(11-21-2020, 03:30 PM)wisco Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2020, 03:24 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Johnson and Bey will be PF's in Rick's system.
Bey is going to play for the Legends 95% of the time
totally agree with this wisco.
(11-21-2020, 03:29 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2020, 03:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2020, 03:17 PM)wisco Wrote: [ -> ]Do we really need another SG/SF? Or can he play the 4?
I think we need more playmaking. Luka is other worldly. But this team is still lacking another playmaker, especially when Luka sits for 15 minutes. Do we really want to rely on Brunson/Burke/Terry? Brunson is the only one I'm somewhat comfortable with in that role, but even then we saw last year he was stagnant in his development and made plenty of errors.
God forbid any injury occurs to any one of them and the Mavs are boned. Bogdon provides the same type of scoring THJ does, but also some fantastic playmaking, especially off the PnR.
To add, I do think we need another big also to round out the rotation. Milsap is probably the best among them left. I don't see Ibaka realistically coming here on a discount. Baynes is another I think that would fit seamlessly.
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I like Bogdan + Baynes a lot...but seems like a longshot to me. We created max space for next year only to give it up one day later?
(11-21-2020, 03:30 PM)wisco Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2020, 03:24 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Johnson and Bey will be PF's in Rick's system.
Bey is going to play for the Legends 95% of the time
Actually, A) are we even sure that the Legends will exist this season?
B) as Donnie told us the other day, the 2-way contracts don't have day/game limits this year, meaning they can essentially be with the Mavericks full time. There are essentially 17 roster spots.
Super smart of Donnie to take advantage of that with Bey to create an extra roster spot for a vet. If they don't use it, they can simply convert Bey to a real roster spot at any point.
So, while it's possible Bey doesn't figure into the immediate on-court plans, I'd say it's premature to make that declaration.
(11-21-2020, 03:34 PM)wisco Wrote: [ -> ]I like Bogdan + Baynes a lot...but seems like a longshot to me. We created max space for next year only to give it up one day later?
The thing about cap space is that it's malleable. If Giannis wants to come to Dallas, he's going to come to Dallas regardless if the Mavs have space or not.
Lets say in a perfect world the Mavs get Bogdon at his 4/72 deal. Bogdon in 2021 would be making 17 mil. If the Mavs were to trade Maxi and take nothing in return, they'd 4 mill off of Giannis' max. S/W of Powell would put them well over the top.
Mavs could also do a SnT of Giannis to workaround any of those blockades. The point is, if Giannis wants to come to Dallas, capspace isn't the barrier.
(11-21-2020, 03:34 PM)wisco Wrote: [ -> ]I like Bogdan + Baynes a lot...but seems like a longshot to me. We created max space for next year only to give it up one day later?
Bogi is not going to happen, but if it did getting back to max space is pretty easy as you'd have four assets that could easily be moved for space:
-Richardson (expiring or S&T)
-Maxi/DFS on value contracts
-Bogi (he's in high demand so trading him would be a lot easier than the guy you'd be upgrading from (THJ)). Even if it's a sight overpay, we rehabbed THJ to the point where his contract didn't seem so bad. There is no reason to think Bogi off of the King's isn't a performance bump and then a performance bump from playing with Luka in Carlisle's system.
Cap room is nice and all, but assets that help you now to keep your superstars happy that can be moved to get you cap space or in a trade for a superstar are better.
(11-21-2020, 03:23 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]^ wut
There's no defined pg, sg, sf postions anymore
Exactly. Give me the best talent possible. Bring BB here and we'll deal with things as they come. There are still roads to Giannis that aren't difficult to navigate, should he decide he wants to be here.
In terms of forwards I think DFS could both start at PF and give you some SF minutes. If Mavs were able to land another big wing then its possible DFS gets moved to the bench and gets his minutes there at both PF and SF. Mavs could just get a backup C like Baynes and still be fine. With KP's injury history its not a bad idea to have 1 more big in the mix. I do think between DFS and Josh Green you should have most of your backup SF minutes covered. THJ and Rich are "wings" with one of them technically eating up a lot of those starting SF minutes.
Roster at 14.
Burke gets some of the MLE.
Terry is likely to get some of the MLE.
So it sounds like we're likely done outside of one cheap signing for whatever remains of the MLE. WCS type? Baynes probably wants bigger deal and bigger role once KP/Powell healthy.
What are the chances Bogi doesn’t get a good enough deal from a contender and he signs the 1 year deal to be an unrestricted FA next offseason?
(11-21-2020, 04:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Roster at 14.
Burke gets some of the MLE.
Terry is likely to get some of the MLE.
So it sounds like we're likely done outside of one cheap signing for whatever remains of the MLE. WCS type?
I think this is what to expect, yep.
(11-21-2020, 04:02 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]What are the chances Bogi doesn’t get a good enough deal from a contender and he signs the 1 year deal to be an unrestricted FA next offseason?
Zero. Atlanta or New York will money whip him.
Something big is brewing for him.
(11-21-2020, 04:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Roster at 14.
Burke gets some of the MLE.
Terry is likely to get some of the MLE.
So it sounds like we're likely done outside of one cheap signing for whatever remains of the MLE. WCS type?
Are you counting Barea? Cause I'm at 13
Luka/Brunson/Terry
THJ/Burke/Green
JRich/DFS/
Johnson/Maxi
KP/Boban/Powell
Bey+Hinton on 2-ways.
