Quote:DanSchwartzman
Hollinger projected Wood's salary at $15.8mm and said Charlotte may make a bid using cap room.
Why would Detroit even let him leave?
They can offer him substantial money, too. You´d also figure Wood would stick around with the team that gave him a big role and his big break as long as the money is equal.
Wood´s market value seems far above MLE due to the FA class configuration. Though I think a big contract does carry significant risk, as he´s done it for half a season, on a losing team, during tanking season, when no opponent gave a crap about the Pistons.
Then what do Detroit or Charlotte have to lose.
IF the Mavs want to move ALL-IN for next season, then there is only one logical FA signing: Gallinari at the MLE after making such significant moves, that he´d be enticed to sign here. Maybe Bertans as the consolation prize.
(11-07-2020, 08:28 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi/Wright for Wood?
I am somehow scared of Wood, as he has only half of good season behind him and a career filled with rumors of lack of basketball interest and questionable work ethic. Did he really "grow up" or will he return to his old ways once he gets the big contract? Having a 15 per failure on your roster would be a huge step back. That's why I would prefer to keep Maxi in this case. I doubt Detroit would do such a SnT without an asset (pick or Brunson) from our side (same as Fournier). Yes, they do get Maxi and if it would be just Maxi, I would agree. But you are adding 18 mil of Wright and they lose 15 mil of cap space they could "sell" to someone else.
Line-up after the hypothetical Fournier/Wood trades is still lacking a couple of good perimeter defenders imho. At least DJJ for MLE. And I really think Fournier would kill it from the bench as a 6th man.
(11-07-2020, 08:55 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe Bertans as the consolation prize.
Bertans will be way overpaid by Washington, imho. Same as Wood he really only has one half of an excellent season on a losing team nobody cared about. He doesn't play defense and is a huge injury question mark. On a contender, he is more of a 6th man than starter imho.
Assuming it is true, that part about CP3 can make you think. Not the part about Dallas having interest in him but the part about him having zero interest in us. While we hype ourselves how close to contending are we, an all nba player doesn't like his ring chances if he comes to Dallas.
(11-07-2020, 08:55 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:DanSchwartzman
Hollinger projected Wood's salary at $15.8mm and said Charlotte may make a bid using cap room.
Why would Detroit even let him leave?
They can offer him substantial money, too. You´d also figure Wood would stick around with the team that gave him a big role and his big break as long as the money is equal.
Detroit has absolutely zero control over what Wood does. So, “let him leave” isn’t the right way to put that at all. They are a bidder just like anyone else. He has two threats that leverage his position. He can walk to a team like Charlotte with no compensation to Detroit. He can sign a 1+1 MLE deal with a winning team like Dallas and hit the market again in 21.
Faced with those choices, what does a team like Detroit do? Take a useful player like Maxi? Or, take nothing. That is the only decision they control in this process if the rumors are true. Also, the part about figuring “he would “stick around with the team that gave him his big break” is nice in sports movies, but it isn’t reality for someone who has lived out of a suitcase the last several years. This is his chance to make life-changing money AND (at his age) set himself up well for another contract after that. Being one of the young cornerstones in Dallas is probably way better for the second deal than staying in Detroit would be.
Dallas had him for half the summer in Orlando a few years back. They know him and his work ethic. I’m perfectly willing to trust them if they decide to pursue him.
So, there's definitely a version of Wood's career where he signs for $17 million per and is a future All Star.
But there's also a version where he goes full Ian Mahinmi once he gets paid. I think, for the Mavericks, the full MLE might be TOO MUCH. I know the Wood fans think he's the best, up and coming target out there, and you might be right. I don't know, he just scares me to death. This is a man who was cut from a team in China a few years back.
(11-07-2020, 09:11 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming it is true, that part about CP3 can make you think. Not the part about Dallas having interest in him but the part about him having zero interest in us. While we hype ourselves how close to contending are we, an all nba player doesn't like his ring chances if he comes to Dallas.
Can I unlike this? (Because it is spot on and I don't like that.)
I'm pretty sure we are not a first grade contender as we are constructed today.
But with CP3 fitting in and being his last season self and a good MLE-signing we would be.
There are many reasons for him not to join us. It's not just his chances of a ring.
That's why we have to find the guy who wants to be here.
