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(11-24-2020, 11:46 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2020, 11:41 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]That post was made wearing a terry rockets jersey  

You cut me deep, JET. You cut me real deep.

(11-24-2020, 09:50 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Omahen, what you're missing out on in your exchange with Mavs2019 is that, while he sometimes has some great opinions, humor, and basketball talk, his favorite pastime is bludgeoning the MBT. His old user name was Mavs2012 (after the dire missteps of the 2012 offseason) and now it's Mavs2019 (after another apocalyptically bad offseason). He's attacking them for the KP trade in this conversation, which making the injury/rehab situation narrative as bad as it can possibly get allows him to do.

Surprisingly I actually chose my usernames simply based on the year it was, when something happened to my former accounts. They have absolutely no deeper meaning. I also don´t think the 2019 off-season was apocalyptically bad. That´s projecting your opinion on others. I´m very happy wiith the 2020 off-season, too.

I´m just not closing my eyes to certain realities, because of blind homerism. If Porzingis was a Rockets player, nobody here would argue about the length of his injuries. I was stating facts about Porzingis time at the Mavericks so far. If you think that´s hating, then that´s your choice.

I´m in favour of the trade. I´m in favour of the Mavs taking ultra precaution with Porzingis. That does not change the fact that this is he exact reason the Knicks didn´t want to pay Porzingis and pulled the trigger on the trade. Not some hollow threat to sign the QO or causing problems with the FO.

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(11-24-2020, 10:52 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2020, 10:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2020, 10:05 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2020, 09:50 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Omahen, what you're missing out on in your exchange with Mavs2019 is that, while he sometimes has some great opinions, humor, and basketball talk, his favorite pastime is bludgeoning the MBT. His old user name was Mavs2012 (after the dire missteps of the 2012 offseason) and now it's Mavs2019 (after another apocalyptically bad offseason). He's attacking them for the KP trade in this conversation, which making the injury/rehab situation narrative as bad as it can possibly get allows him to do.

Mavs2011 is all that matters. MBT got it done and they will again. Trust

They should have CTC - to Ty, and then to you and Kidd.

Correct. CTC. We wouldn’t have won again but it was the right move. 

Really. How do you know that. We were in plenty of those Thunder games, who went on to go to the finals. All while we lost Chandler, JJB, Stevenson and Butler for nothing. We sign a shooter to replace Peja and we still have a real shot in 2012. To me we had the same window as the Rockets in the mid-90s. We´d have had the same institutional knowledge to get into the play-offs in a lockout season and then just make a run regardless of the seed, similar to the repeat Rockets team.

Last Buddy post for a while but his last liked twitter was this one, which was tonight at 9:30

Seems like Buddy isn't too happy the Kings let Bogi walk forcing him to be there for longer...

https://twitter.com/bluewirepods/status/...8313114627

Listening to Bill Simmons this morning with Jacke MacMullen, and they were noting that Kyrie, Gordon Hayward and Al Horford just walked away from the Celtics rather than resign with them ... Simmons said he believes word has gotten around the league that Danny Ainge is absolutely ruthless and will trade you the minute he can get 10 cents more on the dollar for you, noting that the Celtics were already shopping around Kemba. But then Simmons said he thinks Dallas is the other franchise in the league where players feel that way. MacMuillen said she knows that other agents around the league didn't like how chummy the Mavs front office was with Fegan

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/11/25...orst-moves

 

[b]Jonathan Tjarks:[/b][b] [/b]The Mavs. They pulled off the rare double feat of significantly improving their team next season (by adding Josh Richardson and James Johnson) while also clearing out cap space for next offseason to chase Giannis Antetokounmpo. Don’t sleep on Richardson. He struggled in Philadelphia but could be the perfect piece next to Luka Doncic.

[b]Mann: [/b]I love Dallas sending Seth Curry to Philly for Josh Richardson. Richardson gives Luka some defensive support with size on the perimeter (and shooting), while Curry is a fantastic fit on paper with what the Sixers appear to be aiming at. (I also think both teams dominated the draft.) Memphis snagged multiple usable pieces for its future by drafting Desmond Bane, Xavier Tillman, and Robert Woodard. And if you look at what Atlanta offloaded and who they’re bringing in, its net gain could be among the highest in the league next season.

