(10-17-2020, 08:22 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 01:40 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Of course if they could trade #18+Wright+Powell for Dipo that would be even better.
Even better would be Wright+Powell+Jackson for 1990's era Jordan in his prime!
Yeah, the moment I see Powell in a deal, I stop reading. It isn't going to happen before other teams see him in game action.
I don't disagree regarding THJ making some sense for Indy. But, they have a guy in Lamb making $10mm who could start at SG. Also, Brogdon is tall enough to play the big guard position next to a smaller PG like Holiday or McConnell (we saw it in Milwaukee). I think Maxi fills the bigger need and saves more money. Indy's only pick this draft is #54, so getting into the mid first would be something they'd covet.
The other thing trading Maxi for expiring Dipo does is reduce 2021 salary. If you assume a secondary deal involving Wright for an expiring player, you suddenly have Giannis money in 2021. Of course, it would cost you losing THJ and Dipo. But, you were always going to have to jettison some current rotation players to get to Giannis money. Or, maybe you go for Jrue in free agency if Dipo doesn't work out. Of course, the best situation of all is Dipo plays well and you keep him and THJ and WCS and Holiday and Young for a while longer.
Here's a trade that gets the offseason rolling:
Bos in:
Embiid
Bos out:
Hayward/#14/2021 first/2023 first
Phi in:
Harden/Curry
Phi out:
Embiid/Richardson/#34/2021 first
Hou in:
Hayward/all the picks
Hou out:
Harden
Dal in:
Richardson
Dal out:
Curry
We help facilitate Houston's rebuild because the 3-way doesn't work straight up money-wise Embiid for Harden for Hayward...Harden makes too much.
This happens after NY gives all the assets they can for Westbrook.
(10-17-2020, 10:42 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a trade that gets the offseason rolling:
Nope, this is a trade that would make the offseason boring. You basically did all the offseason moves in one trade
(10-17-2020, 10:52 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 10:42 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a trade that gets the offseason rolling:
Nope, this is a trade that would make the offseason boring. You basically did all the offseason moves in one trade
No sir! We still have CP3 to Mil for Bledsoe/Ilyasova/Watson/2020 first/2023 first
Then Oladipo to Brooklyn
RoCo and Tucker to Dal
Gobert to Orl for Vucevic
OPJ to Dal
GSW needs to unload their draft pick and prob Wiggins somehow
Aldridge to Sac for Hield/12
DeRozan somewhere for a pick
This is gonna be a big movement summer!
(10-12-2020, 11:29 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2020, 11:35 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2020, 07:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, we’ve talked it all to death.
For giggles, I just read through an off season thread on an Orlando Magic Forum. I wanted to see what the current temperature is on Isaac and his injury. Let me tell you all this: there are far worse teams to be following right now than the Mavericks. Those dudes are miserable.
I'd love to flip Powell and Jackson for Gordon and make their life just a bit more miserable when RC has him starting living up to his potential lol.
As a fall back option, I'd love to flip those guys into AG as a sort of reclamation project.
You are severely underrating Aaron Gordon's market value. He is not a guy they have to dump for our trash. Magic can get back a good player or two and/or pick(s) for AG if they decide to move him which they don't have to do right now. He still has 2 years left on his deal at very reasonable money.
Sorry for the super delayed reply... But I believe you are over valuing it.
AG has been a mediocre player at best on a 20 mill a year deal. Highly inefficient as well.
Word on the street last trade deadline was that they were trying to move on from AG and couldn't find any takers. Literally nobody wanted him. Now there are obvious reasons for that. It's harder to do a deal in season salary matching wise... and Gordon himself is a project. It's not going to be a fit in season so why trade anything helping you now?
I mean it's anecdotal but it's pretty telling that it is known AG was/is on the trade block, Mavs have a forward need, and fans here aren't really wanting him. We love OPJ around here even so our standards aren't high lol. Even I said he's a fall back option. And I've openly wanted him for years.