(11-07-2020, 08:46 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Who cares if they are correct or not. It is something to discuss, get new ideas.
Whether or not a rumor is based on real phone calls or is just speculation is part of the discussion that people do care about. Seems like an odd thing to throw a "who cares" at.
(11-07-2020, 10:12 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 09:11 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming it is true, that part about CP3 can make you think. Not the part about Dallas having interest in him but the part about him having zero interest in us. While we hype ourselves how close to contending are we, an all nba player doesn't like his ring chances if he comes to Dallas.
Can I unlike this? (Because it is spot on and I don't like that.)
I'm pretty sure we are not a first grade contender as we are constructed today.
But with CP3 fitting in and being his last season self and a good MLE-signing we would be.
There are many reasons for him not to join us. It's not just his chances of a ring.
That's why we have to find the guy who wants to be here.
So, the good news is that our generational talent is 21 years old.
The bad news is that our generational talent is 21 years old.
Everyone should go look at guys like Lebron, MJ, Kobe, etc, and see how long it took them to A) make the playoffs. B) win the championship. It's going to take longer than some think. The Mavs will very likely not be true contenders before Luka signs his extension. That's just how it is, my dudes.
What I find concerning about the CP3 thing, if true, is that it would mean the Mavs really want to find a shortcut. What could a 38 year old possibly have in common with a 21 year old, and why would you want a guy who NEEDS the ball to play with a guy who NEEDS the ball? I've been all about a secondary playmaker, but I'm starting to wonder if the Mavs literally want a POINT GUARD. I, personally, love Luka playing the PG position.
I went over to that site and read some of his stuff. I think he is Bartlettbear.
He did say he was going to dump some draft info today.
(11-07-2020, 10:28 AM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]I went over to that site and read some of his stuff. I think he is Bartlettbear.
lolololol - he certainly writes like Bartlebear!
(11-07-2020, 10:17 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like an odd thing to throw a "who cares" at.
Well, I don't care. Because I am sure GMs are on the phone all the time discussing one million possible trades with their coworkers or other GMs. It was reported several times that this is a fact. Heck, it is their job 24/7 to do what we are doing here on this forum when we have time. So I find it totally plausible that every trade possibility is really being discussed somewhere. That's why I don't care if what he publishes is real insight or not, because most of the things he writes will never happen anyway, as they are just options being discussed.
(11-07-2020, 10:27 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]What could a 38 year old possibly have in common with a 21 year old
21 year old could certainly use experience from the guy who has been around. Not a guy (with all the respect) like Barea, who is barely playable at this stage of career, but a guy who is still productive. Not saying CP3 is the only option, but I think Mavs could get a lot more than pure stats from guy like that. This is the value guys like Green, Milsap, I barey dare to say Horford, brings.
(11-07-2020, 10:17 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Whether or not a rumor is based on real phone calls or is just speculation is part of the discussion that people do care about.
But if you really, really want to check him, I guess you can find last offseason or TDL and check how right he was. I honestly don't care, so I will not scroll through those 225 pages.
(11-07-2020, 10:35 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ], I don't care
(11-07-2020, 10:35 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly don't care
Your prerogative. Not trying to get you to care.
You only got push back from me because you're telling other folks they don't need to care about something they care about. One thing I bet people don't care much about...this conversation!
(11-07-2020, 11:09 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]You only got push back from me because you're telling other folks they don't need to care about something they care about. One thing I bet people don't care much about...this conversation!
I replied because every once in a while a new guy appears on that forum daring the guy to prove he is legit. But it's totally pointless, imho. It is an internet forum, not an official team site, so everything should be taken with a grain of salt. The point of posting that "info" here (this time by Killer) was not in if the guy is legit ot not, it is in the info. I guess everyone can make his own opinion and either follow that site and believe it is true or not. I never said I believe that is true or that others should believe it is true. I would prefer to discuss what is suggested there.
But if you guys want to discuss if the guy is legit or not, go ahead.
(11-07-2020, 11:32 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]But if you guys want to discuss if the guy is legit or not, go ahead.
Then we shall proceed with your blessing! :-D
The reason I like to think about the legit-ness of a source is because I enjoy trying to figure out what the Mavs are thinking.
