(11-24-2020, 06:12 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently.
I have literally, and that was LITERALLY until about an hour ago, never heard anyone argue that you are not injured from the moment you start missing time with an injury. That the counter only starts with a surgery.
What if you miss the whole NBA play-offs with an high ankle sprain? What do you call that? An early paid summer vacation?
Yeah, apparently it is. Your claim was KP rehabilitation will last twice as long as normal, which is not true.
There is nothing abnormal in KP injury treatment. First they tried if it will heal without surgery. Didn't work so after a month or whatever time was between injury and 9th of October, they went to surgery. NORMAL rehabilitation time from meniscus tear repair SURGERY (not injury!!!) is 3 months. Just as much as KP will have.
If KP would play through pain for 2 more years before he decided for surgery it would not mean, that his reabilitation time was 2 years and 3 months...
(11-24-2020, 06:12 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Probably a bad idea to try to help, but, I it's pretty clear that you guys are talking about two different things.
Not really. He is claiming time from injury to fully healed should be three months and that KP healing is not going well, because this will last 6 months instead of "normal 3 months". What I try to explain to him is that "normal 3 months" is time from surgery till full rehabilitation.
(11-24-2020, 05:47 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]So...
This board seemed pretty happy about trading Seth Curry for Josh Richardson. Yes, we give up a little shooting, but we gain significantly on the defensive end.
But when it comes to Buddy Hield, suddenly we're trying to get back Seth. Gain some shooting at the expense of a little better defense by THJ.
Not consistent.
Maybe it's just that Hield is the shiny new toy...
Exactly why Bogdanovic never made sense. The assets needed for these guys are nowhere near worth it
(11-24-2020, 06:22 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly why Bogdanovic never made sense
In my opinion, Hield has one elite skill - shooting. Bogdanovic has none. He is ok defender, he can facilitate some (but not great), he can shoot but also not great. I think Bogdanovic is a sixth man on a contender, therefor way overpaid at Atlanta offer. Hield on the other hand, is a starter. Yes, he is bad defensively so others would have to cover for him, but he is an absolute elite shooter.
(11-24-2020, 06:28 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2020, 06:22 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly why Bogdanovic never made sense
In my opinion, Hield has one elite skill - shooting. Bogdanovic has none. He is ok defender, he can facilitate some (but not great), he can shoot but also not great. I think Bogdanovic is a sixth man on a contender, therefor way overpaid at Atlanta offer. Hield on the other hand, is a starter. Yes, he is bad defensively so others would have to cover for him, but he is an absolute elite shooter.
Bogdan makes the most sense in my opinion. Shoots well and runs the pick and roll well. He'd punish teams for overcommitting to Luka in the crunch. This board and Mavs seems obsessed with a third star but you need the right type of person who can take a big seat to the other two guys (see Bosh). I think Bogdan is fine being the 3rd piece.
Hield elite skill is so good that I think it's worth kicking the tires on. He is a much larger risk than Bogdan as he has some personality issues.
(11-24-2020, 05:11 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2020, 05:06 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Nah I don't think THJ had an outlier year, I expect him to do well again, maybe even better. That's bc the outlier is playing with an all-time great in Luka Doncic.
You say that, but then why didn't THJ play like his 40% 3pt new version self over 14 games in the bubble?
Now again, don't get me wrong, I like THJ. I think he is a valued scorer and he has the ability to get scorching hot. The ultimate heat check. But it's a bit disconcerting seeing THJ already take a step back when it mattered most in the playoffs and everyone thinks that THAT is the outlier and not the efficient shooting he had.
To answer your question its a concern but very small sample size. Paul George is a 6 time all-star and he played terrible. It happens. If THJ underperforms in the playoffs then ya its an issue. That's why I am team Buddy Hield. I don't know if he will be better in the playoffs but I think he's an overall more talented player than THJ.
(11-24-2020, 06:28 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2020, 06:22 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly why Bogdanovic never made sense
In my opinion, Hield has one elite skill - shooting. Bogdanovic has none. He is ok defender, he can facilitate some (but not great), he can shoot but also not great. I think Bogdanovic is a sixth man on a contender, therefor way overpaid at Atlanta offer. Hield on the other hand, is a starter. Yes, he is bad defensively so others would have to cover for him, but he is an absolute elite shooter.
Okay, but by this logic, we shouldn't have traded Seth for JRich. Seth's absolute elite shooting would be far more valuable than JRich's marginally better defense.
(11-24-2020, 05:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2020, 05:47 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]So...
This board seemed pretty happy about trading Seth Curry for Josh Richardson. Yes, we give up a little shooting, but we gain significantly on the defensive end.
But when it comes to Buddy Hield, suddenly we're trying to get back Seth. Gain some shooting at the expense of a little better defense by THJ.
Not consistent.
Maybe it's just that Hield is the shiny new toy...
THJ is a liability on defense. Just as Hield or Curry. He might be a little bit better on the ball but he is the worst team defender on the current Mavs roster.
I don't get @"DallasMaverick" line of reasoning. Mavs shored up their starting lineup with Richardson by trading our 6th man shooter type in Curry. The idea of Hield is that you get a better shooter in THJ's spot in the starting lineup. Hield is an elite shooter and scorer. I am not sure the Mavs could get him for THJ straight up. I think his market value is tough to figure out but it's probably higher than THJ unless they are just ready to move on.
So in my hypothetical scenario THJ is absolutely worth swapping for Hield. You can always flip him later in my opinion bc there aren't enough elite shooters in the league.
Realistically he will cost something more, not sure what that is exactly but the asking price could get too high.