[b]O‘Connor:[/b] The Mavericks acquiring Josh Richardson went overlooked because it happened the same day Klay Thompson got hurt [i]and [/i]it happened in the middle of the second round of the draft. But Richardson adds a ton to the Mavericks with his ability to defend both guards and wings while also providing secondary shot creation. Richardson had a lost season with the Sixers, but that was a dysfunctional offense in which no one really fit. The last time we saw him on a coherent team was in 2018-19 with the Heat, when he looked like a promising young two-way player.

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https://theathletic.com/2220821/2020/11/...a-win-win/

I also think it was a tough year for Richardson for a couple of other reasons. The first, which was a big one, is that he was just in and out of the lineup seemingly all year long. From a right hamstring injury to a left hamstring injury to a concussion, Richardson’s status shifted a lot, and he never seemed to quite get back in the same rhythm he had at the start of the year. I’m also not sure Brett Brown’s pick-and-roll scheme did him many favors defensively, at least not individually, as they were so aggressive in funneling ball handlers to Embiid that Richardson wasn’t asked to fight through many screens, with the Sixers willing to let Embiid challenge scorers at the rim or, ideally, coerce them into midrange shots. 

The shooting struggles are a tough one to fully explain. On the one hand, his midrange numbers were the best of his career, which is where you would expect some of the spacing problems the Sixers had to really come into play. From 3-point range, however, he took a big step back over the key progress he had made in previous years, especially off the catch. If I had to guess, I’d say it was a lot of variance, and even more than a change in scenery, just flipping over to a new (basketball) year might do him well. The concerning part with his season, and his fit with the 76ers specifically, is how that seemed to impact his confidence in the shot. There were just too many record-scratch moments where they’d generate an open corner 3 and Richardson would hesitate, pump fake and take two or three dribbles that got him nowhere before settling for a frustrating midrange shot. 

(11-25-2020, 09:15 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Simmons said he believes word has gotten around the league that Danny Ainge is absolutely ruthless and will trade you the minute he can get 10 cents more on the dollar for you, noting that the Celtics were already shopping around Kemba.    But then Simmons said he thinks Dallas  is the  other franchise in the league where players feel that way.

Ha! 

I would have said the opposite! I feel like the Mavs have a tendency to NOT treat their players like trade chips and more like family. Call me crazy.

(11-25-2020, 10:00 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 09:15 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Simmons said he believes word has gotten around the league that Danny Ainge is absolutely ruthless and will trade you the minute he can get 10 cents more on the dollar for you, noting that the Celtics were already shopping around Kemba.    But then Simmons said he thinks Dallas  is the  other franchise in the league where players feel that way.

Ha! 

I would have said the opposite! I feel like the Mavs have a tendency to NOT treat their players like trade chips and more like family. Call me crazy.

You aren't. That's just Bill Simmons talking out his ass like usual. How many guys have we traded away that we signed to sizable contracts in the last 5 years? Jordan, Wes (an expiring) and Curry are the main ones that pop into mind.

(11-25-2020, 10:04 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 10:00 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 09:15 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Simmons said he believes word has gotten around the league that Danny Ainge is absolutely ruthless and will trade you the minute he can get 10 cents more on the dollar for you, noting that the Celtics were already shopping around Kemba.    But then Simmons said he thinks Dallas  is the  other franchise in the league where players feel that way.

Ha! 

I would have said the opposite! I feel like the Mavs have a tendency to NOT treat their players like trade chips and more like family. Call me crazy.

You aren't. That's just Bill Simmons talking out his ass like usual. How many guys have we traded away that we signed to sizable contracts in the last 5 years? Jordan, Wes (an expiring) and Curry are the main ones that pop into mind.

Barnes .. a respected league veteran who found out he was traded in the middle of game. 


Simmons is someone who routinely talks to and interviews players, and employs several current and former players.  

