So yall I am talking myself into going all in on Oladipo. His stock is lower for many reasons and the Pacers are going to have to move him. I think this is your shot to get a third star this off-season.
So with that I think I'd be willing to give up any combination of assets not names Luka or KP to offer Indy the best deal you can offer. That could include some guys we love bur role guys can be replaced. To be a real contender you probably need that third star in place.
I am not hopeful that we can get Oladipo just because we decided Indiana can't keep him. However, he would be a tremendous third, (or maybe 2nd) star. I would be all over having Mr. Victor Oladipo to root for. Luka would make him look awesome. He probably would be quite amenable to playing with Luka and KP.
Make it work if we can. Give up anything to win that contest to trade for him. There would be tremendous competition for him. But we need several alternate great plans because that basket of eggs could be very easily stolen.
There should be a lot of competition for Oladipo and Jrue Holiday. Both I think would be Mavs targets but also will get interest from teams like the Warriors who have that #2 pick to spend.
(10-02-2020, 08:33 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]So yall I am talking myself into going all in on Oladipo.
He TERRIFIES me.
If you get peak Oladipo that is GREAT (but unlikely to me)....if you get current Oladipo then you have wasted a couple years of Luka (which is likely).
(10-02-2020, 12:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]There should be a lot of competition for Oladipo and Jrue Holiday. Both I think would be Mavs targets but also will get interest from teams like the Warriors who have that #2 pick to spend
Would you really trade the #2 pick for an injured guard who only played 23 games this season (including the playoffs), shot less than 40% in those games, and can walk away after only one year? I understand liking a pre-injury Oladipo who is under contract, but this is a different situation. I personally don't see that happening.
(10-02-2020, 12:58 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Would you really trade the #2 pick for an injured guard who only played 23 games this season (including the playoffs), shot less than 40% in those games, and can walk away after only one year?
If this is the missing piece to go all the way, the answer is easy - hell yeah. Especially in this draft.
(10-02-2020, 12:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2020, 08:33 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]So yall I am talking myself into going all in on Oladipo.
He TERRIFIES me.
If you get peak Oladipo that is GREAT (but unlikely to me)....if you get current Oladipo then you have wasted a couple years of Luka (which is likely).
Terrible post. You didn't even mention how well Oladipo sings, or how that could possibly impact the team.
HE IS A REALLY GOOD SINGER KAMM LIKE PROFESSIONAL LEVEL KAMM
Are we really that worried ab a quad injury? Btwn that recovery and Covid we didn't get to see a whole lot. I am hoping that lowered his stock enough to get Mavs to the negotiation table. I suspect some team will pay a lot for Oladipo. My position is that Mavs should offer everything they got. If you can get that 3rd star guard/wing you are in business. Role guys can be replaced.
Hmmmm, well I would have to defer to the team's judgment on that. I think teams overall are going to be lining up pretty good offers for 'ole Vic.
I would still be most excited ab an Oladipo trade this summer. The upside is huge.
(10-02-2020, 12:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2020, 08:33 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]So yall I am talking myself into going all in on Oladipo.
He TERRIFIES me.
If you get peak Oladipo that is GREAT (but unlikely to me)....if you get current Oladipo then you have wasted a couple years of Luka (which is likely).
I don't see how this is true at all.
At best, not only have the Mavs found their 3rd star, but they found objectively one of the best pairings in the backcourt for Luka AND the team as a whole. Oladipo was
elite as a playmaker in the PnR for the Pacers. Someone that can run the offense fine without Luka on the court. He was about league average at 3. He was an All NBA defensive guard that was capable of guarding anyone under 6'8. And he was athletic as all hell. If he returns to what he was, then the Mavs found
the dude.
At worst, Oladipo expires at the end of 2021 season . Mavs can cut him loose and chase another star in that loaded free agency class that they are already planning to do anyways. There will be plenty to choose from. Giannis. Kawhi, Lebron, PG, Beal, Jrue Holiday and a glut of quality role players. Even if the doomsday scenario is the most likely outcome, losing Oladipo doesn't change the fact that the Mavs have a top 5 NBA player and MVP candidate, and another top 20 player both under 26 to offer to potential FA's. Something that literally no one else can offer.
Currently Dipo looked like a shell of himself coming back. He was still solid averaging 15ppg on some bad shooting with flashes of defensive potential. And while that can be a red flag to stay away, I see it as a perfect buy low opportunity. The fact he's forcing himself out lowers his price even more since other teams will be scared off with him potentially wanting to leave the moment he hits free agency.
Given all these downsides and potential restrictions I can see Dipo being had for a cheap price. One that the Mavs can be competitive in. If they get him for a meager package of THJ+18+31+1 role player (Brunson, Wright, or Jackson), then it'd be highway robbery.
(08-30-2020, 06:26 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]So Davis Bertans. This is a hot name. He is an offense guy for sure but even though I am all ab defense I am also about good asset management. This is a guy half the league wants bc you can never have too much shooting.
