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(09-03-2020, 03:29 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Miami already looks like the favorites for rings this year the way they are playing.

And please mind they are doing this with one star and two undrafted rookies as key rotation players. Dragic, who a lot of people here didn't think was good enough for Mavs, is their number 2.

The Mavs ought to be looking at the Heat to see how to build around Luka in years to come. I have to yell for the benefit of Isaac Harris and other buffoons who are so concerned about preserving 2021 cap space - YOU DON'T NEED CAP SPACE TO SIGN GREAT PLAYERS - ONLY A DEARTH OF BAD CONTRACTS. I call it the Butler rule. May the MBT and all Mav fans and commentators learn it well.

Scott41theMavs
Miami already looks like the favorites for rings this year the way they are playing. I abhor that franchise due to 2006 and their locational fortune. The thought of them improving beyond how good they are now... The thought of Luka being a perennial also-ran because of the Heat becoming obscenely stacked...
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That assumes we can keep Luka long term.

(09-03-2020, 03:47 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs ought to be looking at the Heat to see how to build around Luka in years to come. I have to yell for the benefit of Isaac Harris and other buffoons who are so concerned about preserving 2021 cap space - YOU DON'T NEED CAP SPACE TO SIGN GREAT PLAYERS - ONLY A DEARTH OF BAD CONTRACTS. I call it the Butler rule. May the MBT and all Mav fans and commentators learn it well.

Players have to want to come to your team before you worry about anything else and to date we are not a destination.

(09-03-2020, 03:47 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs ought to be looking at the Heat to see how to build around Luka in years to come. I have to yell for the benefit of Isaac Harris and other buffoons who are so concerned about preserving 2021 cap space - YOU DON'T NEED CAP SPACE TO SIGN GREAT PLAYERS - ONLY A DEARTH OF BAD CONTRACTS. I call it the Butler rule. May the MBT and all Mav fans and commentators learn it well.

I am not happy ab it but I know its the reality of the MBT so its the framework for how I think ab potential trades. That being said, the big caveat is that in 2021 there is really only one marquee star player and that's Giannis. I think plan powder may not hold if he signs that supermax.

Last year the Mavs wet the bed in that they had a bunch of FAs they could have signed but didn't even with all the powder in the world. They ended up with some value contracts that they didn't even need cap space for.

I was all ab Kemba and Brogdon. Kemba was their guy and it didn't work out. Other names came and went. I am still unhappy they didn't at least try to talk to Brogdon or Jimmy Butler. They didn't pursue Bojan Bogdanovic. I think D'Ro would have been a smart move from an asset management perspective. Even if you don't think he's a fit he was a 23 yr old all-star that was hitting UFA due to unusual circumstances. But Mavs didn't even take a look.

So ya Plan powder is not great but I am resigned to the fact that MBT will do everything in their power to keep it going unless and until they get a third star or core player.

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(09-03-2020, 03:29 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Miami already looks like the favorites for rings this year the way they are playing. I abhor that franchise due to 2006 and their locational fortune. The thought of them improving beyond how good they are now... The thought of Luka being a perennial also-ran because of the Heat becoming obscenely stacked...

I am not worried ab that, they are in the East. Let's worry ab getting past the Clippers and Warriors first.

(09-03-2020, 04:12 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Scott41theMavs
Miami already looks like the favorites for rings this year the way they are playing. I abhor that franchise due to 2006 and their locational fortune. The thought of them improving beyond how good they are now... The thought of Luka being a perennial also-ran because of the Heat becoming obscenely stacked...

That assumes we can keep Luka long term.

(09-03-2020, 03:47 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs ought to be looking at the Heat to see how to build around Luka in years to come. I have to yell for the benefit of Isaac Harris and other buffoons who are so concerned about preserving 2021 cap space - YOU DON'T NEED CAP SPACE TO SIGN GREAT PLAYERS - ONLY A DEARTH OF BAD CONTRACTS. I call it the Butler rule. May the MBT and all Mav fans and commentators learn it well.

Players have to want to come to your team before you worry about anything else and to date we are not a destination.[/quote]

No need to hate on your own team, my man, which is the common thread of your two comments. In any event, as SH has said, the Mavs would have to piss off Luka royally, like few teams have ever pissed off one of their players, for his not being for the next five years (rookie contract + the first three years of his max extension which only the Mavs can give him) to be a thing. We can worry about his being here longterm at that point. But you are correct that the Mavs had damn well better figure out how to make a Dallas a destination - shouldn't be that hard, really, given the size of the city and market, the warm weather, the lack of state sales tax, and ****freaking Luka,**** so the Mavs not being a destination requires some profound soul searching by the MBT - or Luka may indeed seek greener pastures in five years. Or, they should just pivot to focusing on getting 100% of their core players in the draft and by trade, and never by free agency.

