(09-01-2020, 06:57 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2020, 04:30 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2020, 04:22 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Since we were discussing Fish in the MVP thread
The usual. Some guy on TV/radio with no inside information says something. Fishs makes a story out of it. Ends it with the usual the chance isn´t zero. We don´t know what Giannis thinks.
The more interesting question. Giannis signs his supermax deal this offseason. Who else could the Mavs target with max capspace?
I hope he signs the supermax this offseason so we can put that pipedream to bed. He absolutely should as its a ton of money and the Bucks are a perennial contender. As much as I'd like him on the Mavs the odds are basically zero or close to it. When a top superstar leaves, it's not for Dallas. Miami would be probably the leader in the Giannis sweepstakes but Donnie and Cubes would talk Fish into thinking he's 80% committed to Dallas. It would just be a waste of everyone's time.
(09-01-2020, 04:22 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/gi...ba-analyst
Since we were discussing Fish in the MVP thread 
Classic Fish article we have fallen for now for a decade straight. I know we have Luka and KP now so it's "different" in a sense but I am not buying it. I will believe it when I see it.
If Giannis leaves, I think we will be favorites by some margin.
He will be almost lock to get Lebron number of rings here, that can't be said about anywhere else.
I think he is 80% staying, so even then it isn't a big chance.
https://theathletic.com/2035334/2020/09/...mpionship/
I think Tim Cato has been reading the board...
Buddy Hield?
A more consistent, better defending version of Trey Burke?
His main points are that we need a plan to manage KP's health. We need at least one more defensively minded player. THJ can't be your third best offensive player (thus the part about Hield). A third Super-Star isn't necessary (at least not at the level of Giannis or Beal). This team can contend as soon as next year if the right pieces are added. It can be a couple of Hield level guys rather than paying what it would take to trade for Beal level guys. If Luka raises all boats, an 8 can become a 10 here (or a 6 can become an 8). This is not a Plan Powder article. It is a Plan Go-For-It-Now approach.
BTW, I think Dallas really love Holmes. So, if you guys constructing Hield deals wouldn't mind making him part of them, I'd appreciate it.
Buddy Hield and Burke are apples and oranges. The real comparison is Hield v THJ. I am seeing inconsistent reports on Hield's defensive ability, can someone who has watched him report on his defense?
The big thing I keep hearing and reading is that Mavs aren't going to spend 2021 money. So I don't see how Mavs could carve out a max slot in 2021 with 23 mil of Hield on the books even if Wright is outgoing. So for that reason I don't see it happening. Even if by some miracle Powell was shipped off someone (which I am 99% sure won't happen) in addition to Wright that would still add a couple more mil to the 2021 cap which could be lower than originally expected. I don't think Mavs are going to do this type of trade even if it is good asset management on paper.
In my view you could upgrade THJ to Hield and still probably be able to move a 29 yr old Hield in 2021 should you find a bigger fish but the MBT doesn't think that way. They operate super conservatively when it comes to clearing future cap space.
(09-02-2020, 03:35 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2020, 06:57 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2020, 04:30 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2020, 04:22 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Since we were discussing Fish in the MVP thread
The usual. Some guy on TV/radio with no inside information says something. Fishs makes a story out of it. Ends it with the usual the chance isn´t zero. We don´t know what Giannis thinks.
The more interesting question. Giannis signs his supermax deal this offseason. Who else could the Mavs target with max capspace?
I hope he signs the supermax this offseason so we can put that pipedream to bed. He absolutely should as its a ton of money and the Bucks are a perennial contender. As much as I'd like him on the Mavs the odds are basically zero or close to it. When a top superstar leaves, it's not for Dallas. Miami would be probably the leader in the Giannis sweepstakes but Donnie and Cubes would talk Fish into thinking he's 80% committed to Dallas. It would just be a waste of everyone's time.