(10-14-2020, 08:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2020, 08:32 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]For the record:
I almost 100% support how the Mavs approach team-building and give them the benefit of the doubt in almost every instance....
...BUT how they often treat the draft pisses me off. And I do not understand how they do not seem to learn from their mistakes there over the years.
I agree in a general sense. I’m just not sure this is the year to get pissed off about it.
To add to this... We've had a lot of time to sit here and dissect prospects. I think it's a decent crop of depth but it's not a super strong draft class. Additionally less tape, less workouts, etc make it harder to evaluate.
Additionally less development time this offseason makes it that much harder to have them contribute. And the Mavs are hoping to be as good as possible for FA next summer, regardless of Giannis. Lots of good talent there.
And lastly this is one of the few times in the next few years we'll actually be able to trade the first and teams are probably a bit more desperate due to financial issues.
It's a great time to be a buyer I think.
Just a guess based on al the reports, but I think the Mavs are not wanting to sit tight here and just hope for Giannis to fall in their laps. But I do think they are keeping an eye on it and going to maintain flexibility for him and others.
I think the current plan would be to have roughly enough room to sign Giannis to a max on a flat cap while also having a 3rd starter in place already.
It's not too hard to accomplish all that. Assuming a flat cap, you'd have somewhere around 32 mill to fill out the roster (still needing to account for minimum cap holds) if you trade everyone except DFS, Luka, KP. So 8 rookie minimums. You got 25-28 mill to fill out your roster depending on cap (and my rough math)
Obviously Kleber and Curry are great value guys and are easy movable after the fact if they are still on the team in free agency. Really Wright and Powell are the only problems.
I'd guess the Mavs would be looking to spend about 20-25 mill on that third starter spot and leave yourself room for a cheap player or 2 to slide in with the rest of the cap space.
Theoretically you could trade for someone like a Jrue or Dipo and get them agree to take a bit less than max (or maybe they won't be getting max offers) and have them fit.
A trade for Lavine if possible is the optimal scenario IMO based on his salary and skillset. That allows you to likely keep one of Kleber and Curry, while getting your 3rd piece and then a pitch to Giannis or whoever in free agency.
Just an idea of how a trade might work for Lavine.
Dallas gets Lavine, contracts needed for cap matching
Third Team gets Curry
Chicago gets Brunson, Third team's 1st rounder (20 or 21), 18 and 31 (Brunson's contract is tiny so he can go to 3rd team if needed)
Dallas potential cap matching contracts going out are Wright, Powell, Brunson, Curry and Jackson if needed.
It works with Philly as the 3rd team giving up Zhaire Smith to Chicago and Scott back to the Mavs with Powell/Wright and Jackson to Chicago.
LAL as the third team with Wright and Curry to Lakers and Green to the Mavs makes alot of sense too. They need quality backup guard play and shooting. Lakers wound send pick 28 to Bulls.
Of course you than could argue why Lakers or Philly doesn't trade for Lavine themselves if he's available.
The lack of reports at this point suggests to me that the ESPN report on the player option deadlines for THJ and WCS being today was inaccurate.
(10-17-2020, 05:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]The lack of reports at this point suggests to me that the ESPN report on the player option deadlines for THJ and WCS being today was inaccurate.
Yep...now we get to speculate for a long long long time...
Originally, I wasn't fond of the Oladipo trade at all because of his quadriceps tendon rupture. As one doctor says,
its slightly worse a torn ACL. But, after watching his 2019-2020 highlights, it seems he is playing and moving well enough to forget what occurred.
One thing that stuck out to me was his 2-man play with Sabonis. Oladipo with KP would be phenomenal along with Powell. His very patient in how he creates for himself, even in the last seconds of the 24, he delivers. I'm starting to fall for his skillsets.
However, Oladipo said his "a pacer".
