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(11-19-2020, 07:32 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ][quote pid='46483' dateline='1605788754']
I think we are done with the Hayward/Dipo conversation.  What we need now is someone like Wood or OPJ to move DFS or Maxi to the bench.  I'm hoping this is where keeping Lee during the bubble comes into play.

Love, love love your two targets. Would be awesome to get both. Only thing I’ll say is when has RC not wanted more creators? I believe that is the genesis of his little people ball coaching.
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If I were king for a day, I'd use part of the MLE on each of my second rounders and lock them up.  I'd bring back WCS for something like what DFS got using more of the MLE.  I'd offer Wright/Jackson for Wood and I'd bring back Lee to ease Green into his spot.

Note from the Bogdanovic deal that picks were not part of the trade for SAC and the players being sent were nothing special.  Detroit can actually use Wright.  If Wood is leaving, why not deal with Dallas rather than losing him for nothing.

KP/WCS/Boban
Wood/Maxi/Powell
Luka/DFS/Bey
THJ/Green/Lee
Richardson/Brunson/Terry

DEEP!

Another thing. 2027 pick has no value for me now as a pick. It should be used to improve the veterans on our team. Either this year or very soon afterwards.

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(11-19-2020, 07:58 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Note from the Bogdanovic deal that picks were not part of the trade for SAC and the players being sent were nothing special.  Detroit can actually use Wright.

Not so sure. It was reported that Sacramento loves DiVinzenzo. Young, rookie contract, still improving. You can't compare that with Wright. If you are trading for Wood, you give draft compensatio imho. But I am ok with it. If you think Wood is the missing piece, you pay for him. Personally I am not so sure about him, but sometimes we just see things differently. If pick is what it takes to get that final guy, it should not be an issue!

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As for Wood. You really don't need WCS if you trade for him. Powell will not be a third PF, total waste of assets. Wood, Kleber, DFS, Powell and Bobi are perfectly enough in the frontcourt until KP returns.

Christian Wood is my broken record but watching Donnie's press conference (did he say "shoot the piss out of the ball" lol) he basically said they went defense and told us he is upgrading both sides.  Meaning to me that the next move is an offensive minded addition to the team.  I just think Gallinari is the target.

(11-19-2020, 07:25 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]What we need now is someone like Wood or OPJ to move DFS or Maxi to the bench. 

I LIKE this. Though I am not upset with Gallo at the right price.

(11-19-2020, 07:00 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2020, 01:05 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]@"DanSchwartzman" It's not really being talked about, but aren't we technically still within the boundaries of your plan HIBW? In fact, if the off season stopped right this second, are they CLOSER to cap space?

And they've managed to completely misdirect us away from complaining about it. 

If this works, you extend Richardson and maybe even THJ. Or, one or the other. If not - there's some space to sign players, absorb contracts (for draft capital), etc, etc. 

Donnie is KILLING IT lately, immfhao

I agree.  Richardson is probably expiring as he will opt-out next summer assuming health.  People can debate who is better, but the Mav's got someone who fits better and has a shorter contract.  That is HIBW's for sure.  

The have an interesting decision to make on the rookies second rounders.  They don't have to guarantee their second year, and their standard deal is similar to a minimum.  But, we can pay them anything we want using cap room (if available) or exceptions.   If they go the route they did with Brunson and use some of the MLE, that uses up extra cap room. 

Of course, it they use some of the MLE, then any more talent that comes here comes via trade.  So, HIBW's still depends on the duration of the player they trade for.  If they trade for Gallinari on a multi-year...not so HIBW's.  They might as well extend THJ and Richardson when they can.  If they deal Wright/Jackson for someone like Thaddeus Young, that is HIBW's.  Personally, I'd like to see Christian Wood here.  Maybe you trade for him using Wright/Jackson.  Maybe you sign him with the MLE to a 1+1 with the idea you use cap room on him next summer (not max, but we will have some room).  

It feels to me like we need a starting 4.  It would make the lineup make sense.  If Wright/Jackson go out, you have five guards in Luka/Richardson, Brunson/Green and Terry.  You have five bigs in KP/(Wood), Maxi/Powell and Boban.  THJ and DFS would be your 3's and Bey probably starts in the G-League.

OK. Acronym creep has caught me again. I’ve tried to get it from context, but can’t figure out HIBW. High Intensity Basketball Workout? Hidden Intelligence Ball Washer? How I Bet Weekly?

Nothing seems to fit. 

p.s. - my productivity sucked at work the last few days because of this board. Keep up the great work!!!

(11-19-2020, 08:25 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]OK. Acronym creep has caught me again. I’ve tried to get it from context, but can’t figure out HIBW.