(09-03-2020, 05:20 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]No need to hate on your own team, my man, which is the common thread of your two comments. In any event, as SH has said, the Mavs would have to piss off Luka royally, like few teams have ever pissed off one of their players, for his not being for the next five years (rookie contract + the first three years of his max extension which only the Mavs can give him) to be a thing. We can worry about his being here longterm at that point. But you are correct that the Mavs had damn well better figure out how to make a Dallas a destination - shouldn't be that hard, really, given the size of the city and market, the warm weather, the lack of state sales tax, and ****freaking Luka,**** so the Mavs not being a destination requires some profound soul searching by the MBT - or Luka may indeed seek greener pastures in five years. Or, they should just pivot to focusing on getting 100% of their core players in the draft and by trade, and never by free agency.

Stating facts isn't hating my team, my man.  I want Luka to be a lifer, but if them to we build around him is an "also-ran", we should prepare ourselves that he'll leave for a team that can bring him titles.  You might think we have plenty of time to accomplish that, but we've spent a lot in acquiring him and KP which limit the moves we can make going forward. The point is that we shouldn't expect Dirk-like patience or loyalty from him. The clock is ticking. The closest thing to a star that the MBT have landed in free agency is a slightly washed DAJ. We are we'll beyond the need to soul search.

(09-03-2020, 07:51 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]the warm weather

NOT A POSITIVE THING 

My guess is that they run it back with pretty much the same, exact team we saw this year, only hopefully a lot healthier. All signs point to keeping a path to 2021 cap space open, and for once, that's the right move. 

I'm ok with that, even in the short term, because I think they've proven that they're on the way up, and faster than expected. DFS, Kleber, Powell, Curry, THJ, Burke and maybe even Brunson all look like rotation players on a contender to me, given enough experience and the right mix. I'm not saying that I wouldn't move any of them, but I wouldn't be in a rush to do so just to appease the "do something" crowd. 

Unlike most, I expect WCS to opt in, and if so I might consider moving Powell sooner rather than later if it's my team. That would ensure that KP plays the 5, as there would be no expectation for WCS to start, and even if WCS is a massive disappointment compared to Powell, which is very possible, you still have Boban to pick up some slack. I doubt the Mavs will do that, however, because Powell seems to be extremely respected in the locker room and a vital part of their culture. 

I would definitely consider any opportunities that include THJ/Wright/Brunson/Curry going out in favor of more effective two-way wings, but again, I wouldn't pull the trigger on anything that jeopardizes 2021, which could be the best (maybe only) chance they have in the Luka Doncic era to affect significant and positive roster change. And, frankly, I'm not sure many players with names the fans recognize are really better than the Mavs' players mentioned in some of these trade ideas. 

I would also not be shocked if Barea and even Courtney Lee were brought back, given how respected they seem to be by the team and how often they're given credit for veteran mentorship. They have great relationships with Luka and KP, after all. 

Basically, if you're a "do something" type, I think there's a significant chance you'll be pulling your hair out this off season, much like you were last season, but here's the good news: at every check point since drafting Luka and embarking on an actual plan, this team has proven that they are far, far ahead of schedule, progressing much faster than what could reasonably be expected. And why not? They have a transcendent, young player who inspires belief from his teammates and one of the very best coaches in all of pro sports. 

Nobody has been more critical of the way this team has operated since the title than me, but I honestly believe that they're in a great spot right now, and that everything will work out just fine. I think they'll be in the title contender conversation before Luka's rookie deal is up, and that's something that almost never happens. Like, for any team.

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(09-03-2020, 05:20 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]No need to hate on your own team, my man, which is the common thread of your two comments. In any event, as SH has said, the Mavs would have to piss off Luka royally, like few teams have ever pissed off one of their players, for his not being for the next five years (rookie contract + the first three years of his max extension which only the Mavs can give him) to be a thing. We can worry about his being here longterm at that point. But you are correct that the Mavs had damn well better figure out how to make a Dallas a destination - shouldn't be that hard, really, given the size of the city and market, the warm weather, the lack of state sales tax, and ****freaking Luka,**** so the Mavs not being a destination requires some profound soul searching by the MBT - or Luka may indeed seek greener pastures in five years. Or, they should just pivot to focusing on getting 100% of their core players in the draft and by trade, and never by free agency.