(09-01-2020, 04:22 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/gi...ba-analyst
Since we were discussing Fish in the MVP thread
Classic Fish article we have fallen for now for a decade straight. I know we have Luka and KP now so it's "different" in a sense but I am not buying it. I will believe it when I see it.
If Giannis leaves, I think we will be favorites by some margin.
He will be almost lock to get Lebron number of rings here, that can't be said about anywhere else.
I think he is 80% staying, so even then it isn't a big chance.
Miami has like no cap commitments in 2021 besides Butler and some of their young players. I think they will be the biggest destination for any FA looking for a new home. I also think it will be moot bc I believe Giannis is signing that supermax this offseason.
(09-02-2020, 07:48 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]We need at least one more defensively minded player.
We need at a very minimum 1 good 2-way player, then we need another 1-2 defensively minded players (if not more 2-way players). One of these defensive guys needs to have at least some dog in them and some beef to back it up.
(09-02-2020, 08:58 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]They operate super conservatively when it comes to clearing future cap space.
Watching the JJ Reddick podcast with MC on it he talks about how the NBA game is in the middle of a big change and if they don't change with it they'll be left behind. Same can be said about this antiquated way of GMing.
Donnie is one of the top talent evaluators in all of basketball, I am very greatful to have him as a talent evaluator.
Whoever is making the calls to other teams for trades and talking to agents on contract deals is not so great at negotiating and making financial plans for our team's future. We need a guy that makes up for that weakness in our FO. I really hope we find that guy soon.
(09-02-2020, 09:44 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2020, 07:48 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]We need at least one more defensively minded player.
We need at a very minimum 1 good 2-way player, then we need another 1-2 defensively minded players (if not more 2-way players). One of these defensive guys needs to have at least some dog in them and some beef to back it up.
(09-02-2020, 08:58 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]They operate super conservatively when it comes to clearing future cap space.
Watching the JJ Reddick podcast with MC on it he talks about how the NBA game is in the middle of a big change and if they don't change with it they'll be left behind. Same can be said about this antiquated way of GMing.
Donnie is one of the top talent evaluators in all of basketball, I am very greatful to have him as a talent evaluator.
Whoever is making the calls to other teams for trades and talking to agents on contract deals is not so great at negotiating and making financial plans for our team's future. We need a guy that makes up for that weakness in our FO. I really hope we find that guy soon.
What are you talking about?
Did you look out any contract or trade we did in the recent years?
Meh things:
1.Return on Barnes
2. Not seeing DP will tear his achilles.
3. Wrights bad fit.
Good things:
1.& 2. Shuffles to get WCS and Wright.
3. Klebers new contract. Seth contract. Not getting an Albatros last year.
Great thing:
DFS new contract.
Glorious thing:
Trading up for Luka for an future first with protections on it.
Unbelievable thing:
Trading for KP for two future firsts, one with protections and parts we wanted to get rid of.
I'm sure there's something I didn't notice but that's better than good for me.
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(09-02-2020, 08:58 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Buddy Hield and Burke are apples and oranges. The real comparison is Hield v THJ. I am seeing inconsistent reports on Hield's defensive ability, can someone who has watched him report on his defense?
The big thing I keep hearing and reading is that Mavs aren't going to spend 2021 money. So I don't see how Mavs could carve out a max slot in 2021 with 23 mil of Hield on the books even if Wright is outgoing. So for that reason I don't see it happening. I don't think Mavs are going to do this type of trade even if it is good asset management on paper.
The only reason Hield and Burke were mentioned together is that Hield is a new name for Cato to mention and his wording around Burke is similar to what has been written here. Thus the line about Tim reading the board.
The conversations this summer need to bear in mind there are two distinct and probably competing paths for Dallas to take. I’ve defined these as Plan Powder and Plan Go For It Now. I guess you could argue there is a Plan “Have it Both Ways”. I think that is more improbable than the other two.