Have it both ways.  In context of keeping the 2021 Giannis chase alive while improving the team now.

(11-19-2020, 07:13 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I know the Mavs want to make more moves but I am actually really happy with the current roster.

Doncic / Brunson
THJ / Green / Terry
Richardson
DFS / Kleber / Bey
KP / Boban

Not interested in any of the injury-prone big names or big contracts. Add a 3/4 or 4/5 with the MLE. Best case would be Crowder, Millsap or Favors.
Move Wright and Jackson  to clear roster spots or trade them for better fitting overpaid guys like Kyle Anderson or Thad Young.
If the Mavs still have a free roster spot. Add a reclamation project like Josh Jackson or bring back Trey Burke.

This is where I’m at too. This is a good roster. Much improved over last year, more well rounded with some actual young guys they can develop too. 

I’m not interested in trading for THJ for other injury prone players. I think we are too close and are under evaluating what THJ is and has been. He’s a solid 3rd and good 4th option. If they can add another shooter(Bogdon/Gallo ect...) with some of the other assets and keep the 4 starters they have now then it’ll put them on another level imo. 

And I do believe this draft and the Richardson trade means they can add a good shooter who isn’t great on defense now. I did not like Bogdon/Gallo with last years roster. It just makes them more deadly offensively and worse defensively. 

They’ll be better defensively no matter what next season now.

(11-19-2020, 08:07 AM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Christian Wood is my broken record but watching Donnie's press conference (did he say "shoot the piss out of the ball" lol) he basically said they went defense and told us he is upgrading both sides.  Meaning to me that the next move is an offensive minded addition to the team.  I just think Gallinari is the target.

Yeah, I had exactly the same feeling

Quote:Is it anyway possible to get Hayward AND Millsap?

This would be my preference. THJ for Hayward. Hayward takes some off the offensive weight off of Luka as a point forward. When playoffs roll around you need 2 or 3 dependable ball handlers in halfcourt offense. The Rockets formula of everyone everyone standing around while Harden dribbles for 22 seconds doesn't work in the playoffs. LeBron is the greatest point forward in NBA history, and he is always at his best when he's sharing the ball back and forth with Playoff Rondo or Kyrie in critical moments in half court. Speaking of Rondo, as I said in another thread, I don't get why the Hawks are going to want Hayward (or why Hayward wants to go there) if they're going to sign Rondo and still feature around Trae with a ton of usage. Just making Hayward a generic spot up off ball shooting small forward completely negligates what makes Hayward unique and why you pay him that salary. Bogdanovic makes much more sense for them if they're signing Rondo.

Millsap is big versatile vet muscle that you can have on the floor in a Game 7 that can make a positive impact on offense and defense without having to scheme your offense through. I don't mind giving a 2nd year because the 2021 FA class isn't that great.

Trade Wright for a bag of balls.

Sign a big for vet minimum.

Yeah to me Secondary ball handling and/or a shot creator are the biggest needs.

If they can get a scorer who can create his own shot(or for others) then they’ll be in good shape.

I'm starting to think that Harden goes to the Sixers. Morey unloaded a lot of salary last night between Horford and Richardson.

I know the Rockets owner probably doesn't want to deal Harden to Morey, but at the end of the day it's just business and the Sixers can offer a young star like Ben Simmons and the Nets can only offer a Poo Poo Platter package of role players and late first draft picks.

[b]Pick: 18[/b]
Team: Mavericks | Player: Josh [b]Green[/b] | 6-6 wing | 215 | 19, freshman | Arizona

Vecenie’s scouting report: Green is a monster defender on the ball due to his athleticism and lateral quickness. He’s tenacious and switchable due to his 6-foot-6 frame and 6-10 wingspan. I love him on that end. Offensively, he can pass it and make decisions, but he’s not a ballhandler. It’ll all come down to where the jumper settles in. That remains unclear. If he’s a 36 percent shooter like he was this season, he’ll be a starter.


Ranking: No. 22
Hollinger’s team fit: Green feels like a bit of a reach here, a theoretical 3-and-D guy that hasn’t shown nearly enough of the “3” and has been inconsistent on the “D.” He has good size and quickness for a wing but needs to refine his dribble game and finishing. I thought there were better fits available here.

