(11-07-2020, 10:27 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The bad news is that our generational talent is 21 years old.
Everyone should go look at guys like Lebron, MJ, Kobe, etc, and see how long it took them to A) make the playoffs. B) win the championship. It's going to take longer than some think. The Mavs will very likely not be true contenders before Luka signs his extension. That's just how it is, my dudes.
I'd just point out again to the idea that we are too young to win because of Luka's age.
This is like his 6th year of being a pro. Sure the competition is much higher in the NBA. But it matters big time. Luka has been honing his craft full time since he was a teenager. I'd think the mental game has been worked on too. Not to mention the younger you start learning things the easier it is to master.
I'd say 9/10 the guys taking a while to finally win would be one of two things. Either the team was bad for years and tanking and they had to change the culture or they just didn't have the right roster pieces.
I don't think our culture ever went negative like it did in Philly who I still think they aren't recovering from. So the latter is making sure the roster is in the right place. That's a big one. But doable. Most teams aren't able to trade for a 2nd legit star for very little either.
(11-07-2020, 02:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 11:56 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]The reason I like to think about the legit-ness of a source is because I enjoy trying to figure out what the Mavs are thinking.
So much this.
People are not taking this guys ideas as a fan spit-balling. He is claiming to be an insider with real info and insight.
For instance why this matters:
Now we have people on this forum questioning whether the Mavs are close to contending or if anyone wants to play with Luka because this anonymous guy on a internet forum like us says that the Mavs are desperate and want CP3 but CP3 wouldn't go to the Mavs.
My take on CP3 and the Mavs:
I don't think the Mavs would want CP3 and his locker room alpha anywhere near a developing Luka. That feels like the by far more likely scenario.
Lol on believing some rando on the internet at all.
First off the idea Bucks are even willing to listen on Giannis when all the major guys report differently? Strike one on that guy being full of it.
Secondly Paul has 0 say in where he goes. So it doesn't matter if he doesn't want to go to the Mavs.
(11-07-2020, 07:37 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd just point out again to the idea that we are too young to win because of Luka's age.
It's nowhere near all about HIS age, though.
A) the NBA game is different enough. Yes, he had a head start through past experience, and yes, he might continue to hit milestones earlier than we expect. At this point, nothing will shock me with this kid. But, come on...do you really expect him to outplay Lebron or Kawhi in next year's playoffs? I think that's LUDICROUS. I think THEIR experience trumps HIS by a significant margin.
B) It takes time for the TEAM to gain experience TOGETHER. That's just as important. Maybe more important, tbh.
I'm not trying to put myself in the position of arguing AGAINST my team, but I think it's premature to call them contenders. I wouldn't expect them to be one of the top 4 teams in the West next year, tbh. It's just my opinion. Obviously I'll be thrilled if they exceed expectations. I'll need to see one person on the roster besides Luka who can actually create offense before I drink that kool aid though.
Some more RealGM message board rumours from an alleged Kings insider.
Atlanta and Boston:
A Hayward deal between both teams is likely. The 2020 picks are in play, but Atlanta only offers Dedmon so far. Boston wants Capela to strengthen their frontline, but is unwilling to part with Theis. Atlanta is under pressure to win now, would like to add Hayward, Theis and another piece.
Brooklyn:
Contrary to some reports the Nets are pretty quiet. Nash wants to feel out the current roster. Biggest headache for Nash is the starting center position. Some people within the organization believe a possible trade will be driven by a decision on Jarrett Allen rather than Caris Levert.
Charlotte:
They like Edwards the most, but don´t expect him to be there at #3. Don´t expect them to take Lamelo. It will be Wiseman or Avidja as Jordan prepares for another tanking season. They are happy to wait for their cap to be clean for the first time in ages.
Chicago:
Nobody knows with them. The new management has been very quiet as they evaluate all their options with Donovan. One surprising rumour had them offering #4, Lavine, Markkanen and two future 1sts for Beal.
