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(11-05-2020, 09:46 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TomMoorePhilly/statu...3220618240

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Interest in Buddy rising.

(11-05-2020, 09:42 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not giving up asset for Harris.  Curry, Maxi, 18 + 31 might not have a ton of value

Perhaps we don't understand eachother. I am not suggesting we give our picks for Harris. However, I also see expiring THJ as an equal asset to Curry and Maxi. So, from Mavs point of view, how I see it: paying Curry, Maxi and Powell makes the "Harris 2021 cap hit" just around 8 mil. This means we would have 92 mil of committed salary+2020 picks+Thybulle. Let's assume the MLE would be 1 year. Dump Wright and we are around 90 mil of committed salary, which means 19 million if cap stays the same. This cap space should be more than enough to sign a decent SG.

Ok. I'm still giggling about the "terrible opinion stick," so thanks, KL. Unfortunately, I read the whole post, so I have a feeling you'll think I got hit with it, too.

I'll believe the Mavs don't have to overpay when I see it. I'll believe they can draw big-time free agents when I see it. Does Luka change that? I'll believe that when I see it. Right now, it's all talk. I believe powder is a myth and so is flexibility. The Heat had 13 players under contract due $141 million for the 19-20 season. They were over the hard cap by almost $9M. The Miami Herald stated the Heat "are not in a position to aggressively pursue free agents." If a player wants on a team, it will happen. Ergo, I believe in acquiring as many good players as humanly possible any way you can and letting the chips fall where they may. Last off-season, the Mavs crapped their pants, turned around, walked through the puddle of poo that ran down their leg, and slipped and fell down in it face first. I don't know why for sure, but I think the management grossly underestimated the power of Luka. The only other option is gross incompetence, and that is not something I want to believe. They could have gotten players that would have made a difference. Players that make them better now or could be used to get even better players down the road. That's how it works, and I hear the cries about Big Don's mad science, but he tried like hell to keep making the team better. Luka is here now. We can and should get better now. Screw 2021. Find 2 or 3 dudes that put Powell, Kleber, and/or DFS back on the 2nd unit. Draft 'em; trade for 'em. I don't care. Get it done.

Just like Jimmy Butler, Giannis will be on whatever team he wants to be 100% regardless of the Mavs powder and flexibility. I say you better put your best foot forward. Now get off my lawn.

(11-05-2020, 09:54 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2020, 09:42 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not giving up asset for Harris.  Curry, Maxi, 18 + 31 might not have a ton of value

Perhaps we don't understand eachother. I am not suggesting we give our picks for Harris. However, I also see expiring THJ as an equal asset to Curry and Maxi. So, from Mavs point of view, how I see it: paying Curry, Maxi and Powell makes the "Harris 2021 cap hit" just around 8 mil. This means we would have 92 mil of committed salary+2020 picks+Thybulle. Let's assume the MLE would be 1 year. Dump Wright and we are around 90 mil of committed salary, which means 19 million if cap stays the same. This cap space should be more than enough to sign a decent SG.

You need to add 5m to your Harris projection in 20/21 due to his trade kicker.  I'm not interested in 76ers 2020 pick.  What would make the Harris trade attractive from my perspective would certainly not be something the 76ers would entertain.

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(11-05-2020, 08:02 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]......because there's evidently no such thing as a salary cap that affects future team-building.

I am really not sure what you are trying to say with your comment?

I am saying that it's not just Mark's money. The decision to acquire Harris ties up a third of our cap in him. That has a simply colossal real-world effect on what the Mavs can and can't do moving forward.

(11-05-2020, 09:57 PM)SweetFidelia Wrote: [ -> ]Ok.  I'm still giggling about the "terrible opinion stick," so thanks, KL.  Unfortunately, I read the whole post, so I have a feeling you'll think I got hit with it, too.