Stating facts isn't hating my team, my man. I want Luka to be a lifer, but if them to we build around him is an "also-ran", we should prepare ourselves that he'll leave for a team that can bring him titles. You might think we have plenty of time to accomplish that, but we've spent a lot in acquiring him and KP which limit the moves we can make going forward. The point is that we shouldn't expect Dirk-like patience or loyalty from him. The clock is ticking. The closest thing to a star that the MBT have landed in free agency is a slightly washed DAJ. We are we'll beyond the need to soul search.

Look at what you wrote. The subtext of it is essentially, "We as Mavs fans should prepare for Luka to leave because that's likely to happen." As for your last comment, are you saying that 1) Dallas as a city is just a place free agents don't want to come, or 2) the MBT is doing something to prevent the Mavs from being a destination?

Something has to be drastically wrong with your front office, coaching staff, something about your organization if you have whom I would assert is virtually impossible to argue as being other than the single player in the league that other players most want to play with - and the margin between him and whoever #2 is is likely to increase greatly between now and the summer of 2021 - and you can't look with hope to the 2021 offseason. I just want to know what you think that issue is.

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KL, you said "DFS, Kleber, Powell, Curry, THJ, Burke and maybe even Brunson all look like rotation players on a contender to me, given enough experience and the right mix." I think that's probably the lynchpin of why opinion diverges from yours and why, yes, I would regard as quiet 2020 offseason as disastrous. I don't believe that Powell has a place in the rotation (top 8 players) of a contending playoff team. I strongly believed that before he was injured; now it's true in spades. THJ is paid like a #3 guy on a contending team, while topping out at #5. If he's your #3, you aren't winning. I agree that DFS, Maxi, Seth, Burke and Brunson are all candidates for the 8-man rotation of a contending team, *if* they are at the back half of that rotation. And yes, I'm taking into account the probabilities of improvement. All of those guys except for Brunson are old enough to have reached their ceiling.

I would argue that Luka and KP, no matter how good they get individually and in their chemistry, will never get past the second round without far better #3 and #4 supporting cast members.

I also believe that 2021 powder makes no sense. I find the insistence on not having a roster for FA's to come to nonsensical. Dump your bad contracts, sign good ones, and then you can have your cake today while easily trading pieces for cap room *if* it is necessary instead of having given everything away hoping it's necessary.

The problem with the Mavs down roster players is that they aren’t as far down the roster as they need to be.

In a perfect world Mavs somehow get a starter with the MLE and another one via trade; Wright, Brunson, Curry all candidates along with a pick.

Then buy another pick and get a couple of rookies to round out a roster instead of JJB and Lee.

Cross the 2021 bridge when you get there. If Giannis wants to for a Euro dynasty then you have DFS, Maxi, whoever got the MLE, a couple of 2nd year players, and parts to make it happen.

Scott, before the injury, Powell was ELITE as a vertical, rim running threat, and was probably the second most important contributor to the offensive rating we've been discussing all season. I just heard an interview with Steve Kerr the other day in which he was asked why modern offenses are so difficult to guard, and literally, the first example he mentioned was Dallas, because of Dwight Powell and all the vertical space he's able to create. 

There are other guys who can run, jump and catch the ball, and other guys who can pass. But, the combo of Luka and Powell was ELITE, and created a different geometry for other players on the court. Yes, Luka is 50% of that result, but come on, my guy - you think Harden can't make those passes? Lebron? CP3? The list goes on, and if it were a simple matter of just pairing a great passer with a rim runner, almost every team would look like the Mavs looked early in the year. The instincts Powell had for angles, timing...the EFFORT involved...these elements are far more precious than I think you believe. 

Now, will he be anything remotely like what he was this year when he comes back? That's a fair question. 

And, I'll go one better and agree that the way they started the year with Powell wasn't ideal, but to me, it wasn't because Powell wasn't good enough, but rather because he and Porzingis were a poor pairing in the front court. I said it then, and I'll say it again now: KP's way forward in this league (on a GOOD team, not the Knicks) is at the 5. I'm interested in a center rotation that includes KP and Powell, if that's the way they want to go to start next season, but not a lineup that includes them playing together very much.