Denied the rumor's of wanting to get traded out. They have great starters in TJ Warren, Turner, Sabonis and Brogdon. With Pacers having only one draft pick at #54, they're looking to keep the core and see a different coached team could turn it around.
(10-17-2020, 05:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]The lack of reports at this point suggests to me that the ESPN report on the player option deadlines for THJ and WCS being today was inaccurate.
You have your answer on this, you just aren't buying it for some reason.
It´s probably a good thing that the Mavs rarely leak any information and no one around the league really knows what they are doing but it also makes it really hard for us fans to even discuss free agency and the draft. The delayed season makes it even worse.
(10-17-2020, 07:23 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 05:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]The lack of reports at this point suggests to me that the ESPN report on the player option deadlines for THJ and WCS being today was inaccurate.
You have your answer on this, you just aren't buying it for some reason.
Come on, man. There was a report, just days ago, on ESPN that today was the day.
I guess you just don't buy ESPN for some reason. On a certain level, I don't blame you.
(10-17-2020, 08:23 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 07:23 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 05:58 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]The lack of reports at this point suggests to me that the ESPN report on the player option deadlines for THJ and WCS being today was inaccurate.
You have your answer on this, you just aren't buying it for some reason.
Come on, man. There was a report, just days ago, on ESPN that today was the day.
I guess you just don't buy ESPN for some reason. On a certain level, I don't blame you.
I never saw that mentioned in the ESPN Insider story that opened on the link I looked at. I certainly could have missed it, but if it was there, it was outdated information that predated the draft being moved to November.
Regardless, I’ve posted at least half a dozen times that the final option date will be after the draft. It always is. There are specific players with earlier dates in their contracts, but the final option date is always after the draft. One of the more interesting details of setting all the dates for things is they literally have to set a date for every option that had a contract clause for a June date that is earlier than the draft. Teams negotiated those dates for specific reasons and the league has to try to be true to the intent despite the consolidated schedule.
(10-17-2020, 06:26 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: [ -> ]Originally, I wasn't fond of the Oladipo trade at all because of his quadriceps tendon rupture. As one doctor says, its slightly worse a torn ACL. But, after watching his 2019-2020 highlights, it seems he is playing and moving well enough to forget what occurred.
One thing that stuck out to me was his 2-man play with Sabonis. Oladipo with KP would be phenomenal along with Powell. His very patient in how he creates for himself, even in the last seconds of the 24, he delivers. I'm starting to fall for his skillsets.
However, Oladipo said his "a pacer". Denied the rumor's of wanting to get traded out. They have great starters in TJ Warren, Turner, Sabonis and Brogdon. With Pacers having only one draft pick at #54, they're looking to keep the core and see a different coached team could turn it around.
Well, it's not really about what Oladipo wants if he gets traded tbh. If Indiana trades him, it's because they expect they won't re-sign him next year. And they may feel Brogdon makes him expendable and they want to improve their team at other positions.
(10-17-2020, 11:18 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 06:26 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: [ -> ]Originally, I wasn't fond of the Oladipo trade at all because of his quadriceps tendon rupture. As one doctor says, its slightly worse a torn ACL. But, after watching his 2019-2020 highlights, it seems he is playing and moving well enough to forget what occurred.
One thing that stuck out to me was his 2-man play with Sabonis. Oladipo with KP would be phenomenal along with Powell. His very patient in how he creates for himself, even in the last seconds of the 24, he delivers. I'm starting to fall for his skillsets.
However, Oladipo said his "a pacer". Denied the rumor's of wanting to get traded out. They have great starters in TJ Warren, Turner, Sabonis and Brogdon. With Pacers having only one draft pick at #54, they're looking to keep the core and see a different coached team could turn it around.
Well, it's not really about what Oladipo wants if he gets traded tbh. If Indiana trades him, it's because they expect they won't re-sign him next year. And they may feel Brogdon makes him expendable and they want to improve their team at other positions.