For that reason he should be getting more than MLE level money this offseason. That being said wouldn't you know he's Latvian. Gee I wonder if he knows KP?
Between KP and Mavs Euro-friendly, offense friendly environment you would have to think Mavs have a heavy advantage when all other factors are equal.
Wiz just have Bertans early bird rights so you could give him near an MLE in a S&T situation but then why would Bertans do that? He can probably get above MLE money this offseason.
At any rate he is a name to look at just for his Latvian connection and bc he is one of the better non-stars available. He would be a good asset management pickup. Under Rick & Luka he'd be shooting 80% from 3.
Let´s get Janis Timma, too. Magic got his rights. Get them as a throw-in in the Gordon deal.
(10-02-2020, 04:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]If they get him for a meager package of THJ+18+31+1 role player (Brunson, Wright, or Jackson), then it'd be highway robbery.
That is A LOT of assets to give up for a guy with such a devastating injury that once relied on elite athleticism to make it in the NBA.
(10-02-2020, 05:22 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2020, 04:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]If they get him for a meager package of THJ+18+31+1 role player (Brunson, Wright, or Jackson), then it'd be highway robbery.
That is A LOT of assets to give up for a guy with such a devastating injury that once relied on elite athleticism to make it in the NBA.
Also doesn´t seem to be the most trust-worthy player to re-sign/extend next year. Could very well end up like Jimmy Butler.
If you look at it like this and say
Are we better with Oladipo or Hardaway Jr. + pick 18 and pick 31
I think we are at best a draw so I do not see the point in overpaying for him.
Tim Hardaway Jr. has his faults but he is a team guy and is loved by his teammates.
(09-30-2020, 06:51 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I’ll stay out of the trade Brunson discussion (mostly) and just point out that the Mav’s seem/seemed very interested putting a ball handler next to Luka in the starting lineup. The Kemba thing was real. I believe, but can’t substantiate that they were interested in Beverly. And, I think they had Wright slotted as a starter. None of that is to discount Brunson. He’s pretty good at his role, but it appears it is a limited minutes role on a team with Luka, a starting ball handler and Curry.
Of course, they weren’t any better than most of us at understanding what they really had and how it would fit together. The Wright experiment failed. They were wrong about THJ off the bench. What complicates looking forward is whether they see their ideal as THJ/DFS as a 2/3 combo or a 3/4 combo. If the former, a Power Wing might start (Grant) or a roll man. If the latter, then that means they still want a ball handler next to Luka (and it would be nice if that ball handler could handle on the ball D and off the ball O too). There are times I wonder if they don’t need six starters as the answer to my question might be “yes”.
Yeah I think based on the rumored names, the guys we went after, etc they clearly wanted another playmaking guard. And based on the success of Burke (who was barely an nba player at signing) it was a great idea.
I'd speculate one step further that I think they wanted a playmaking guard and a 3d guard effectively making it a 3 guard system. That's also Carlisles wet dream lol.
But with Luka being so big and a combo forward like DFS, that lineup could wind up being phenomenal with the right signings. Luka is basically your other forward in that scenario despite whatever offensive position he plays.
I feel like you are basically saying the same thing as my post here... But wasn't quite sure.
Did anyone read the Athletic article about Buddy? Sounds like he may want out of Sacramento but it was locked behind a paywall and I'm poor lol.
He's sort of a better shooting version of THJ so I wouldn't pay a crazy amount for him. But he's locked in on a declining contract and that really intrigues me. He's on a great value deal. And I can't help but wonder if he does even a bit better shooting with a good supporting cast around him.
(10-02-2020, 07:35 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at it like this and say
Are we better with Oladipo or Hardaway Jr. + pick 18 and pick 31
I think we are at best a draw so I do not see the point in overpaying for him.
Tim Hardaway Jr. has his faults but he is a team guy and is loved by his teammates.
So for me... I'm interested in Dipo but... It's more of a fallback option at this point. If it's Dipo or no trade...I take Dipo.
Otherwise I'd rather try to sign him next summer. The risk is much lower because we'll know his game level and health a bit more clearly.
I still think Holiday gets moved. And that's my play all the way. It's not going to be cheap tho. I'd love an extend and trade.
I think Holiday would be PERFECT for the Mavs, but unfortunately, he'd be just as perfect for a ton of teams. Many of those teams are closer to getting over the hump than our Mavs, so he'd probably be worth more in trade to them.
And, if I'm him, at his age, I think I'd probably prefer a number of teams over the Mavs, too.
But, he would definitely make this team better.
2017-2018 just seems like an outlier for Oladipo and I doubt he'll ever get close to those offensive numbers again.
Not sure how popular of a take this will be, but I’d rather have OPJ than Oladipo.
- He’s had some injuries but nothing as severe as Oladipo
- He won’t cost as much to acquire in a trade
- You don’t know whether Oladipo will be 2017-2018 version or 2019-2020 version and those are two very different players
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