I would have picked… Vecenie: Saddiq Bey| Hollinger: Saddiq Bey

[b]Pick: 31[/b]
Team: Mavericks (from GSW) | Player: [b]Tyrell Terry[/b] | 6-1 guard | 170 | 19, freshman | Stanford

Vecenie’s scouting report: I really like Terry, and think he has a chance to be a major part of some winning teams. He’s a genuinely elite level shooter, a terrific decision-maker who processes the game at a really high level, and a very high-level competitor. I don’t think it’s an accident that Stanford got a lot better last year by essentially replacing 2019 No. 32 overall pick with Terry. I’m just not necessarily convinced he’s going to be able to handle being a top offensive initiator in the NBA, which creates some questions at his size.
Rank: No. 20

Hollinger’s team fit: The Mavs need shooting around , so this pick is such a logical fit that I can ignore the fact that I had a few other players rated higher. Terry is limited, but he’s young and can really shoot. Playing next to Luka will subtract his worst weakness, playing on the ball.

I would have picked… Vecenie: Terry | Hollinger: Terry

[b]Pick: 36[/b]
Team: Mavericks (from PHI via NY) | Player: [b]Tyler Bey[/b] | 6-7 wing | 210 | 22 | Colorado

Vecenie’s scouting report: This will be fun, because Hollinger and I have very disparate views on Bey. He’s an elite level quick twitch athlete with great length. But I just don’t love anything else he does. I thought he was an overrated defender who got driven on-ball more often than you’d like to see for a guy whose whole skill package is defense. Offensively, he’s a poor decision-maker and can’t shoot. I had a two-way grade on him due to athleticism, but I don’t love the skills and feel.
Rank: No. 55

Hollinger’s team fit: Unlike Sam I had a late first-round grade on Bey, he’s a high-wire athlete who can defend multiple positions but needs to refine his shooting and make better decisions at both ends. I still think Paul Reed is better, but Bey has a chance to be an impact player off the bench

I would have picked… Vecenie: Tre Jones, or 15 other guys | Hollinger: Paul Reed

(11-19-2020, 07:25 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]As Killer said, I think Richardson relieves some of Hardaway's shortcomings.  Richardson is a good playmaker and will cover the opponents best guard.  Since neither THJ nor Luka are cut out for that defensive role, it make their pairing an issue.  If you want secondary playmaking, it often comes from a guard.  But THJ isn't good at that either.  But, THJ is a good spacer and Luka/Richardson need that.

All three can and should start together because Richardson glues it all together in a way Curry couldn't.  If the guy could hit 40% of his 3's he'd be making $20mm a year.  He's basically a poor man's Holiday.  Plus, it is position-less basketball.  Luka is really a point forward, not a point guard.  Hardaway is a wing.  He gets half his time at SG and half at SF.  Richardson is a secondary ball handler/point of attack defender.  It all works just fine.  

I think we are done with the Hayward/Dipo conversation.  What we need now is someone like Wood or OPJ to move DFS or Maxi to the bench.  I'm hoping this is where keeping Lee during the bubble comes into play.

Going in reverse, I personally want no part of Dipo (1 year wonder, health concerns, expiring so we have no idea the contract he will demand, and his attitude doesn't seem like a match for what the MBT are trying to build) or to a lesser extent Hayward (still kind of worried about his health, going to be expensive to retain long term). Of the two, Hayward would be my choice but I sure wouldn't sleep easy at night.

Wood is a 70 game sample size. Those last 70 games are impressive, but what do you pay a guy like that in terms of years and dollars? Not sure. If you are sure about him, pull the trigger. He's the perfect age for this team. Never liked OPJ and if Luka's knock-on effect gets Richardson's offensive game back to his Miami days, we don't need him, especially if you want to start developing Allen.

Richardson's offensive game is below average. He could very well shoot 40% rom deep here and if he earns 20M per year, I hope it isn't from us. Maybe he becomes our Marcus Smart, but I'd want to compensate him similarly. The trade makes sense, we were dreadful on defense last year and get a prospect like Bey is a nice kicker for losing the long term control we have over Curry.

THJ is pretty simple in my eyes. MBT needs to ask themselves what are the long term plans for him. If KP can stay healthy, THJ long term is fine. The problem is that you can't count on that. THJ is a great third banana and some nights, when he is hot, he can be the second banana but he's not consistent enough to do it night in and night out. He also needs to start because he's proven that he can't be a sixth man. The biggest problem this team had offensively was in the crunch. You've got to get a consistent secondary play maker. THJ wants to be here long term and their hearts, MBT probably want that too but you can't think with your heart. If we can upgrade the punch that THJ offensively, it's time. I have no idea how realistic Buddy Love or Bogdan are but if that's an option, run don't walk. If they aren't an option, and while I don't love his age, Lou Williams would be the prefect supplement.

With all the new pieces, Curry being traded away and KP's injury, our historic offense is going to take a hit this year. That should be offset somewhat with improved defense.