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(09-03-2020, 10:55 PM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: [ -> ]In a perfect world Mavs somehow get a starter with the MLE and another one via trade; Wright, Brunson, Curry all candidates along with a pick.

OK, so here are some questions for you:

1) Do you want to bring back Trey Burke?

2) Do you want him to start?

Because literally, it's going to take about half of the MLE to sign that guy once THJ opts in, which he obviously will, and while I feel strongly that he could potentially provide something this team needs, I don't think he's a starter. If you're ok with waiving goodbye to Burke and going back to Brunson/Barea, then sure, I'd think getting a starter for the MLE is a reasonable expectation. 

As far as your trade idea is concerned, I don't think there's any question that they'll try to move Wright, but I doubt he'll be enough to fetch a starter in return, and I doubt they'll even think about moving Curry or Brunson, especially if Burke isn't back. Could be wrong, but they seem quite thrilled with those dudes.

(09-04-2020, 12:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]1) Do you want to bring back Trey Burke?

If he is vet min, I am ok if he is back. He is not a starter and we already have two small guards on the bench (Brunson, Curry), so it is quite hard for me to see him in the rotation.

(09-04-2020, 12:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]2) Do you want him to start?

No way. He is not a starter

(09-03-2020, 08:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't pull the trigger on anything that jeopardizes 2021

I can't agree with this kind of plan. It is quite possible there will be ZERO max worthy players available in 2021. We should do our best this offseason and spend assets this offseason without caring about 2021. Miami needed 1 FRP to clear max cap space for Butler, and they had horrible contracts. Same with GSW to orchestrate a SnT. Boston did it without adding a pick.

Of course this doesn't mean we trade because of trading. It means you do the moves to improve. Bring in a good MLE. I am sure moving a young player like DJJ or Dunn on a value contract will not be difficult, if Giannis decides to come. Trade Wright with assets attached (if needed) for someone who can play, possibly as a starter. If there is a chance for Dipo or Jrue, you make it happen.

Someone else put it very nicely - cap space is not an asset. No one will come because you have cap space. They will come because you have a good team. So worry about that first.

(09-04-2020, 12:56 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Someone else put it very nicely - cap space is not an asset. No one will come because you have cap space. They will come because you have a good team. So worry about that first.

I totally, completely agree with this. 

But, I think it's bonkers not to acknowledge that right now, at this moment, people from all over the league are picturing themselves catching passes from Luka. Not necessarily other ball dominant superstars, but players smart enough to know the value of playing next to him. This is the key ingredient that "plan powder" (never liked that term, it's one of Fish's dumb things) was always lacking. Even in Dirk's prime, he didn't have the kind of drawing power Luka does already, in year 2. To turn their backs on this simple fact would be lunacy. 

I am NOT advocating for years of "keep the powder dry." I'm saying that right now, the smartest thing might be to play it conservative for one, single, shortened and possibly even live spectator free season to give Luka the chance to invite people here. Once. 

I 100% promise you that I was more against the rolling of cap room from year to year than anyone else on this board. Not only did I think it was stupid to break up the title team, I thought it was morally wrong. Part of me will hate Mark Cuban for that until the day I draw my last breath. 

This is different. I'm not saying Giannis will come here after next season, but OMFG, for once, I can put myself in his shoes and not laugh at the question.

EDIT: of course Burke isn't a starter, that was my entire point. But, I'm pretty confident he just played his way past "minimum" offers. Like I said, think in terms of half the MLE. If you don't want him for that, you're not getting him. If that's cool with you, fair enough, but I think half this team's fans pencil him onto the roster and then start dreaming up ways to spend that MLE. I really don't think it's going to work out like that.

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Here's something that I believe is FACTUAL, and that I'd like everyone to reflect on, if possible:

There is literally no move or series of moves that can be made this off season that will result in Dallas being a title contender next season. That path doesn't exist. The Clippers, Lakers and Warriors will all be better than them next year, no matter what they do.

Does a combination of players that could push Dallas over the top next year exist? Yes, of course, but there isn't a way for them to get from here to there in one off season. So, doesn't it make sense to play chess, rather than checkers? In other words, doesn't it make sense NOT to do to Luka what Donnie and Cuban did to Dirk? 

