(11-01-2020, 06:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]@"DanSchwartzman" when is the deadline for opt-in/out and when is the draft? I thought the opt-in deadline was before the draft?
The standard is always after the draft. There are some players who contractually agreed to an earlier deadline. The league literally has to set a date for each player in this situation. WCS and THJ have standard opt out date contracts. My guess is it will be the 19th.
(11-01-2020, 03:28 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]What would be best would be to use Curry+Wright+pick. This move would make our cap hit neutral, so we are still just one Powell move from max cap space in 2021. We need to include pick because of the Wright contract. Perhaps 31 would be enough.
I agree that swapping Curry + Wright for Bogdonavic (at the same money) would be ideal in terms of both cap space minutes. Curry to Sacramento makes sense, as he's a similar shooter on a much cheaper contract. Maybe Dallas could move Wright to a 3rd team and possibly get an asset to sweeten the pot for Sacramento.
On a related note, has anyone heard any rumors about if/how Golden State plans to use that big Iggy trade exception before it expires? It seems to me they'd be happy to take a contract if it helps their bench.
(11-01-2020, 06:17 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2020, 06:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]@"DanSchwartzman" when is the deadline for opt-in/out and when is the draft? I thought the opt-in deadline was before the draft?
The standard is always after the draft. There are some players who contractually agreed to an earlier deadline. The league literally has to set a date for each player in this situation. WCS and THJ have standard opt out date contracts. My guess is it will be the 19th.
Hmm ya so THJ isn't going to get traded draft night. Even if he or anybody says they intend to opt-in that isn't going to work for a draft-night trade. That further solidifies the idea that draft night the guy getting traded is Wright + maybe filler (Jackson).
(11-01-2020, 06:18 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe Dallas could move Wright to a 3rd team and possibly get an asset to sweeten the pot for Sacramento.
I don't think anyone would take Wright in cap space and provide asset. No way. Perhaps Detroit - Wright to Detroit, Snell, Curry to Sacramento.
(11-01-2020, 06:18 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]On a related note, has anyone heard any rumors about if/how Golden State plans to use that big Iggy trade exception before it expires? It seems to me they'd be happy to take a contract if it helps their bench.
Huge amount of rumors. Forget Wright or anything we have. They are aiming for much better players and they have #2. One popular is A.Gordon for #2. Oubre +#10 for #2 makes a lot of sense for both teams.
(11-01-2020, 06:39 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2020, 06:17 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2020, 06:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]@"DanSchwartzman" when is the deadline for opt-in/out and when is the draft? I thought the opt-in deadline was before the draft?
The standard is always after the draft. There are some players who contractually agreed to an earlier deadline. The league literally has to set a date for each player in this situation. WCS and THJ have standard opt out date contracts. My guess is it will be the 19th.
Hmm ya so THJ isn't going to get traded draft night. Even if he or anybody says they intend to opt-in that isn't going to work for a draft-night trade. That further solidifies the idea that draft night the guy getting traded is Wright + maybe filler (Jackson).
The way I'd put it is THJ controls whether he is traded on draft night. The Mav's tried to do this with Monte a few years ago and he refused. The key (if they want to do this at all) is sending him somewhere he wants to be with an opportunity to secure his future. Winning team with an extension pre-negotiated...he probably says yes.
(11-01-2020, 06:18 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]swapping Curry + Wright for Bogdonavic
I LOVE Curry but I would be IN for this I think.
Compared to the other trade THJ is worth 18, 31, Korki, Philly 2nd and DFS lol.
(11-01-2020, 07:51 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2020, 07:47 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]THJ is worth 18, 31, Korki, Philly 2nd and DFS lol.
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Ya, this trade doesn't even cover their biggest need in shooting. In light of the other trade, this one is a no from both teams.
Why should Dallas give up DFS to take on a huge salary in Harris? He definitely did not earn that salary last season. I believe he would play better in Dallas and would probably thrive in the starting lineup as a stretch four, but doesn’t seem like a fair trade from my pov.
Please, I'm begging you all. Make the terrible Tobias nightmare stop.