Cleveland and Sacramento:
Kings, amongst several teams, have made inquiries about Drummond. Less interest in Love. Cavs owner is still committed to winning. Their draft pick is secretly available. They have discussed some trade options with the Kings centered around Hield, Barnes and Drummond.
Dallas: As usual the Mavericks are looking to strengthen immediately, but 2021 remains their priority. Teams have made calls on Kleber and Curry, but find the Mavs reluctant to part with either.
Denver and New York: They had to install an emergency hotline for MPJ as several teams try to take advantage of their bloated cap. They are ready to increase his role. The Nuggets still hope to agree on a new deal with Millsap. That likely means Jerami Grant is on the way out as they had brief discussions centered around a deal for Taj Gibson. League insiders feel that means Knox days in New York are numbered as Thibs doesn´t like his lackadaisical attitude.
Detroit and Phoenix: The Pistons hope to grab a guard in the draft to build around with Kennard, Wood and their 2021 pick. They have made Griffin available as they fear the positional clash with Wood, could cost them their only bright spot. A possible Suns deal would center around Rubio and Oubre for Griffin, but the Suns are uncertain about how it might upset their locker room, where Rubio has emerged as a leader.
Golden State: They have spread so many rumours that nobody knows what they will do. Though most think they won´t take Wiseman, if they keep their pick.
Houston: Owner is not willing to spend big and their recent front office decisions have been driven financially. Teams are aware and try to low-ball them with offers. Don´t expect them to salary dump Westbrook or Gordon.
Indiana: They are barely getting calls on Oladipo, as teams are playing a waiting game. They want to see him play. Atlanta remains an option as Travis Schlenk is under pressure to win now and might say screw it. A package would center around Huerter and Hunter.
Los Angeles Lakers: Teams are not interested in Kuzma or Green as centerpieces for a "star". Lakers have turned their attention to Gallinari at the mid level.
Los Angeles Clippers: Clippers think Harrell´s erratic play and behaviour in the bubble will help them to agree on a new deal. Beyond that they´d like to upgrade PG, not Paul George, point guard. Though their assets are limited a rumour around Rose and Shamet is persistent.
Memphis: They are just happy to grow from within. Don´t expect anything.
Miami: Pat Riley has no concerns regarding their 2021 cap situation and Giannis. They´ll extend Dragic and Crowder. Meyers-Leonard and Jones Jr. are likely gone.
Milwaukee: CP3 remains their top target, but Presti is playing hard-ball and the Bucks would have to find a different home for Bledsoe. Bucks are uncertain how much of an upgrade Oladipo would be over Bledsoe, but might do it just for the sake of appearing active for Giannis.
Minnesota: The Mavericks have expressed some interest in Josh Okogie, but have a rocky past with the Wolves GM. Not much else happening as the Wolves owner still looks to sell the team. They´ll keep their young core and the roster costs down for potential buyers.
New Orleans: They value Holiday´s leadership and he has not forgotten they stood by him during tough times. Some within the Pelicans feel that it´s time to cash in on Holiday and hand the keys to Lonzo Ball. The most likely destination appear to be the Knicks.
Oklahoma City: CP3. CP3. CP3. Most assume that the Thunder will be sellers, but don´t be surprised, if they go the other direction. They just want to know whether Paul and Gallinari would be on board.
Orlando: Teams have a hard time getting a read on the Magic. Fournier has drawn the most interest and some teams would like to take a flyer on Bamba, but the offers have been underwhelming.
76ers: Silence so far as Morey and Rivers are plotting their next moves. Embiid and Simmons are off-limits.
Portland: There has been a rumour around a return of Aldridge, but a person with knowledge of the situation said that will not happen in a million years. Blazers will look to bring back Melo, but find it difficult to upgrade their roster.
San Antonio: Teams are ready to vulture Derozan and Aldridge, but the Spurs are reluctant to do Popovich dirty. If Pop retires at the end of the season, expect a lot of activity at the trade deadline as the Spurs enter a rebuilding period.
Toronto: Much like Miami they will roll over their roster in anticipation of the Giannis sweepstakes. Ujiri remains their ace.