I'm not saying they should adopt a holding pattern and just power down until 2021 free agency. Of course you try to improve, and of course you try to acquire players you think will still be here when the team is ready to truly compete! I'm just saying that they should keep that option available, or at least keep themselves within a couple of movable contracts of that option being available. And, btw, THEY SO OBVIOUSLY ARE THINKING IN EXACTLY THE WAY I'M DESCRIBING. So far, at least.

Whenever I look at other forums, the only fans who believe we don't have a chance in 2021 are either Mavs fans or some die hard heat fans who think players will join them due to better quality strip clubs 
All neutrals think Giannis to Dallas has real chance, ss him and Luka will be modern day Magic and Kareem

I know Mavs fans hate plan powder, but we started it with with 34 years old Dirk , and our last try was with 20 years old Luka with 3 years of no play offs.

Next summer we will have 3 years of Luka , 2 years as super star, 2 play off appearances and he will be just 22.

Some could counter that you can remove salaries at summer, but it isn't that easy tbh.
I also don't see how we can improve that much this off season.
We have perfect offense, and 2 way players aren't gonna come for peanuts, like expiring contracts. And we are depleted from assets.

(09-03-2020, 10:55 PM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: [ -> ]In a perfect world Mavs somehow get a starter with the MLE and another one via trade; Wright, Brunson, Curry all candidates along with a pick.

OK, so here are some questions for you:

1) Do you want to bring back Trey Burke?

2) Do you want him to start?

Because literally, it's going to take about half of the MLE to sign that guy once THJ opts in, which he obviously will, and while I feel strongly that he could potentially provide something this team needs, I don't think he's a starter. If you're ok with waiving goodbye to Burke and going back to Brunson/Barea, then sure, I'd think getting a starter for the MLE is a reasonable expectation. 

As far as your trade idea is concerned, I don't think there's any question that they'll try to move Wright, but I doubt he'll be enough to fetch a starter in return, and I doubt they'll even think about moving Curry or Brunson, especially if Burke isn't back. Could be wrong, but they seem quite thrilled with those dudes.
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No I don’t want Burke to start and no I wouldn’t give him half the MLE. I’m hoping the Mavs FO isn’t that reactionary either.

Burke has a solid couple of weeks...he’s had an entire career of being a vet min journeyman type player.

It’s not out of the realm of possibility that some GM out there decides he’s deserving of a bigger deal and if that’s the case I say good for you Trey go get that $$.

I am loving this conversation between Killer and Omahen.  It basically breaks down to the difference between Plan Powder and Plan Go for It Now.  There were several other points made that I found interesting:

(09-03-2020, 08:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ] 
Unlike most, I expect WCS to opt in 

I would also not be shocked if Barea and even Courtney Lee were brought back, given how respected they seem to be by the team and how often they're given credit for veteran mentorship. They have great relationships with Luka and KP, after all. 
 

Yes to both Lee and WCS.  The team has basically said Lee is coming back by keeping his roster spot (and Bird rights) alive even when he wasn't available in the Bubble.  Is that to create an expiring contract to trade or as a veteran mentor?  Don't know.  The ship appears to have sailed on JJB.  I think WCS would be nuts to leave.  Right now he's a minimum wage guy making $400k over the minimum.  The best way to increase his value is to play some PnR with Luka and move his feet well on the perimeter.  Both are strengths of his.  I think an off season and training camp here could really help him.  He has a ton of talent if he could just put it all together somewhere.  BTW, a year from now WCS will qualify as an EB free agent and we can pay him up to the MLE with a very small cap hold.

 

(09-04-2020, 12:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Scott, before the injury, Powell was ELITE as a vertical, rim running threat, and was probably the second most important contributor to the offensive rating we've been discussing all season. I just heard an interview with Steve Kerr the other day in which he was asked why modern offenses are so difficult to guard, and literally, the first example he mentioned was Dallas, because of Dwight Powell and all the vertical space he's able to create. 
 
There are other guys who can run, jump and catch the ball, and other guys who can pass. But, the combo of Luka and Powell was ELITE, and created a different geometry for other players on the court. Yes, Luka is 50% of that result, but come on, my guy  

 


Finally, someone who gets it.  BTW, Powell was elite catching lobs from Barea and Harris.  It didn't just start when Luka showed up.

(09-04-2020, 12:56 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I can't agree with this kind of plan. It is quite possible there will be ZERO max worthy players available in 2021. We should do our best this offseason and spend assets this offseason without caring about 2021.  