Fans don't like to hear this stuff, because they love trading players .. particularly veteran players with big contracts like Barnes and Wes.    But this becomes a negative feedback loop.   Established players don't want to come to Dallas because they know they're just treated as trade fodder, and then Dallas has to use established players as trade fodder because it's their only avenue of acquiring difference making talent because they can't bring in free agents. Last offseason our free agents amounted to resigning the guys already in the building like DFS and Maxi and bringing in Seth ... who already was in the Dallas fraternity .... this year our free agency was Trey Burke and WCS , who again, were already in the building and taking a vet min flier on a guy who might not make team. Once again we hear about how we were the 2nd choice of all these players (which means they were using us for leverage). It's not just the Superstars, but it's end of career guys like Millsap and Crowder and Marc Gasol. At some point you have to admit it's a problem.

barnes

(11-25-2020, 10:13 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 10:04 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 10:00 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 09:15 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Simmons said he believes word has gotten around the league that Danny Ainge is absolutely ruthless and will trade you the minute he can get 10 cents more on the dollar for you, noting that the Celtics were already shopping around Kemba.    But then Simmons said he thinks Dallas  is the  other franchise in the league where players feel that way.

Ha! 

I would have said the opposite! I feel like the Mavs have a tendency to NOT treat their players like trade chips and more like family. Call me crazy.

You aren't. That's just Bill Simmons talking out his ass like usual. How many guys have we traded away that we signed to sizable contracts in the last 5 years? Jordan, Wes (an expiring) and Curry are the main ones that pop into mind.

Barnes .. a respected league veteran who found out he was traded in the middle of game. 


Simmons is someone who routinely talks to and interviews players, and employs several current and former players.  

Fans don't like to hear this stuff, because they love trading players .. particularly veteran players with big contracts like Barnes and Wes.    But this becomes a negative feedback loop.   Established players don't want to come to Dallas because they know they're just treated as trade fodder, and then Dallas has to use established players as trade fodder because it's their only avenue of acquiring difference making talent because they can't bring in free agents.

Barnes was informed that the Mavs engaged in trade talks but wanted to play anyway. Not really sure what else the Mavs could do. Big market teams in LA or NY are way worse. LeBron nuked an entire season because he basically told the young Lakers Ingram, Lonzo and Kuzman that they suck and that he will get rid of them.

I agree with Kam. Mavs actually are more loyal and player friendly than most teams. Sometimes loyal to a fault because they continue to resign vets that should have retired 3 years ago.

(11-25-2020, 10:00 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Ha! 

I would have said the opposite! I feel like the Mavs have a tendency to NOT treat their players like trade chips and more like family. Call me crazy.

This is a Fisher holdover. They play favorites. There are guys who are treated like family and guys that are treated as trade fodder. The 1-year contracts is the first sign that they don't want you, the player, they want you, the contract. You get 1 year to prove you're worthy of being treated like you're "in the family". I think it all stems from after the championship letting all those guys go around the league and air their frustration to other players about not bringing the team back...and being treated as trade fodder for the bigger, better option (Esp looking at Tyson who would be vocal about it and is well respected among the players).


Plan powder, the gift that keeps giving!

(11-25-2020, 10:00 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 09:15 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Simmons said he believes word has gotten around the league that Danny Ainge is absolutely ruthless and will trade you the minute he can get 10 cents more on the dollar for you, noting that the Celtics were already shopping around Kemba.    But then Simmons said he thinks Dallas  is the  other franchise in the league where players feel that way.

Ha! 

I would have said the opposite! I feel like the Mavs have a tendency to NOT treat their players like trade chips and more like family. Call me crazy.

Actually,  I found out that many fans of other teams thinks this way. We aren't loyal franchise,  unless your name is Dirk.

From letting championship core go away.
To trading a good core of players in Rondo trade.
To recycling a lot of players in between (including second time with TC)
Trading half of the team for KP
Trading Barnes in middle of a game.

Now, is this a correct statement? I think anyone here can build strong counter argument.  Barnes knew about trade, KP was too good of a trade, Barea and Harris here etc.

But sometimes it isn't about the truth, but the perception,  and Simmons might be right about players perception of the Mavericks

Regardless of what "it" is. We can't say this isn't the perception around the league with players as Mavs fans on a message board.

(11-25-2020, 10:26 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 10:13 AM) pid=\50148' Wrote:LeBron nuked an entire season because he basically told the young Lakers Ingram, Lonzo and Kuzman that they suck and that he will get rid of them.

Honestly I don't think that Lebron antics has big admirers around players and agents. 
He is just too big as a brand, too great as a players for other folks to complain in public.  
And players relationship to each other is different from their own to teams.