MBT did a good job last night of giving the team the potential to have the depth of a team like a Miami. And with our Giannis pipe dream all but dashed or certainly delayed, I'm okay locking up a 3rd banana as version one of this Luka/KP/??? core even if ??? is an overpay. And speaking of overpay, as mentioned above, while Dipo and Hayward have never been part of my conversation, Buddy or Bogdan have. Both probably cost you a little more than you want to pay but both get you closer to that historic offense and both can help with our crunch time woes. We've also got the platoon of defenders now to help offset their woes. The question I keep asking is would I mind either as that ??? third piece and in both cases the answer is no.

Donnie said we aren't done. Obviously we need another 4/5 but I hope his statement is bigger than that.

All of that and not one mention of Millsap, be proud of me. haha

I'm not so exciting about new players.

First the draft..

18 pick and Green i don't see longterm fit in Dallas. From what i saw, he is good in a lot of things in the game but not elite in any of them. Saddiq Bey, Tyrese Maxey, R.J. Hampton, Desmond Bane were all able to draft with higher ceiling but....
I don't know, but it smells me he is a bust and his value will only go down.

With 31 pick and Terry... I think he could have some role in Dallas, but i think he is still not nba ready, but we will see...

The only player which i think that will have his role in the roster now is Tyler Bey and i think he is the biggest winner in the trade...

In the trade with 76'ers i think Dallas is a winner.

We got a Tyler Bey and Richardson. Richardson will bring a lot of good things we needed as a secondary creator, good athlete and a perimeter defender. We will miss Curry but i think his value was the highest now. I think his numbers and percenteges could dramaticly changed in Philadelphia where will have only few players that could space the floor. On the other side, we will see if Richardson is longterm Mavs or. just 1 year rental. I'ts interesting that i'ts also represent by Duffy.

With Curry gone, resigning Burke i'ts now much more needed.

With WCS opting out, Porzingis injured and Powell coming back from a injury i think on of the priority should also be a trading for a big man. Gallinari makes no sense and with a trade for Richardson the same think for Bogdanovic.

? - Powell - Marjanovic
Porzingis - Kleber
Richardson - DFS - Bey
Hardaway Jr - Burke
Luka - Brunson - Terry

For now now nothing important has changed. We add some defense and lose some shooting, but for now i think we are more or less on the same level than last year.

Also we still have Jackson and Wright under a contract.

Is Oklahoma still interesting for trading Oubre for a first round pick?

We should try 3 team trade:

Oklahoma: Wright, Jackson + 18 pick (Green)
Indiana: Oubre
Dallas: Myles Turner

So the thing I like about last night is that Josh Richardson really shored up the starting lineup and Mavs still have more moves they can make to bring in veterans.

I like that we don't have to depend on contributions from the 3 prospects drafted this year. In my opinion if any of them crack the regular rotation that would be a win.

Mavs have MLE + Wright and Jackson contracts that they could flip for someone else. They also could end up doing a WCS S&T with someone to get a small asset back. Bringing in a couple vets would put even less pressure on the rookies to have to contribute for the Mavs bench to be successful.

(11-19-2020, 05:10 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2020, 04:59 AM)Kingsideboogie Wrote: [ -> ]What do you guys think about Aron Baynes? This guy is a free agent this off season, will be relatively cheap, and fills a solid need for us down low especially with Porzingis missing the start of the season. He brings a toughness too, and can shoot from the outside. I think low-key it is a pickup that can really solidify all the great moves we have made so far in this draft.

He is a good player, but i think Mavs will be looking for vet min guy. Once KP returns, Baynes would be redundand. If there is no other use for Jackson contract, why not trade him to Utah for Ed Davis and perhaps get a future second rounder from them?

I think Baynes being redundant to KP is one of his best qualities. When KP is out, whether it be the start of the season, or if you have to rest him, you can pretty much plug in Baynes and have a similar game to KP as he can be a stretch 5 too (obviously touches wouldn't be the same). I think having some stability and depth at the 5 is something that would go miles in a condensed season like this, and Baynes is not only attainable for a relatively cheap price (maybe our MLE), but he was a huge contributor to last years suns while Ayton was out which is sort of the role we're asking of him here.

https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/stat...26627?s=20

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https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/...47521?s=20

If the Mavs had given up 36 and Curry for Richardson, I would still be happy.  Considering all the crazy cost of trades around the league, the Sixer/Mavs trade seems so logical and helps both teams where they need it.  Refreshing.

It sounds like Jae wants to stay in Miami all things being relatively equal.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2881...i%20Herald.