1. Collect the right expiring contracts around our core(flexibility at the deadline)
2. Shuffle those around at the deadline if needed(protection from a bad THj or Johnson etc season)
3. Go into the post-deadline part of the season that if everything goes well we re-sign everyone (best bang for our buck in asset management)
4. Ability to pivot and sign Giannis/Paul George(keeps skin in the game)
5. Ability to pivot and sign Gobert(the becomes plan A if KP gets hurt again)
Mavs want a third star but I think that's going to be a tough ask. The next best thing is a 3rd 20 ppg scorer and that would put you in the Hield, LaVine, Dinwiddie, Oladipo conversation. All 4 of those guys have shown they can score. You can have conversations ab each one. LaVine is probably the priciest to get as he has shown the most skills in terms of scoring. I think Hield is the sweet spot of probably not too hard to get but gives you elite shooting. Dinwiddie can score but isn't elite outside.
My guess is that sooner or later Mavs will make a play for one of these types. We saw speculation all offseason ab each of them. Mavs can get one at the trade deadline or possibly make a play for one of these guys in 2021. In 2021 Hield still has 2 years left, LaVine only one, Dinwiddie will opt out and Oladipo will also be free.
THJ is sort of the fallback option. Good fit on the team, has shown the ability to score but feels like a guy you can upgrade, especially when you have to decide whether to pay him more money in 2021.
(11-24-2020, 07:27 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]4. Ability to pivot and sign Giannis/Paul George(keeps skin in the game)
5. Ability to pivot and sign Gobert(the becomes plan A if KP gets hurt again)
4. Paul George is interesting - probably won't happen but I would make a play for him if he was available. I think he is a bit of a head-case but he has a very high floor so you could move him pretty easily if it didn't work out.
5. This Gobert idea ppl are in love with around here isn't going to happen. Certainly not with KP around. I think it's a risky idea too to ship KP off, you probably aren't going to get fair value back (ie Beal). Ppl need to be patient with KP, it's been one season. Let's see how next season goes.
I'm all in on the Hield train, but THJ absolutely HAS to be involved in the trade. Feels weird saying this, but I believe Hield played better defense last season than THJ, and of course he is the better shooter (THJ was our least reliable shooter in the playoffs). THJ had better handles and shot creation, but since J-Rich is here, Hield wouldn't need to do that much handling here. Maybe we have 16 players on the roster because it would be a 2-for-1.
Brunson + THJ for Hield?
Doncic/Burke/Barea
Hield/Terry/Hinton*
Richardson/Iwundu/Green
DFS/Kleber/Johnson/Bey*
(KP)/(Powell)/WCS/Boban
* 2-way
Would give Burke/Barea/Terry a lot more of playing time, but I don't hate it if Giannis re-signs.
I think the fact that Hield has about 12 mil in unguaranteed contract incentives, essentially making his contract 4/82 mil that's heavily frontloaded the first year is a huge factor as well.
Hield isn't as expensive as I once thought. In the summer of the Giannis sweepstakes, as long as Hield isn't an All-star, or the Mavs don't make the finals, Hield will only cost 19,068,163 (according to Spotrac). If the Mavs stay pat, their current salary in the summer of Giannis will be a smidge under 80 mil, putting them right at Giannis' max. By swapping THJ+Brunson, the Mavs would need to clear 17 mil from the books to go after Giannis. Kleber+Powell does it.
Kleber+DFS+Burke barely gets there if they make one of the 2nd round picks non guaranteed.
If the Kings accept THJ+Brunson+Powell, then the Mavs just need to get rid of Kleber. There are a lot of permutations to this. Point is, getting buddy doesn't take you out of the Giannis race, and adds a lethal 3pt shooter next to Luka. Plus if we can keep him, then we have a Luka/KP/Buddy core we can sell to Giannis, all players that enhance his strengths and hide his weaknesses.
I would probably do Brunson and THJ as they would probably want some young asset in return. It would leave a hole on the bench but I think it would be worth it.
I am sure the Mavs wouldn't consider this while Giannis is still out there. I hope once that shoe drops they might be more willing to pull the trigger on this type of trade.
The conspiracy theorist in me says Mavs are taking 16 to camp bc they are keeping the door open for a Brunson trade that nets them a player upgrade, especially if Giannis signs the supermax which would make them more willing to take on 2021 money. JJB could be thought of by MBT as a Brunson replacement if Brunson gets moved.
Seems crazy the Kings wouldn't match and trade Bog later. It makes me think they want to reboot which means they might be open to moving off Hield as well.
(11-24-2020, 08:24 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Seems crazy the Kings wouldn't match and trade Bog later. It makes me think they want to reboot which means they might be open to moving off Hield as well.
If I would be guessing I would say one part of Kings management (probably McNair) wants to move on from Bogi, other part (owner) wants to keep him.
(11-24-2020, 08:21 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]are reportedly "still discussing" whether they want to match the four-year, $72 million offer sheet Bogdan Bogdanovic signed with the Atlanta Hawks, per Sam Amick of The Athletic, though they are "leaning strongly towards not matching."
They have until 11:59pm. Leave it to the Kings to let an asset like Bogdon go for free.
They need to match Bog and trade Hield to Mavs tonight!
(11-24-2020, 08:31 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]If I would be guessing I would say one part of Kings management (probably McNair) wants to move on from Bogi, other part (owner) wants to keep him.
Ranadive is a big Buddy fan for sure. He definitely meddles in team building decisions, normally for the worse.
In either case, it makes no sense for the Kings to not match Bogi. If they want to move on from Buddy anyways, Bogi is just another trade asset at the end of the day.
Maybe they don’t really think Bogi is worth it and would prefer to move on with other players. I don’t see anything with him that is worth $72 million.
Why would the kings not turn Hield into at least one first round pick? Every trade we’ve seen this offseason proves that’s the currency. Which picks are you trading and which young player we just drafted are we giving up for him?