(11-07-2020, 11:56 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]The reason I like to think about the legit-ness of a source is because I enjoy trying to figure out what the Mavs are thinking.
I don't think you will get that. Let's assume he is legit. He is posting discussions, not Mavs thoughts. Discussions they probably had with people from other teams. This doesn't disclose, what Mavs really think, because you don't really know the details of the discussion or the intent behind the call. For example info "Mavs inquired about CP3". You don't know if it was just a fishing trip like I made an example - "we give you Lee SnT so you save 40 mil next year" or is this a series of calls putting everyone available on the table and begging OKC on their knees to trade CP3. Even if info would be more detailed like examples above, you don't know if it was just Mavs throwing smoke screens to hide their real intentions. That's why I think those discussions are pointless. The guy explicitly says he is not announcing done deals. Which basically gives away any option to prove him legit or not. It will always be just your (or mine, or whoever) subjective opinion.
(11-07-2020, 10:27 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 10:12 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2020, 09:11 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming it is true, that part about CP3 can make you think. Not the part about Dallas having interest in him but the part about him having zero interest in us. While we hype ourselves how close to contending are we, an all nba player doesn't like his ring chances if he comes to Dallas.
Can I unlike this? (Because it is spot on and I don't like that.)
I'm pretty sure we are not a first grade contender as we are constructed today.
But with CP3 fitting in and being his last season self and a good MLE-signing we would be.
There are many reasons for him not to join us. It's not just his chances of a ring.
That's why we have to find the guy who wants to be here.
So, the good news is that our generational talent is 21 years old.
The bad news is that our generational talent is 21 years old.
Everyone should go look at guys like Lebron, MJ, Kobe, etc, and see how long it took them to A) make the playoffs. B) win the championship. It's going to take longer than some think. The Mavs will very likely not be true contenders before Luka signs his extension. That's just how it is, my dudes.
What I find concerning about the CP3 thing, if true, is that it would mean the Mavs really want to find a shortcut. What could a 38 year old possibly have in common with a 21 year old, and why would you want a guy who NEEDS the ball to play with a guy who NEEDS the ball? I've been all about a secondary playmaker, but I'm starting to wonder if the Mavs literally want a POINT GUARD. I, personally, love Luka playing the PG position.
Assume the Thunder are happy with Brunson + #18 + #31 + future 1st + Wright + Powell + THJ.
You could open a short window and then still have max cap space to open a new window before you have to max Luka in 2022.
That likely means two year MLE for Gallinari. Minimum for Melo. Likely have Lee, Burke, JJB and MKG back....
That´s your two year team...
CP3/Burke/JJB
Doncic/Curry/Lee
DFS/Melo/Jackson
Gallinari/Kleber/MKG
Porzingis/WCS/Boban
Then in the summer of 2022 you only have
Porzingis 34
Luka caphold 25
Kleber 9 (fully non-guaranteed)
Curry 8.5 (expiring)
You know what I´m starting to think Giannis should sign that 1+1 with Milwaukee next summer, then he call pull a KD after we beat him in the 2021/2022 NBA finals.
All jokes aside this almost makes scary sense with the usual MBT thinking, full win NOW mode, no care for young assets, bring back every single veteran on the roster, but still maintain flexibility for 2022.
Just a question whether you can get over the first hurdle of the Thunder agreeing to a trade.
Just to bring CP3 example once more. I totally believe Mavs made a call about him. But my personal opinion is, they will not break bank to bring him.
(11-07-2020, 12:09 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Assume the Thunder are happy with Brunson + #18 + #31 + future 1st + Wright + Powell + THJ.
I was really intrigued with CP3 at the start of last season and proposing THJ+Lee+salary filler. That was before it turned out THJ is good for us and CP3 is still very good. Now I think his price will be way too high and I wouldn't spend our assets on him. So unless Lee Snt+minor assets is on the table, I don't want to do it.
(11-07-2020, 12:28 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I will start by saying this: I have very big doubts this guy has real sources. I think he is guessing/making stuff up.
I thought the same. Its either stating the obvious team needs and goals made up, or has some half truths and half lies. You can't deny he did his research.
(11-07-2020, 12:07 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think you will get that.
Thanks for trying to help me to figure out if one of the things I like to think about is a legit pursuit. I'll take it all under advisement.