Of course this doesn't mean we trade because of trading. It means you do the moves to improve. Bring in a good MLE. I am sure moving a young player like DJJ or Dunn on a value contract will not be difficult,  

If you have Giannis money going into 2021, might you spend it on two $17mm players?  Some have theorized that we don't need a third "STAR".  Only 3rd and 4th starters who are really good which would move our role players into more appropriate positions on the depth chart.  Of course, if you are willing to accept this line of thinking, then it doesn't matter if you get those $17mm players in 2020 or 2021.  

I've mentioned the concept of "Plan Have it Both Ways".  Giannis is MUCH more likely to move by trade than he is by a free agent signing for cap space.  If you want to be in the game for such a trade, you probably want expiring contracts during 20/21 and enough marketable talent to be in the game in the 21/22 off season.  In much the same way as a Euro-stash makes sense for Plan Powder, trading up for a Lottery Level Talent (and name) or trading 31 for a future (protected) first makes sense if you want to ultimately trade for Giannis.  So does adding talent in the upcoming off season.  That way you have more good players on contracts that Milwaukee (or third parties) will want.  Main point being that Plan Powder doesn't necessarily have to be about Max contracts.

(09-04-2020, 01:09 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Here's something that I believe is FACTUAL, and that I'd like everyone to reflect on, if possible:

There is literally no move or series of moves that can be made this off season that will result in Dallas being a title contender next season. That path doesn't exist. The Clippers, Lakers and Warriors will all be better than them next year, no matter what they do.

Does a combination of players that could push Dallas over the top next year exist?  

Is this the right question?  I think there are moves that get us to top 3/4 in the west hosting two rounds of playoff games.  Get there and take a contender to seven games and then let's talk about players dreaming of coming to Dallas to play with Luka.

Making moves just to make moves this off season (it is driving me nuts that I can't just type "summer") feels like impatience.  Holding Max cap room hoping for Giannis to look our way feels equally foolish.  Whichever way they go (or something in the middle), I don't think championship in 21 is the goal.  The question is what is the best path to multiple championships starting as early as 22.  That, to me, is a much more interesting conversation than whether this guy or that guy is a better fit.

(09-04-2020, 08:20 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I think WCS would be nuts to leave.

I am looking at it a bit differently. WCS might have problem getting minutes in Dallas. They didn't play him even when KP was out. And once Powell comes back, he could be literally buried on the bench. Perhaps Powell will be back by the start of next season (who knows when that will be). This is why it could make sense for him to go somewhere, even if for vet min, where he would actually play.

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(09-04-2020, 08:20 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]If you have Giannis money going into 2021, might you spend it on two $17mm players? 

Tier 2 guys (not looking at RFA) would be Hayward, Porter, Schroeder, Oubre, Fournier, Dinwiddie and Richardson. I guess a couple of them might be available this off season (yeah, totally with you on how much easier would be to write summer).

(09-04-2020, 08:36 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2020, 08:20 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I think WCS would be nuts to leave.

I am looking at it a bit differently. WCS might have problem getting minutes in Dallas. They didn't play him even when KP was out. And once Powell comes back, he could be literally buried on the bench. Perhaps Powell will be back by the start of next season (who knows when that will be). This is why it could make sense for him to go somewhere, even if for vet min, where he would actually play.

Interestingly, WCS is represented by ROC Nation.  They also represent Trey Burke.  Spencer Dinwiddie, who I am VERY interested in as a 2021 FA, Danny Green, the Morris brothers and Kevin Porter are also clients.  The reason I mention Porter is I like the idea of dealing Jackson for Cedi and Cleveland dealing Cedi is helpful to Porter's future earnings.

(09-04-2020, 12:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Scott, before the injury, Powell was ELITE as a vertical, rim running threat, and was probably the second most important contributor to the offensive rating we've been discussing all season.

Our offense didn´t miss a beat without Powell. Yes he´s elite at rim-running, catching and dunking, but so are dozens of other players, occasionally they are also good at defense or shooting, which Powell is not. Therefore his simple skillset is now specialised and noteworthy. Nobody ever said: Well that Porzingis is an elite ball catcher and dunker.

You can draft Tyler Bey at #26 or Isaiah Stewart at #31, pay them $1.5M for the next four years and they do everything Powell does, with better defense.

I don´t hate what Powell does, but nobody ever pays these type of centers more than $5M a year. His contract extension was bad cap allocation the moment it happened, and that was before he tore his achilles.