Utah: They have been encouraged by Conley´s bubble play. The COVID incident has been resolved, but they are still pretty far apart on the Gobert contract extension. Utah will not offer him the supermax, but they are still confident to agree on an extension. They won´t hesitate to trade him, if they hit a dead end. Though it´s unclear where.
Washington: They have given up on trading Wall, so they are focusing on Bertans, Bradley and Beal, which have been net positive players. They actually like their core more than most front offices around the league would hope.
That CBS report brought up THJ for Danny Green.
Great idea but wrong name.
My most likely trade of the offseason for any team is Danny Green for Delon Wright.
Say what you want about Danny Green but he's still a really solid defender and decent shooter. Delon Wright just doesn't fit here despite being a good player. Rondo sounds like he may be leaving.
It'd make a ton of sense for the Lakers to also send pick 28 and get back someone like Justin Jackson too. That helps their wing depth and he can even play a little 4 like he does here.
Mavs meanwhile can take 18, 28, 30 and move up into the lottery.
(11-07-2020, 08:01 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]My most likely trade of the offseason for any team is Danny Green for Delon Wright.
I'd do that deal, if Wright can't get you something great in a package. That would definitely be a cap space move, but he could help you for a year.
(11-07-2020, 07:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 07:37 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd just point out again to the idea that we are too young to win because of Luka's age.
It's nowhere near all about HIS age, though.
A) the NBA game is different enough. Yes, he had a head start through past experience, and yes, he might continue to hit milestones earlier than we expect. At this point, nothing will shock me with this kid. But, come on...do you really expect him to outplay Lebron or Kawhi in next year's playoffs? I think that's LUDICROUS. I think THEIR experience trumps HIS by a significant margin.
B) It takes time for the TEAM to gain experience TOGETHER. That's just as important. Maybe more important, tbh.
I'm not trying to put myself in the position of arguing AGAINST my team, but I think it's premature to call them contenders. I wouldn't expect them to be one of the top 4 teams in the West next year, tbh. It's just my opinion. Obviously I'll be thrilled if they exceed expectations. I'll need to see one person on the roster besides Luka who can actually create offense before I drink that kool aid though.
Well you never know with Lebron. He has to slow down at some point. And I do wonder with the short offseason if this is the year Father Time catches up to him a bit. But until then.. He's the king.
I'd argue Luka already has outplayed Kawhi in the playoffs.
But it's not about even outplaying those guys. Those are all time greats and best 2 way player in the league. Is Luka ever at that level? No idea. It doesn't matter. He doesn't have to outplay anyone. It's a team game and if the team is better, I think the Mavs would win. It's a matter of whether he can do what he has to in the playoffs. And for him that's generate offense at an insanely high level. I have 0 reason to think that he doesn't continue to do that in the playoffs. He torched the clippers with a rag tag group of guys.
I get what you are trying to get it. It's the only school mentality of having to earn it and get that experience. I think experience is important and I think Luka has a ton of it already. It's not the exact experience that you are wanting but I think it's extremely applicable.
I think the bigger issue of those teams not being ready to win is not having the roster. I don't recall many instances of rolling it back being the answer for teams hitting the wall. They either change it up and power thru or they continue to hit the wall like Milwaukee is right now. Like Toronto did before and then made major changes and broke thru.
That being said... This roster isn't close to being good enough to contend. I don't think the Mavs are contenders next year no matter what they do. I think it's next summer after they add an additional piece in free agency. We arguably need 3 long term starters but at least 2. We need a #1 type guy off the bench. We need better big depth (WCS might be the guy there but big ?). We need more guys to attack the rim and not stand around waiting for a shot. We need better defense across the board. You are looking at 3 or 4 major pieces which is next to impossible in one offseason without cap space.
On the other hand, Lakers also had a deeply flawed roster and managed to win with pure star power. So there's that idea if you want to believe it.
(11-07-2020, 08:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 08:01 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]My most likely trade of the offseason for any team is Danny Green for Delon Wright.
I'd do that deal, if Wright can't get you something great in a package. That would definitely be a cap space move, but he could help you for a year.