(11-01-2020, 03:28 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2020, 02:41 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]What might the impact of a hurried off-season be? Fewer bids for RFA's? Free Agency will be over during the two days money is tied up. How about unrestricted free agency
I find it unlikely, that players will be signing below the market contracts. There is always an option to resign with your current team. Look at Gallo for example. Let's say tanking teams are not looking to sign him for big money. But I am quite sure he can resign with OKC in the 12-14 per range. This can be SnT or a later trade. OKC would look at such a contract as an asset. Perhaps Gallo is a bad example, I just can't see him sign for MLE. If he will, I just can't see him sign with such discount outside of a clearcut contender.
I think guys like Gasol, Whiteside, Teague, Favors, Bazemore, Thompson, Harkless and Milsap won't see more than MLE this offseason.
Good players like Davis, Ingram, Ibaka, Dragic, Morris, Clarkson, Grant, FVV, Harris, Bertans, Harrell, Beasley and Bogdanovic will get higher than MLE offers from their current teams.
(11-01-2020, 03:00 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder what sign and trade iterations there are that might be appealing to SAC in order to get Bogdan around $15M. Certainly SAC would be interested in turning Bogdan into something positive for them....
I think Sacramento will have to decide between Bogdan and Hield first. If you are trading Hield, paying 15 per for Bogi is not terrible for them. If they are keeping Hield, I would SnT Bogi for best offer.
I would say Wright+Jackson+#18 is a fair offer from Dallas perspective, but I doubt it is from Sacramento one. I see the following problems though:
1. Is Bogi really good enough to be our long term solution at SG? I would prefer a better defender. I am also not trading THJ for Bogi.
2. Sacramento already has an overpaid back up PG in Joseph, who is similar bad fit for us as Wright.
3. Sacramento needs are at SG and SF positions. SF is a no go for us, we are not trading DFS.
This means we can either use Wright and motivate them with picks to take him. Alternatively we could use Curry (he would be useful for them), salary filler and a minor pick. Bogi would eat into Curry minutes anyway.
What would be best would be to use Curry+Wright+pick. This move would make our cap hit neutral, so we are still just one Powell move from max cap space in 2021. We need to include pick because of the Wright contract. Perhaps 31 would be enough.
This trades kinda work valuewise for me. But we are giving up assets to upgrade our SG backup.
Bogi can't play SF. Luka, THJ, Bogi is even more aweful defensivly than Curry, THJ, Luka. THJ as benchpiece didn't work.
We have specific needs - Bogi doesn"t help them, isn't enough of a differencemaker to be worth the effort and not enough of an asset.
RFAs tend to be overpaid if they change teams. Assetwise or salarywise.
Chiming in on the last 1.5 days of chatter... I don't see a scenario currently being discussed that would prompt the Mavs to voluntarily remove themselves from the possibility of signing GA outright. There isn't a team with cap room for '21 that gives him better teammates or chance to compete for championships than Dallas. This isn't plan powder... this is plan Luka/KP recruiting. KL has been dead on... this is the last chance to add a Luka/KP prime FA. It has to hit if this era is going to be all it can be. If '21 FA busts, then it is on to the JuHow plan of over the cap trades that incrementally make us better.
The Harris trade is not something that would be considered in lieu of cap room... that is a deal you make over the cap. Honestly, it is a deal that will be available to be made every year remaining on that contract.
The Bogi trade is interesting. I like the player, and at 15M, the contract isn't terrible. That said, I like Curry at 8M more than I like Bogi at 15M. Especially when thinking of adding another big player in '21... cap flexibility will be at a premium and having some nice value contracts will be important and if GA comes, Curry's shooting will be perfect. If Powell was outgoing, I would consider it, but I can't see Sac doing that. I would be reluctant to trade Curry/Maxi/DFS unless it was to be the last hurdle to bring in the star in '21.
I feel that this will be an offseason that we don't shake things up that much. Pull in a rental or two - maybe solid vets. Draft a couple of wings with 3D potential.
I would like to throw out a name that hasn't been talked about much, but could be a great value on an expiring deal. OPJ. If he has recovered from his injury, he would be amazing here. A really nice player who would be a terrific fit at SF here as a two way player. Not sure what it would take to get him - and we don't have a ton to offer that saves them money, long term, as OPJ is expiring. I am interested him as a player, though - actually moreso than Hayward. He would be able to push THJ to SG. Also, if he returns to form, he could be used at the TDL or offseason (as a snt) to acquire another player long term.