I'll believe the Mavs don't have to overpay when I see it.  I'll believe they can draw big-time free agents when I see it.  Does Luka change that?  I'll believe that when I see it.  Right now, it's all talk.  I believe powder is a myth and so is flexibility.  The Heat had 13 players under contract due $141 million for the 19-20 season.  They were over the hard cap by almost $9M. The Miami Herald stated the Heat "are not in a position to aggressively pursue free agents."  If a player wants on a team, it will happen.  Ergo, I believe in acquiring as many good players as humanly possible any way you can and letting the chips fall where they may.  Last off-season, the Mavs crapped their pants, turned around, walked through the puddle of poo that ran down their leg, and slipped and fell down in it face first.  I don't know why for sure, but I think the management grossly underestimated the power of Luka.  The only other option is gross incompetence, and that is not something I want to believe.  They could have gotten players that would have made a difference.  Players that make them better now or could be used to get even better players down the road.  That's how it works, and I hear the cries about Big Don's mad science, but he tried like hell to keep making the team better.  Luka is here now.  We can and should get better now.  Screw 2021.  Find 2 or 3 dudes that put Powell, Kleber, and/or DFS back on the 2nd unit.  Draft 'em; trade for 'em.  I don't care.  Get it done.

Just like Jimmy Butler, Giannis will be on whatever team he wants to be 100% regardless of the Mavs powder and flexibility.  I say you better put your best foot forward.  Now get off my lawn.

Can I like this post a few more times please?

(11-05-2020, 09:57 PM)SweetFidelia Wrote: [ -> ]Ok. I'm still giggling about the "terrible opinion stick," so thanks, KL. Unfortunately, I read the whole post, so I have a feeling you'll think I got hit with it, too.

I'll believe the Mavs don't have to overpay when I see it. I'll believe they can draw big-time free agents when I see it. Does Luka change that? I'll believe that when I see it. Right now, it's all talk. I believe powder is a myth and so is flexibility. The Heat had 13 players under contract due $141 million for the 19-20 season. They were over the hard cap by almost $9M. The Miami Herald stated the Heat "are not in a position to aggressively pursue free agents." If a player wants on a team, it will happen. Ergo, I believe in acquiring as many good players as humanly possible any way you can and letting the chips fall where they may. Last off-season, the Mavs crapped their pants, turned around, walked through the puddle of poo that ran down their leg, and slipped and fell down in it face first. I don't know why for sure, but I think the management grossly underestimated the power of Luka. The only other option is gross incompetence, and that is not something I want to believe. They could have gotten players that would have made a difference. Players that make them better now or could be used to get even better players down the road. That's how it works, and I hear the cries about Big Don's mad science, but he tried like hell to keep making the team better. Luka is here now. We can and should get better now. Screw 2021. Find 2 or 3 dudes that put Powell, Kleber, and/or DFS back on the 2nd unit. Draft 'em; trade for 'em. I don't care. Get it done.

Just like Jimmy Butler, Giannis will be on whatever team he wants to be 100% regardless of the Mavs powder and flexibility. I say you better put your best foot forward. Now get off my lawn.

This post holds water in terms of the Mavs adding players who are paid their value or less. I am all in favor of that. I'm not in favor of cluttering our cap. We have three bad contracts now - Powell, Wright, and THJ (which is not so bad in that he is expiring in '21). We certainly don't need to take on a major albatross.

Two more things - 1) I think that the Mavs' bed-messing of the '19 offseason had a lot to do with not understanding that everyone was tampering and that there would be no consequences to it. The bulk of free agency was done before they had even gotten started. 2) There's a galaxy of difference in FA attractability between ROY Luka and 4th-in-MVP-voting Luka.

(11-05-2020, 09:57 PM)SweetFidelia Wrote: [ -> ]Ok.  I'm still giggling about the "terrible opinion stick," so thanks, KL.  Unfortunately, I read the whole post, so I have a feeling you'll think I got hit with it, too.