Yeah I'd prefer including Wright in a bigger deal but those deals don't always materialize.
But I think Wright is gone from Dallas and I think Green is gone from LAL. Both teams are looking for what the other brings.
(11-07-2020, 08:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'd do that deal, if Wright can't get you something great in a package. That would definitely be a cap space move, but he could help you for a year.
Guys, LAL are looking to get better, not worse... Green was an ok starter on a contender, Wright couldn't make the playoff rotation. No way LAL does that deal let alone add pick to it.
(11-07-2020, 07:56 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Some more RealGM message board rumours from an alleged Kings insider.
Thanks for this, interesting stuff
The draft part of the Atlanta guy
MIN has been aggressively trying to move down while over aggressively wanting to get the most for their buck. They have made it clear they want a future 2021 1st from a team they think will be a lottery team next year and yes, Atlanta is one of them. No one has bit. That may change. They really want in for 2021 but they want a high-quality pick. They are not willing to move back for GS own 2021 1st. The value of the 2021 1st round pick is seen as extremely high.
They are targeting teams they believe will be lottery teams. Ball seems to be the player they are targeting the most mainly due to trade value. There is a chance Ball could be the pick and he would not play a min in MIN.
[b]NEW[/b]: This is probably the biggest deal on this list. This is hot off the presser. Jrue Holiday has become the target and there is a lot of interest from New Orleans and MIN. The only thing is Jrue must be willing to sign an extension as soon as he’s eligible which they (the NBA) are working on the date atm.
His extension could be nearing max range which will mean MIN has three max players under contract. The question is, does it make sense for MIN to have three max guys and still you have questions if this is a playoff team. There is a lot more to this potential deal than what I currently have so keep a look out for this deal.
This also highlights what I been hearing from NO of them looking for PG’s and seeing Lonzo Ball as a quick passing guard like Haliburton is getting seen as. Lonzo is Melo ying to Melo’s yang. This is big news.
GS has been doing the same as MIN but a lot more open to pick swap and higher end young player than MIN. GS is really pushing for a deal with CHI, CLE, DET, and ATL. CHI just lacks all interest as does CLE. As I’ve mention, the name that has been mention has been Kevin Huerter. For CLE, Collin Sexton and from CHI, Lauri M and L. Kennard from DET. If they stay, they could go in so many directions. Wiseman is NOT a lock is what I just recently got.
[b]NEW[/b]:
GS knows three things right now is what he directly got for GS.
1. The talent in this draft is very good even if the players are not there yet or even close.
2. No one in this draft will start next year for them.
3. The biggest need is depth, and their biggest issue is salary.
As mentioned already, they are targeted trading back to add depth, but they do like the talent @2 if they cannot get the players they covet. Golden State likes Ball, Wiseman, Deni, and Edwards the most. They also like Haliburton, Hayes, Bey, Toppin, and Okongwu. He told me today to not be surprised if GS moved back twice as he feels GS been extremely aggressive even more of late for the draft. GS only position where they like their depth in at PF. There is a lot of interest in a trade down with both ATL and DET. Especially ATL due to Kevin Huerter contract (2 years – rookie deal).
CHA has been the most likely of the top 5 teams to keep their pick but even they are looking at all options. If Wiseman is here, expect him to be the pick but Okongwu and Toppin also have a case.
[b]NEW[/b]: The presumption is Wiseman will be the pick. There has been talk of Okongwu being the pick over Ball, but he thinks that’s smoke. Okongwu has been making major inroads to the point he is the top guy on DET board now.
CHI is the team that MOST wants to move down between the 6-9 range and have been in talks with NY, WAS, ATL, and DET to move down on salary relief. It is clear they want a PG more than anything but would consider more than anything.
[b]NEW:[/b] He basically said he is hearing that Hayes or Haliburton is the choice here. Especially Hali if they want to start either with LaVine or White. He also said this could be Okongwu trade lane if you are willing to pay a major premium (14th overall pick swap, #26, with a lottery protected Boston 2021 1st). Atlanta has not been open to moving up to #4 for the price CHI wants.
