mathews played as hard as he could at all times. Oladipo has not played hard consistently at all, recently. 

(11-18-2020, 10:18 AM)Drew Wrote: [ -> ]Dipo would be an expirer. We’d get one season to see if he could return to form or not.

Ok, but what if I told you that EVERYONE who covers that team or the NBA nationally have already DECIDED that he'll never "return to form"...do you really feel the need to pay for the privilege of "seeing that for yourself?"

What if I told you that 20 seconds after he got here, he'd start bitching about a contract extension? You know, because he's freaked out, because he KNOWS his time is almost up?

You can call Hayward injury prone, and my God, is that ever true. But, he RECOVERED from his major injury and it's behind him. And, when he's healthy, HE'S A GOOD PLAYER. I do not in any way consider Hayward to be as risky as Oladipo. 

THJ might be a better player than Oladipo. True story.

There are lots of players in the NBA. Let's go ahead and find healthy ones.

(11-18-2020, 10:23 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]There are lots of players in the NBA. Let's go ahead and find healthy ones.

(11-18-2020, 10:23 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]There are lots of players in the NBA. Let's go ahead and find healthy ones.

Very, very valid. 

And that's the knock on Hayward, I'll admit. 

If you are scared of Hayward for health, you should be WAY more scared of Oladipo. He has healed, and his body doesn't work the same way, anymore. He's a different player now, and only Indiana fans seem to have noticed. The smart media people have noticed, but even local beat writer types from other teams seem to be talking about him like he is a name brand. That guy is gone. 

When it comes to assets like #18, it's easy to overrate their value, BUT I submit that the Mavs NEED to make that value go as far as it possibly can. Whether they trade the pick, make the pick, trade up, trade down, whatever...my hope is that they make a move that actually makes them BETTER. I do not believe that Oladipo accomplishes that.

(11-18-2020, 10:29 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-18-2020, 10:23 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]There are lots of players in the NBA. Let's go ahead and find healthy ones.

Very, very valid. 

And that's the knock on Hayward, I'll admit. 

If you are scared of Hayward for health, you should be WAY more scared of Oladipo. He has healed, and his body doesn't work the same way, anymore. He's a different player now, and only Indiana fans seem to have noticed. The smart media people have noticed, but even local beat writer types from other teams seem to be talking about him like he is a name brand. That guy is gone. 

When it comes to assets like #18, it's easy to overrate their value, BUT I submit that the Mavs NEED to make that value go as far as it possibly can. Whether they trade the pick, make the pick, trade up, trade down, whatever...my hope is that they make a move that actually makes them BETTER. I do not believe that Oladipo accomplishes that.

I liked Hayward til I read that nerve damage thing. I'm out. I wasn't convinced on Dipo anyway. So I'm out. 

It's like we've all told budies in the past, and like we all should have told ourselves once upone a time at some point in our lives...there are more fish in the sea.

(11-18-2020, 10:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I have gone out of my way to read up on him (local Indiana beat writers and national ones I respect)

Bold claim. Do you want to cite your source articles, interviews, other evidence?

(11-18-2020, 10:22 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status...8742042626

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https://twitter.com/NBAKrell/status/1329086092495134722


Sixers fan hoping Lavine, but its probably Hield. I smell a Horford deal incoming.

(11-18-2020, 10:42 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-18-2020, 10:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I have gone out of my way to read up on him (local Indiana beat writers and national ones I respect)

Bold claim. Do you want to cite your source articles, interviews, other evidence?

No, but a lot of them have been posted (by several people) in this thread, for those who've been reading. I try to post stuff when I come across it, but I am NOT great at finding stuff quickly later on when it comes up in conversation, sorry. We have been discussing this non-stop for weeks, so I probably should've just let it go, because it's a Palestine/Israel argument, at this point. Nobody is changing their minds. 

You are free to blow this off. I'm not the only one who feels this way. It's not a tinfoil hat theory at all. 

I sincerely hope that this is Fish using Oladipo's name to change the hopes of casual fans into clicks. I hope the Mavs aren't really about to trade their one and only significant draft asset for Victor Oladipo.

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(11-18-2020, 10:47 AM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]Sixers fan hoping Lavine, but its probably Hield. I smell a Horford deal incoming.

OMG, Hield would fit there so, so well.

Heild for Horford and picks would be great. Take another team out of the mix. Harden to either Brooklyn or Boston