I'll believe the Mavs don't have to overpay when I see it.  I'll believe they can draw big-time free agents when I see it.  Does Luka change that?  I'll believe that when I see it.  Right now, it's all talk.  I believe powder is a myth and so is flexibility.  The Heat had 13 players under contract due $141 million for the 19-20 season.  They were over the hard cap by almost $9M. The Miami Herald stated the Heat "are not in a position to aggressively pursue free agents."  If a player wants on a team, it will happen.  Ergo, I believe in acquiring as many good players as humanly possible any way you can and letting the chips fall where they may.  Last off-season, the Mavs crapped their pants, turned around, walked through the puddle of poo that ran down their leg, and slipped and fell down in it face first.  I don't know why for sure, but I think the management grossly underestimated the power of Luka.  The only other option is gross incompetence, and that is not something I want to believe.  They could have gotten players that would have made a difference.  Players that make them better now or could be used to get even better players down the road.  That's how it works, and I hear the cries about Big Don's mad science, but he tried like hell to keep making the team better.  Luka is here now.  We can and should get better now.  Screw 2021.  Find 2 or 3 dudes that put Powell, Kleber, and/or DFS back on the 2nd unit.  Draft 'em; trade for 'em.  I don't care.  Get it done.

Just like Jimmy Butler, Giannis will be on whatever team he wants to be 100% regardless of the Mavs powder and flexibility.  I say you better put your best foot forward.  Now get off my lawn.

The approach from when Nash/Dirk were young didn't work. They only got one championship out of it, and once they let Nash walk, Dirk never played with another all star again. I know there's comfort in what we have known before, but that was a BAD, BAD way of doing business. The goal should be to avoid repeating that process this time around at all costs. 

I'm not saying I definitely don't think they'll have to overpay to get different players, I'm saying I'd rather them not get different players than overpay for them. Big difference. I am more than fine with running back almost the same team next year, waiting for another no-brainer of an opportunity to come along. I'm not fine with moves that drastically reduce flexibility (to the point where you're locked into one kind of team building) unless they make the team way, way better.  

I remain hopeful that the Mavs have learned some things over the past 20 years, even if the community here has not.

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For what it's worth, these guys believe that Holiday ends up either in Brooklyn, Miami, Indiana or Dallas!

https://theathletic.com/2182184/2020/11/...-pelicans/


[b]Brooklyn Nets: Strong chance[/b]
Since Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving arrived in Brooklyn last summer, speculation hasn’t stopped about the team adding a potential third star to put it over the top. You might not find a better fit than Holiday. As an elite defender, he would be a welcomed addition to a team starved for lockdown defenders, and his ability to play off the ball makes him a logical fit alongside Irving and Durant. Spencer Dinwiddie, Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert and Taurean Prince are the Nets’ best trade assets, and some combination of the two along with one or two first-round picks could get the deal done. The Nets will likely try to keep LeVert out of any trade talks that they can, but he is another talented young player Pelicans executive vice president David Griffin could put in a core that includes Zion Williamson, Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball. Pelicans assistant general manager Trajan Langdon came to New Orleans after serving under Sean Marks in Brooklyn, giving the Pelicans some insight into the Nets’ situation.
[b]— Alex Schiffer[/b]


[b][b][b]Dallas Mavericks: Strong chance[/b][/b][/b]
Can you imagine a backcourt of Luka Doncic and Jrue Holiday? This is one of the deals I want to see the most when it comes to Holiday possibly landing on a new team. The Mavericks need a third guy like this, and he’s the exact type of playmaker on both ends of the floor. I don’t know what a deal looks like here, but it might have to include someone like Tim Hardaway Jr. (if he exercises his player option) and Seth Curry. Mavs fans may bristle at this, but THJ gives cap relief a year earlier and Curry gives the Pelicans some real value in return. Mavs owe two future picks to the Knicks, so finding future picks in a trade package could be tough. I’d say the Mavs getting involved in talks is highly likely.
[b][b][b]— Zach Harper[/b]
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[b][b][b][b][b]Miami Heat: Strong chance[/b][/b][/b][/b][/b]
Of all the teams vying for Holiday’s services, Miami is among the obvious favorites because of one person: Tyler Herro. After the display he put on in the bubble, Herro has become one of the more interesting prospects in the league because of his shotmaking and brash confidence. He wouldn’t be able to check off as many boxes as Holiday does, but Herro would be the exact kind of 3-point sniper New Orleans needs to give Zion and Ingram the space they need on the floor. If they throw in a role player like Kelly Olynyk and maybe one future pick, it would seem like an ideal trade for the Pelicans. But is Miami willing to give up on Herro after the huge part he played in its run to the NBA Finals? Holiday’s defense and experience would obviously provide an immediate upgrade for Miami at the two-guard position, and he would fit seamlessly into #HeatCulture. The viability of this deal will mostly be centered around Miami’s willingness to pass on Herro’s potential for a chance at a run with Holiday, Bam Adebayo  and Jimmy Butler as the cornerstones of the franchise.
[b][b][b][b][b]— Will Guillory[/b]
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[b][b][b][b][b][b][b]Indiana Pacers: Strong chance[/b][/b][/b][/b][/b][/b][/b]
Reuniting the Holiday brothers is the type of feel-good story we can all get behind, and going after Jrue would make some sense for Indiana if it believes Victor Oladipo is ready to go elsewhere. Jrue also knows the city well since his wife, Lauren, grew up in Indianapolis before she became a two-time gold medalist with the U.S. women’s national soccer team. Making Myles Turner the centerpiece of a Holiday trade would also make sense for both teams. Turner’s shot-blocking and 3-point range would fit perfectly next to Zion, and he’s already under contract for the next three seasons at about $18 million per year. The Pelicans may have hopes of landing a better prospect than Turner if they do move Holiday, but I’d expect the Pacers to be involved in this process throughout.
[b][b][b][b][b][b][b]— Will Guillory[/b][/b][/b][/b][/b][/b][/b]