CLE is fine with staying at 5 as they are down to three players: Deni, Okoro, Vassell are all players they are targeting. The lean here is Deni from what is being said but there is serious interest in Okoro as well. That opens the door for trades if they can get one that sensible. Cleveland wants to be aggressive this year in FA which is unusual for a rebuilding team. They are target resigning and they want extend Drummond.
ATL is the main chess piece on the board due to them not having any major needs while having a win now mindset but wanting to get the best player long term. Within the org, you got some that want Atlanta to move up to get Ball, Edwards, and even some for Wiseman.
You also have those who want Atlanta to trade back and add a quality rotational vet and a pick swap. No key player is available for #6 that is not a rental and Atlanta does not want a rental for this pick, which is different than a month ago, but Gordon Hayward was not in the picture back then. Because of Hayward, Atlanta could go any direction in this draft. Up, Down, or Stay. If they stay: Hayes, Deni, Obi, Okongwu, and Okoro are the targets. Due to Hayward, I personally think moving up might be their move.
[b]NEW:[/b] Okongwu seems to be slipping but the others seem to be the targets at #6. If anyone is starting to get more of a late push, it is Killian Hayes. When there is such a wide net that is cast so close to the draft, that usually means this team is prime to move down. In this case, Atlanta could go any direction. This is another Okongwu trade zone with a cheaper cost than #4. There is a good chance we do not know who the final team at this spot is like #4 last year.
DET is targeting PGs but Ball is their top guy. They really are not interested in the cost to move up for him from MIN and would rather move a key young player and pick swap for Ball aka GS. They also love Wiseman as well. Okongwu is also on their board. They are looking at a lot of things for trades but moving down is not that high unless all their guys are gone. If there is a team that is willing to move up to 1st overall, it is Detroit, but the price might be too steep.
[b]NEW:[/b] Okongwu is their top guy right now. After that, PGs like Lewis Jr, Hayes, and Haliburton are in the convo. DET is a team that could be on the move up. Especially considering #6 could be Okongwu land after trades.
NY really does not mind moving up to eat salary, but they are not interested in trading picks. They want to keep #27 and they want to keep all their future 1st rounders.
[b]NEW:[/b] NY is a difficult read. So many guys appear on their radar like Williams, Maxey, and others while the typical guys who are already in this range are also here. Remember what I said about a wide casted net. He said to me, he does not know what NY is going to do at all. This could be a trade up spot for a PG of your choice depending on the actions of others. Many have locked them into Obi Toppin, but I would not be too sure to do that either. Thibs is going to take the best Thibs player. Personally speaking, I think Vassell will be the pick. He is the most Thibs player in this draft aside from Okoro.
WAS is all in on Okongwu. They have even made a solid offer to Atlanta where we would get Troy Brown Jr. and a 2nd rounder. This has been considered very appealing to Atlanta depending how the board falls. If they do not land Okongwu, expect this to be a trade back hot spot. There are still players on the board teams are targeting where moving up will be extremely intriguing.
PHX is hoping Killian Hayes drops to them but if he does not, Kira Lewis Jr. could be the pick at this spot. PHX is clearly looking at PGs. It was assumed they were all in for FVV, but it seems like the interest has dampened as well as their interest in moving Oubre.
My top 10 mock without trades:
1. MIN – Ball
2. GS – Wiseman
3. CHA – Edwards
4. CHI – Haliburton
5. CLE – Deni
6. ATL – Toppin
7. DET – Okongwu
8. NYK – Vassell
9. WAS – Achiuwa
10. PHX – Hayes
My top 10 mock with trades:
1. MIN (NO) – Ball – Holiday for Ball and salary filler.
2. GS (ATL) – Edwards – Huerter and 6 for #2.
3. CHA – Wiseman
4. CHI – Haliburton
5. CLE – Deni
6. ATL (WAS) – Okongwu – Troy Brown Jr., #9, #37 for 6
7. DET – Hayes
8. NYK – Okoro
9. WAS (GS) – Toppin
10. PHX – Kira Lewis Jr.
(11-07-2020, 08:15 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 08:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'd do that deal, if Wright can't get you something great in a package. That would definitely be a cap space move, but he could help you for a year.