It is probably important to recognize that both are in play (no matter what this or that media member says...especially in September and especially while the cap...and CBA...are unresolved). Heck, the team might not even know which path they will take. Much depends on the opportunities that arise. If I were them, I’d pursue substantial bird in hand (Go for it Now) type deals. If none materialize, move to something else. I personally don’t think Plan Powder should be the default. The goal is to be a contender in 21/22/23. You don’t make a bad deal in 20/21 just to make a deal and you don’t pass up great opportunities in 20/21 on the hope that Giannis will come in 21.
I think most of us here don't like plan powder but MBT is still all-in on it. To me the way they have it both ways is by trying to turn picks and/or Wright/Jackson contracts into an impact player while also preserving the 2021 cap space. They will do that by either essentially swapping Wright's money for someone better or taking on a 1 yr deal.
Oladipo is the only plan powder compatible go-for-it-now move I can think of currently. I could also see a scenario whereby someone like Danny Green and Jae Crowder end up on the team (or other vets that are either on value deals or expiring contracts) with Wright leaving and thus MBT will also declare going for it now!
Hield, Gordon, Jrue and potentially other very good players on multi-year deals are very interesting but I would be truly shocked if one of those types arrive here that eat into that precious 2021 powder.
(09-02-2020, 10:21 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]What are you talking about?
Did you look out any contract or trade we did in the recent years?
Meh things:
1.Return on Barnes
2. Not seeing DP will tear his achilles.
3. Wrights bad fit.
Good things:
1.& 2. Shuffles to get WCS and Wright.
3. Klebers new contract. Seth contract. Not getting an Albatros last year.
Great thing:
DFS new contract.
Glorious thing:
Trading up for Luka for an future first with protections on it.
Unbelievable thing:
Trading for KP for two future firsts, one with protections and parts we wanted to get rid of.
I'm sure there's something I didn't notice but that's better than good for me.
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I'm talking about:
WTF things:
1. Barnes trade
2. Choice to extend Powell's contract when it was in no way necessary or needed.
3. Bungled trade w/ Miami that tied up our plans in key moments of the FA season.
4. Plan Powder, the gift that keeps giving year after year when it's proven many times over to be a failed approach (in all honesty, this alone is enough to fire many people over).
5. Matthews contract (even if it's acceptable what we did, why did we tell him that we would max him out on an achilles tear?)
Meh things:
1. DW's bad fit
2. Scrambling to get bodies on the team every year that RC can coach up when multiple plans fall through
3. WCS
4. Kleber, Curry, and Boban contracts
5. Barnes contract (there was good and bad to that)
6. Parsons contract (there was good and bad to that)
Good thing:
1. DFS contract
Glorious thing:
Trading up for Luka for an future first with protections on it.
Unbelievable thing:
Trading for KP for two future firsts, one with protections and parts we wanted to get rid of.
I'm sure there are plenty of things I missed as well, but...
We hit HUGE on 2 things that changed our narrative, that is all.
(09-01-2020, 06:57 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2020, 04:30 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2020, 04:22 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Since we were discussing Fish in the MVP thread
The usual. Some guy on TV/radio with no inside information says something. Fishs makes a story out of it. Ends it with the usual the chance isn´t zero. We don´t know what Giannis thinks.
The more interesting question. Giannis signs his supermax deal this offseason. Who else could the Mavs target with max capspace?
I hope he signs the supermax this offseason so we can put that pipedream to bed. He absolutely should as its a ton of money and the Bucks are a perennial contender. As much as I'd like him on the Mavs the odds are basically zero or close to it. When a top superstar leaves, it's not for Dallas. Miami would be probably the leader in the Giannis sweepstakes but Donnie and Cubes would talk Fish into thinking he's 80% committed to Dallas. It would just be a waste of everyone's time.
How often did we have the projected best player in the league?
The 90´s called with: Never in the history of basketball will the best player in the league sign with the Clippers as a free agent.
But there is plenty to do with our capspace.
The RFA class alone...