(11-25-2020, 10:38 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 10:00 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-25-2020, 09:15 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Simmons said he believes word has gotten around the league that Danny Ainge is absolutely ruthless and will trade you the minute he can get 10 cents more on the dollar for you, noting that the Celtics were already shopping around Kemba.    But then Simmons said he thinks Dallas  is the  other franchise in the league where players feel that way.

Ha! 

I would have said the opposite! I feel like the Mavs have a tendency to NOT treat their players like trade chips and more like family. Call me crazy.

Actually,  I found out that many fans of other teams thinks this way. We aren't loyal franchise,  unless your name is Dirk.

From letting championship core go away.
To trading a good core of players in Rondo trade.
To recycling a lot of players in between (including second time with TC)
Trading half of the team for KP
Trading Barnes in middle of a game.

Now, is this a correct statement? I think anyone here can build strong counter argument.  Barnes knew about trade, KP was too good of a trade, Barea and Harris here etc.

But sometimes it isn't about the truth, but the perception,  and Simmons might be right about players perception of the Mavericks

Right. Same thing with the Celtics.   Objectively, just for the sake of pure roster building and talent acquisition, trading two guys at the end of their careers for that Nets package is the right move, even if you are gong to hang their jerseys from the rafters.    Objectively, just for the sake of pure roster building and talent acquisition, trading Isaiah Thomas for Kyrie Irving is the right move even regardless of what Thomas gave to your franchise.   But that doesn't mean that the NBA player fraternity has to look at it that way.

(11-25-2020, 09:15 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Listening to Bill Simmons this morning with Jacke MacMullen, and they were noting that Kyrie, Gordon Hayward and Al Horford just walked away from the Celtics rather than resign with them ... Simmons said he believes word has gotten around the league that Danny Ainge is absolutely ruthless and will trade you the minute he can get 10 cents more on the dollar for you, noting that the Celtics were already shopping around Kemba.    But then Simmons said he thinks Dallas  is the  other franchise in the league where players feel that way.  MacMuillen said she knows that other agents around the league didn't like how chummy the Mavs front office was with Fegan

Where do I start...

1. Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward didn't all leave at the first opportunity because they feared Ainge would trade them away from Boston. They left because they wanted out of Boston. 

2. When looking for an example of a team known for having a reputation of trading players every chance they get, he doesn't pick Morey's Houston or any team run by LeGM. Nah -- that wouldn't fit the narrative. So he throws shade at Dallas who hasn't had many stars to trade and who built the team around Dirk for 21 years. 

3. Calling out Dallas for having a good relationship with an agent who died two years ago? Yeah, that's totally it.

4. There are now at least 5 agents literally running NBA franchises -- Myers, Pelinka, Tellem, Zanik. and Perry. If Simmons and MacMullen believe chummy agent relationships are truly a problem in attracting and retaining free agents, the rest of the league seems to have not gotten the memo.

Sure, Dallas has a storied history of falling short in big-name free agency. We've talked about that ad nauseum, and can also have good reason to believe the tide may soon be turning on that front. But the Celtics have a very different problem. They have a new reputation of doing very well in free agency while chasing off the guys they acquire as soon as they get a peek behind the curtain. Something is very broken with their team culture right now.

Simmons has always been a massive Celtics homer, and IMO he's just transitioning between the denial and lashing out stages of grief.

The Mavs HAVE traded people more ruthlessly than many other teams. That’s for sure. It’s important to point out that both Bill and Jackie were clear that this was speculation, and not what they have been told. But, players do notice things like what happened to Barnes, which wasn’t a great look, imo. 

However, I’m sure players also notice Cuban’s politics and how he’s taking care of Delonte West, too. 

At the end of the day, I’d say the most important things are A) how players are treated when they’re here and B) the shape of the team and chance to win.

Quote:Sure, Dallas has a storied history in falling short in big-name free agency.

It's not just he big names Dallas is having a problem with.  For two offseason in a row they can't attract anyone who isn't already in the fraternity.

(11-25-2020, 11:04 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs HAVE traded people more ruthlessly than many other teams. That’s for sure.

Can you offer more examples than Barnes (which I am with @"dirkfansince1998" that this just isn't fair or true, he was TOLD and chose to play)?