(11-01-2020, 11:48 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]Chiming in on the last 1.5 days of chatter... I don't see a scenario currently being discussed that would prompt the Mavs to voluntarily remove themselves from the possibility of signing GA outright. There isn't a team with cap room for '21 that gives him better teammates or chance to compete for championships than Dallas. This isn't plan powder... this is plan Luka/KP recruiting. KL has been dead on... this is the last chance to add a Luka/KP prime FA. It has to hit if this era is going to be all it can be. If '21 FA busts, then it is on to the JuHow plan of over the cap trades that incrementally make us better.
The Harris trade is not something that would be considered in lieu of cap room... that is a deal you make over the cap. Honestly, it is a deal that will be available to be made every year remaining on that contract.
The Bogi trade is interesting. I like the player, and at 15M, the contract isn't terrible. That said, I like Curry at 8M more than I like Bogi at 15M. Especially when thinking of adding another big player in '21... cap flexibility will be at a premium and having some nice value contracts will be important and if GA comes, Curry's shooting will be perfect. If Powell was outgoing, I would consider it, but I can't see Sac doing that. I would be reluctant to trade Curry/Maxi/DFS unless it was to be the last hurdle to bring in the star in '21.
I feel that this will be an offseason that we don't shake things up that much. Pull in a rental or two - maybe solid vets. Draft a couple of wings with 3D potential.
I would like to throw out a name that hasn't been talked about much, but could be a great value on an expiring deal. OPJ. If he has recovered from his injury, he would be amazing here. A really nice player who would be a terrific fit at SF here as a two way player. Not sure what it would take to get him - and we don't have a ton to offer that saves them money, long term, as OPJ is expiring. I am interested him as a player, though - actually moreso than Hayward. He would be able to push THJ to SG. Also, if he returns to form, he could be used at the TDL or offseason (as a snt) to acquire another player long term.
Signing or trading for longterm contracts doesn´t mean that they won´t go after Giannis next year. They will have to clear capspace but depending on the players they add that shouldn´t be difficult. It is not necessary to enter free agency with a max slot as long as Giannis really wants to sign with the Mavs. That´s the only thing that matters.
As long as they sign or trade for players on expiring deals with the sole purpose of having max capspace next summer it is still plan powder.
(11-02-2020, 12:08 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Signing or trading for longterm contracts doesn´t mean that they won´t go after Giannis next year.
Harris would mean they couldn't do that, and so many other things.
Yes, VALUE contracts like the ones Curry, DFS and Kleber are on can be moved any time you want. To clear someone like Harris would require MAJOR assets and just the right (crazy) trade partner.
(11-02-2020, 12:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2020, 12:08 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Signing or trading for longterm contracts doesn´t mean that they won´t go after Giannis next year.
Harris would mean they couldn't do that, and so many other things.
Yes, VALUE contracts like the ones Curry, DFS and Kleber are on can be moved any time you want. To clear someone like Harris would require MAJOR assets and just the right (crazy) trade partner.
Exactly... add to it that if you want Harris, a trade for him could be available after adding the FA. If you add him first, you're basically done. Cap management.
Also, I am not sure the Mavs would like Harris as a 3 with GA/KP... Just sayin' no at this point. I like harris, and his game. I don't like him as much as I would adding GA or an elite wing. If I had those players onboard, and I wanted to add him, its just Mark's money at that point. Go for it - he doesn't hurt you. Good guy, doesn't have to have the ball to be effective, rebounds, spaces the floor. He just isn't a plus defender and is DAMN expensive.
(11-02-2020, 12:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2020, 12:08 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Signing or trading for longterm contracts doesn´t mean that they won´t go after Giannis next year.
Harris would mean they couldn't do that, and so many other things.
Why? Miami needed to create more than 30 mio in caproom to sign Butler and they had no problem. Same for the Warriors when they signed KD.
Would it require some assets to get rid of him if he doesn´t improve compared to the last season? Yes. Is it impossible? No.
Let´s say Harris has a solid season and scores 18-20ppg/ shoots 38-40% from 3. That´s basically what he did in 2018 and 2019. He still has negative value because that´s not worth a max deal but add a few picks or good value contracts (Maxi, Seth, DFS) and the Mavs could easily do it.
Personally I am not a fan of Harris as a player and just used him as an example for any longterm deal that might be available. Whatever Donnie and Cuban did in the last few years has changed the way we think. Based on Donnies/Marks history they won´t risk it but we as the fans can at least acknowledge that other options exist and teams don´t need a max slot to sign a big free agent as long as they are creative and smart.
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