Realistically I would be happy with WCS or Baynes. There are tons of guys out there that are at least decent, I don't doubt Mavs will get someone useful.
(11-21-2020, 03:58 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]In terms of forwards I think DFS could both start at PF and give you some SF minutes. If Mavs were able to land another big wing then its possible DFS gets moved to the bench and gets his minutes there at both PF and SF. Mavs could just get a backup C like Baynes and still be fine. With KP's injury history its not a bad idea to have 1 more big in the mix. I do think between DFS and Josh Green you should have most of your backup SF minutes covered. THJ and Rich are "wings" with one of them technically eating up a lot of those starting SF minutes.
This is about right. It gets more complicated when you think about KP being a 4 on offense and 5 on defense. Luka is a 1 on offense and 1-3 on defense i guess depending on matchups.
(11-21-2020, 04:07 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Realistically I would be happy with WCS or Baynes. There are tons of guys out there that are at least decent, I don't doubt Mavs will get someone useful.
You would think those deals would be done by now if those were the targets. Maybe we are running out some more ground balls...
(11-21-2020, 04:08 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2020, 03:58 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]In terms of forwards I think DFS could both start at PF and give you some SF minutes. If Mavs were able to land another big wing then its possible DFS gets moved to the bench and gets his minutes there at both PF and SF. Mavs could just get a backup C like Baynes and still be fine. With KP's injury history its not a bad idea to have 1 more big in the mix. I do think between DFS and Josh Green you should have most of your backup SF minutes covered. THJ and Rich are "wings" with one of them technically eating up a lot of those starting SF minutes.
This is about right. It gets more complicated when you think about KP being a 4 on offense and 5 on defense. Luka is a 1 on offense and 1-3 on defense i guess depending on matchups.
Post-Powell, KP became the 5 on offense and never looked back. Even in the playoffs KP was the 5. He does more rolling and other things as the center. On defense clearly he is the 5. You know he's the 5 for sure because they don't play him much with an actual 5 like Boban a lot (altho when they do I love it). This is why I was not crazy ab all this Wood hype. Wood of course is like a PF/C hybrid but in Rick's system he would be the 5. KP needs to be the 5 so that he has more to do than stand out on the perimeter. He needs to play next to a stretch 4 which has been a part of Rick's offense for more than a decade. Last year Rick tried Powell and KP together and it didn't work at all. After Powell's injury we saw KP unleashed as the 5 and so that put the end of any idea that KP would ever play next to another rim-rolling center again.
(11-21-2020, 04:09 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2020, 04:07 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Realistically I would be happy with WCS or Baynes. There are tons of guys out there that are at least decent, I don't doubt Mavs will get someone useful.
You would think those deals would be done by now if those were the targets. Maybe we are running out some more ground balls...
Those type of deals can get done whenever so I am sure they are still trying for something better. With the game of musical chairs going on its possible that an Ibaka, Millsap-level talent all of a sudden run out of suitors (altho not likely). At that point Mavs snatch up that player. Assuming that doesn't happen then Mavs will settle into a nice backup big.
Bog is the only biggish name still out there and it's unlikely he will join the Mavs.
Otherwise you have I think Ibaka, Millsap, Gasol as some of the more interesting names at center. Ibaka will prob go to Nets, Millsap probably stays (altho how come a deal isn't done yet?) and Gasol is the type of name that could slip through. Lakers would only offer him a vet min and I am not sure he is a Lakers type of guy. I would love his type of leadership on the Mavs.
The thing ab Gasol is he won't look great most of the time but come playoff time he will give you an epic defensive performance or two in a playoff series.
(11-21-2020, 04:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2020, 04:08 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2020, 03:58 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]In terms of forwards I think DFS could both start at PF and give you some SF minutes. If Mavs were able to land another big wing then its possible DFS gets moved to the bench and gets his minutes there at both PF and SF. Mavs could just get a backup C like Baynes and still be fine. With KP's injury history its not a bad idea to have 1 more big in the mix. I do think between DFS and Josh Green you should have most of your backup SF minutes covered. THJ and Rich are "wings" with one of them technically eating up a lot of those starting SF minutes.
This is about right. It gets more complicated when you think about KP being a 4 on offense and 5 on defense. Luka is a 1 on offense and 1-3 on defense i guess depending on matchups.
Post-Powell, KP became the 5 on offense and never looked back. Even in the playoffs KP was the 5. He does more rolling and other things as the center. On defense clearly he is the 5. You know he's the 5 for sure because they don't play him much with an actual 5 like Boban a lot (altho when they do I love it). This is why I was not crazy ab all this Wood hype. Wood of course is like a PF/C hybrid but in Rick's system he would be the 5. KP needs to be the 5 so that he has more to do than stand out on the perimeter. He needs to play next to a stretch 4 which has been a part of Rick's offense for more than a decade. Last year Rick tried Powell and KP together and it didn't work at all. After Powell's injury we saw KP unleashed as the 5 and so that put the end of any idea that KP would ever play next to another rim-rolling center again.
I don’t remember KP down low on offense at all. He was basically a bootleg version of Dirk on offense all year. When he’s out there I think we need someone who can play down low and get offensive boards. I don’t understand how 5 guys on the 3pt line will work forever. That’s where i can see Johnson or DFS thriving