Guys, LAL are looking to get better, not worse... Green was an ok starter on a contender, Wright couldn't make the playoff rotation. No way LAL does that deal let alone add pick to it.
(11-07-2020, 07:56 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Some more RealGM message board rumours from an alleged Kings insider.
Thanks for this, interesting stuff
And Green was not on the floor during crunch time in the finals very often. It was Rondo and Caruso.
Wright played very well here. He couldn't make the rotation because he didn't fit with Luka.
Green almost was sent to the Mavs at the deadline last year for cap space. Nothing about his playoff pay suggested that he was in the lakers long term plans. KCP is the easy replacement for him at SG and they can get a PG or SF (depending if they want Lebron at PG still) to fill out the starting 5.
I'd argue that half the Lakers rotation couldn't crack our rotation last year. ha
D Green for sure could be in play for something.
(11-07-2020, 08:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Wright played very well here.
I strongly disagree with that. No matter how you think someone played, Green impact was still far better than Wright and Wright wage in 2 seasons is actually higher than Greens. The only realistic possibility for Mavs to get Green is in a three team trade. I am not paying THJ for him as it was suggested in the article, that is nonsense.
(11-07-2020, 08:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Green almost was sent to the Mavs at the deadline last year for cap space.
Nope, it was a three team idea. Lakers were not sending him to Mavs, they were sending him to Knicks as a salary filler for Morris and Mavs would pay something to Knicks to get Green instead of them. Mavs would send Lee (plus asset) to Knicks. Knicks chose to deal with Clippers, as you know.
(11-07-2020, 08:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]KCP is the easy replacement for him at SG
KCP was starting at SG after Bradley was out and Green was a SF. Whole season.
(11-07-2020, 08:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 08:01 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]My most likely trade of the offseason for any team is Danny Green for Delon Wright.
I'd do that deal, if Wright can't get you something great in a package. That would definitely be a cap space move, but he could help you for a year.
Lakers wouldn't.
Not terribly interested in Danny Green. He looked like he lumbered quiet a bit when he moved in the bubble.
(11-07-2020, 05:27 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 04:55 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/maver...hird-star/
Thanks for sharing this.
One of the more interesting points they make is that a trade with NY for #8 could involve something that uniquely helps both teams -- the future protections on the pick Dallas already owes them. Not only could that have some value to NY, but it also frees up Dallas to trade their own future picks more easily without the Stepien rule getting in the way. So a base offer of 18, 31, and removing protections on the future 1 (likely with some other player included) to move up to 8 might be a really interesting move.
Interesting stuff. Something else to throw into the mix...Leon Rose was Brunson’s agent in a former life.
Luka took a team of 5-8 players and pushed a stacked team to 6 games...there was also a report that was why a certain coach got fired...Luka is already in his prime skill wise and BBIQ...
We got him a Unicorn...now we need to get him at least a #3 and #4 starters if possible...1 dynamic playmaker and 1 stud defender...
(11-07-2020, 08:51 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting stuff. Something else to throw into the mix...Leon Rose was Brunson’s agent in a former life.
Since we showed them how to play THJ and he is also expiring now, I am sure they can give us #8 and take him back. I am sure they will need max space in 2021 as max agents are already lining up to play for them
We fill the hole with Fournier, draft Vassell with #8 and Nesmith with #18.
(11-07-2020, 08:54 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Luka took a team of 5-8 players and pushed a stacked team to 6 games...there was also a report that was why a certain coach got fired...Luka is already in his prime skill wise and BBIQ...
We got him a Unicorn...now we need to get him at least a #3 and #4 starters if possible...
Can't believe it took Luka to expose the obvious.
(11-07-2020, 08:54 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Luka is already in his prime skill wise and BBIQ...
I disagree, and I think this is selling him way short. I think he’s going to continue to improve for the next 8-10 years.
(11-07-2020, 08:49 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 08:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Wright played very well here.