Mitchell, Tatum, Fox, Isaac, Markkanen, John Collins, Adebayo, Ball, Allen, Fultz, Kennard, Zach Collins, Trent, Anunoby, Kuzma, Hart, Nunn, Robinson, Bonga, Ferguson, DSJ, Monk.
Insane. Of course some are slam dunk extensions, but I´d say there are also a few times that you can deal some hammerblow headaches, that will have ripple effects. Max offer to Isaac. What happens to Fultz extension, to Fournier extension, to Gordon and Bamba. Ball offer. What happens to Hart? Adebayo max extension and maybe Oladipo. What happens to Nunn and Robinson.
Zach Collins and Gary Trent. Will and can Portland extend both. Jarrett Allen at the Nets with superstar VAJ already under contract.
(09-02-2020, 10:55 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I think most of us here don't like plan powder but MBT is still all-in on it.
They call this a theory. It isn't known.
There are aspects of the future that even Cuban doesn't know at this point. Will we continue to operate under the 2017 CBA? It isn't known. What might a new CBA look like? Also not known. If you don't know the rules of the game, you can't know the opportunities the rules will create. There is no telling if Silver and the Union will be able to hold things together. It is possible, but so is a long drawn out work stoppage.
So the big thing is whether or not Giannis signs his supermax extension. If he doesn't all hell will break loose lol as a bunch of teams will try to position themselves for a Giannis trade or FA signing including the Mavs.
If Giannis DOES sign his supermax that opens the door for Mavs to make a move for like a Jrue Holiday for example. Mavs will not choose Jrue over the Giannis pipedream but if that pipedream dies then Jrue is a target either now or 2021. Mavs could try to offer some combination + picks plus THJ to add Jrue to the backcourt.
I also wonder if the Hield, Aaron Gordon tier of good, not superstar players become an option at that point?
(09-02-2020, 12:06 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2020, 10:55 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I think most of us here don't like plan powder but MBT is still all-in on it.
They call this a theory. It isn't known.
There are aspects of the future that even Cuban doesn't know at this point. Will we continue to operate under the 2017 CBA? It isn't known. What might a new CBA look like? Also not known. If you don't know the rules of the game, you can't know the opportunities the rules will create. There is no telling if Silver and the Union will be able to hold things together. It is possible, but so is a long drawn out work stoppage.
I'd still bet all my money on plan powder unless and until Giannis signs that Supermax.
I want no part of Oladipo due to what he'll cost, injury history and his inconsistent performance throughout his career. 2017-18 is an outlier.
I know we'll end up doing it because we always do, but I don't like the idea of ditching 18 o 31 unless we use 31 to move up in the draft. This will probably be as good as it gets for the foreseeable future to draft an impact player based on the draft captial we have available and how the arrow is pointing for this team. We need to hit a solid double with this pick to have a young, relatively cheap and controllable asset for this team.
(09-02-2020, 10:59 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2020, 10:21 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]What are you talking about?
Did you look out any contract or trade we did in the recent years?
Meh things:
1.Return on Barnes
2. Not seeing DP will tear his achilles.
3. Wrights bad fit.
Good things:
1.& 2. Shuffles to get WCS and Wright.
3. Klebers new contract. Seth contract. Not getting an Albatros last year.
Great thing:
DFS new contract.
Glorious thing:
Trading up for Luka for an future first with protections on it.
Unbelievable thing:
Trading for KP for two future firsts, one with protections and parts we wanted to get rid of.
I'm sure there's something I didn't notice but that's better than good for me.
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I'm talking about:
WTF things:
1. Barnes trade
2. Choice to extend Powell's contract when it was in no way necessary or needed.
3. Bungled trade w/ Miami that tied up our plans in key moments of the FA season.
4. Plan Powder, the gift that keeps giving year after year when it's proven many times over to be a failed approach (in all honesty, this alone is enough to fire many people over).