Well given that he´ll be a free agent in six months, it kind of is. Only a stupid team would trade for him without some reassurances. Unless his trade value is so far in the toilet that even a rental is still beneficial.
(10-18-2020, 12:22 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 11:18 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 06:26 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: [ -> ]Originally, I wasn't fond of the Oladipo trade at all because of his quadriceps tendon rupture. As one doctor says, its slightly worse a torn ACL. But, after watching his 2019-2020 highlights, it seems he is playing and moving well enough to forget what occurred.
One thing that stuck out to me was his 2-man play with Sabonis. Oladipo with KP would be phenomenal along with Powell. His very patient in how he creates for himself, even in the last seconds of the 24, he delivers. I'm starting to fall for his skillsets.
However, Oladipo said his "a pacer". Denied the rumor's of wanting to get traded out. They have great starters in TJ Warren, Turner, Sabonis and Brogdon. With Pacers having only one draft pick at #54, they're looking to keep the core and see a different coached team could turn it around.
Well, it's not really about what Oladipo wants if he gets traded tbh. If Indiana trades him, it's because they expect they won't re-sign him next year. And they may feel Brogdon makes him expendable and they want to improve their team at other positions.
Well given that he´ll be a free agent in six months, it kind of is. Only a stupid team would trade for him without some reassurances. Unless his trade value is so far in the toilet that even a rental is still beneficial.
I mean the rumor is that a mid-1st can get him, I'd say that qualifies as the toilet in relation to where he was before.
(10-18-2020, 01:01 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]"I'm a Pacer, man,"
Nice guys say nice things to the media. It doesn't mean they are true, it's business. Basically whole league and all Indiana beat writers are buzzing that he doesn't want to extend (his extension is less than max) and that he is interested for other destination next season. That's why it makes sense for Indy to trade him, unless they think they can go all the way with the current team - which I doubt. Their team is expensive and they probably can't afford his max anyway.
Because he is allegedly not giving any assurances to anyone he will resign, his price is low.
I’ve heard/read that Oladipo is a Miami guy in the off season. Something about his music career, I think. I feel like that’s where he wants to end up, but I also don’t think he’s big enough to dictate where he plays like Giannis can, for example. Maybe Miami wants him, maybe they don’t.
(10-17-2020, 08:35 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 08:22 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2020, 01:40 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Of course if they could trade #18+Wright+Powell for Dipo that would be even better.
Even better would be Wright+Powell+Jackson for 1990's era Jordan in his prime!
Yeah, the moment I see Powell in a deal, I stop reading. It isn't going to happen before other teams see him in game action.
I don't disagree regarding THJ making some sense for Indy. But, they have a guy in Lamb making $10mm who could start at SG. Also, Brogdon is tall enough to play the big guard position next to a smaller PG like Holiday or McConnell (we saw it in Milwaukee). I think Maxi fills the bigger need and saves more money. Indy's only pick this draft is #54, so getting into the mid first would be something they'd covet.
The other thing trading Maxi for expiring Dipo does is reduce 2021 salary. If you assume a secondary deal involving Wright for an expiring player, you suddenly have Giannis money in 2021. Of course, it would cost you losing THJ and Dipo. But, you were always going to have to jettison some current rotation players to get to Giannis money. Or, maybe you go for Jrue in free agency if Dipo doesn't work out. Of course, the best situation of all is Dipo plays well and you keep him and THJ and WCS and Holiday and Young for a while longer.
No way do I include Maxi in a trade for anything less than a guaranteed superstar. He has too much value on the court(and on the payroll). Even if he didn't have the best playoffs offensively, the lineup flexibility he allows for was a big part of our success last season. Plus he has good off-court chemistry with our most important player.
I'd sooner trade Brunson than Maxi. They could then use some of the MLE for someone like Burke, whose value in the playoffs we've already seen. I like Brunson but I don't think he'd be terribly missed if we had a Luka/Dipo/Burke/Curry guard rotation.