I strongly disagree with that. No matter how you think someone played, Green impact was still far better than Wright and Wright wage in 2 seasons is actually higher than Greens. The only realistic possibility for Mavs to get Green is in a three team trade. I am not paying THJ for him as it was suggested in the article, that is nonsense.
(11-07-2020, 08:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Green almost was sent to the Mavs at the deadline last year for cap space.
Nope, it was a three team idea. Lakers were not sending him to Mavs, they were sending him to Knicks as a salary filler for Morris and Mavs would pay something to Knicks to get Green instead of them. Mavs would send Lee (plus asset) to Knicks. Knicks chose to deal with Clippers, as you know.
(11-07-2020, 08:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]KCP is the easy replacement for him at SG
KCP was starting at SG after Bradley was out and Green was a SF. Whole season.
I'm not sure how you can argue that Wright didn't play very well here. even in the playoffs his #s were solid and efficient with the limited time he had. He was right in line with his career #s on a per minute basis except for points. One of his higher rated defensive seasons, 2nd highest efficiency season.
We expected starter and he was the normal backup guard he always was. And a dang good one. But when you struggle when on the floor with Luka or better put that the team struggles with you. That's a problem.
I realize it was a 3 team deal. But the Mavs were paying a 2nd round pick and cap space for him if that rumor was true. that's a trade into just cap space. Teams don't care about 2nd round picks. And we have no idea what protections were on that pick. The yard included as fake 2nds all the time. It doesn't matter if it was a 3 team deal. Lakers didn't want to pay Kuzma and so they walked.
I mean we are arguing semantics at this point on what position he was playing. But I'd say Bradley was the PG as the secondary ball handler with Lebron as the main guy driving the offense. And Lebron was always the 3. He was always defending forwards.
They did the best with that they had for sure. But I'd think they would like to go back to a secondary playmaker and defender as their other guard with KCP based on how much Caruso and Rondo were playing with the main guys especially late in the playoffs.
Wright is an excellent replacement for Rondo.
Lakers will have to use MLE to keep Rondo IMO. maybe not all of it but they don't have bird rights and he'll probably get more than the peanuts he was making last year.
To me barring a big trade, the most likely Lakers moves are fortifying their rotation via trade and MLE split between 2 guys or one.
That's why I also mentioned Justin Jackson as being a fit due to positional flexibility and lack of forward depth on lakers.
But this whole argument comes down to you thinking Delon is absolutely worthless and terrible here. And I think that is way off base. But to each their own.
(11-07-2020, 08:51 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 08:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 08:01 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]My most likely trade of the offseason for any team is Danny Green for Delon Wright.
I'd do that deal, if Wright can't get you something great in a package. That would definitely be a cap space move, but he could help you for a year.
Lakers wouldn't.
Not terribly interested in Danny Green. He looked like he lumbered quiet a bit when he moved in the bubble.
I think the most likely reason the Lakers don't do that deal is if they use Danny Green for salary matching in another deal with Kuzma.
I still have a hard time seeing Kuzma, pick 28, Green, whoever for salary filler getting any sort of deal for a good player done. Perhaps that is a SNT type deal for someone. That's the only thing I can think of working for him.
Ideally tho Mavs are using Delon's salary in another deal anyways. So I hope that doesn't happen. The Mavs desire to get Danny Green and the lakers low value placed on him (based on the trade deadline rumor/news) makes me think it's a very likely fallback possibility for both teams.
Put it this way. I think neither player is on their current team next year and both are just salary fillers in other trades.
(11-07-2020, 09:09 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 08:54 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Luka is already in his prime skill wise and BBIQ...
I disagree, and I think this is selling him way short. I think he’s going to continue to improve for the next 8-10 years.
Dirk in his Prime continued to improve his game until 2011 when he did what he wanted on the court and no defender or coach could stop him...
If you are the odds on favorite to win MVP you are in your prime...being in your prime does not mean you can't continue to improve and add to your toolbox...
Yeah, so I guess we just have different definitions of the word “prime” when used in this context. Not really important.
Luka isn’t going to win the MVP this season, btw.