5. Matthews contract (even if it's acceptable what we did, why did we tell him that we would max him out on an achilles tear?)
Meh things:
1. DW's bad fit
2. Scrambling to get bodies on the team every year that RC can coach up when multiple plans fall through
3. WCS
4. Kleber, Curry, and Boban contracts
5. Barnes contract (there was good and bad to that)
6. Parsons contract (there was good and bad to that)
Good thing:
1. DFS contract
Glorious thing:
Trading up for Luka for an future first with protections on it.
Unbelievable thing:
Trading for KP for two future firsts, one with protections and parts we wanted to get rid of.
I'm sure there are plenty of things I missed as well, but...
We hit HUGE on 2 things that changed our narrative, that is all.
Ok, now I can see where you are coming from.
That's fair.
Plan Powder didn't get anyone fired because it was the owners plan. And it kinda worked in the end with KP.
By the way I hate plan powder and it's endless luck we got. But we put ourself im the position to use this luck.
I see scrambling for bodies as a transformation stage. And some of this bodies were great fun. Ellis, Zaza, Vince.
The success might not have been there, but it's like impossible to have always success in the NBA.
I don't see any Owner/GM/Coach combination I would prefer to our own.
(09-02-2020, 01:11 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see any Owner/GM/Coach combination I would prefer to our own.
I never said I wanted a replacement FO. I said I’d like for them to get the guy that can negotiate deals.
(09-02-2020, 01:36 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2020, 01:11 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see any Owner/GM/Coach combination I would prefer to our own.
I never said I wanted a replacement FO. I said I’d like for them to get the guy that can negotiate deals.
If Morey is gone, I wouldn't mind having him on staff.
Have we looked at teams with Trade exceptions that could fit Wright's contract? I would say there's a 50/50 chance he gets moved draft night to a team with a TE. If Mavs have to use a pick or a trade-down to move him then they will have the most ammunition draft night. Not sure whether that will be necessary or not but something to watch for.
(09-02-2020, 02:33 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Have we looked at teams with Trade exceptions that could fit Wright's contract? I would say there's a 50/50 chance he gets moved draft night to a team with a TE. If Mavs have to use a pick or a trade-down to move him then they will have the most ammunition draft night. Not sure whether that will be necessary or not but something to watch for.
I have asked you before, but again. Why would you do that? Why would you waste one of the few assets we have to move a contract on draft night? We will not get cap space by doing it. We don't gain anything by this move.
(09-02-2020, 02:37 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2020, 02:33 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Have we looked at teams with Trade exceptions that could fit Wright's contract? I would say there's a 50/50 chance he gets moved draft night to a team with a TE. If Mavs have to use a pick or a trade-down to move him then they will have the most ammunition draft night. Not sure whether that will be necessary or not but something to watch for.
I have asked you before, but again. Why would you do that? Why would you waste one of the few assets we have to move a contract on draft night? We will not get cap space by doing it. We don't gain anything by this move.
Mavs are more likely to trade Wright for a player on a shorter deal imo than trading for pure space (I think) but they would do that because they need to clear space in 2021 and Wright is not a fit. It happens. Suns traded TJ Warren last year on draft night to clear space. I am not saying it will happen that way but I am 90% sure Wright isn't on this team by the start of the season next year.
(09-02-2020, 02:49 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]but they would do that because they need to clear space in 2021 and Wright is not a fit.
But then you do it in 2021, if needed, not in 2020. It is just a total waste of asset to do it in 2020. Also much easier to drop expiring in 2021 than a 2 year deal in 2020.
(09-02-2020, 02:49 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Suns traded TJ Warren last year on draft night to clear space.
They did, but they needed cap space same year, not next season.
(09-02-2020, 02:49 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I am not saying it will happen that way but I am 90% sure Wright isn't on this team by the start of the season next year.
I am 99 % sure he will not be with the team in 2020/21. But I am also 99 % sure they will not just dump him.