(11-05-2020, 05:59 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]IF you're bound and determined to close ANY door to cap flexibility for the sake of "do something NOW" then the deal I'd make is Buddy Hield. He's attainable for what they have (if he's being shopped at all), he fits into the predefined role THJ was in last season, only he expands on it significantly. He has an edge to his personality that the team could use, imo. His age is in line with the team's timetable. 

I first started kicking this around as a lark a couple of months back, but the more I think about it, the more I love it. I think Hield, on a good team where he actually got good looks, would be LETHAL.

Yep. I've been backing you up all along the way. 
I actually don't think Hield locks you up financially. If you can get Powell and Wright outgoing in a trade this year, Kleber and Curry are easily movable to get the max slot for Giannis if needed next year. It's a declining contract by 2 mill a year. Love those type of deals. 

Paul and Griffin are probably the only other players that you'll need 30+ mill for if they opt out in FA. That's solely because of what they are making now... They won't opt out and take massive payouts.

Really a trade for Hield is basically a long term extension for THJ on a team friendly deal.

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(11-05-2020, 06:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2020, 06:14 PM)Oman Wrote: [ -> ]Hield is similarly overpaid as Harris. He is only a year younger. He is a big negative on defense not to mention all the attitude questions. He might slightly improve our team on offense but kills 2021 flexibility same way as Harris. Plus he might be more expensive to get. I don't get the logic in this direct comparison Hield-Harris.

Hield's extension starts next season at roughly $24 million and DECLINES for the next three, ending with him paid less than THJ made this season. He can handle the ball, is an elite shooter, and I believe he'd improve here.

Tobias Funke's deal will have him paid for the exact same length of time, only next year's total is $33 million, and the last year, when Hield is set to cost $18 million, Tobias will cost $40 million. He can't handle the ball, really, and will be very close to the exact same player here he was in Philly or LA. We know what he looks like on a good team, and it's a fit here, but very underwhelming.

Also following some of that logic with Harris... We've seen THJ on a bad team and on a good team here. 
We've only seen Buddy on a bad team. And he's better than THJ on a bad team. If good teams make good players even better, Hield would likely be a steal. 

Also the bad attitude narrative is a really bad one. You'll find nothing but positive stuff from everyone around him at OU. He's frustrated in Sacramento like countless players over the years. The Kings are the Browns of the NBA lol.

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(11-05-2020, 09:46 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TomMoorePhilly/statu...3220618240

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Doh! I always forget base year compensation rules. I miss Dlord giving us the reminders!

1. Jrue...best fit next to Luka

2. Hayward...would improve our clutch performance and give us a good 3rd player...

3. Hield...if it doesn't work it is not as crippling on our future CAP and less to move plus it's the Kings who have made a ton of stupid decisions...

98. Harris...Harrison Barnes level bad contract while dealing with Morey...if it doesn't work pray for a miracle to happen before Luka's next contract...

99. Gobert...only reason is if you are certain flipping him or KP for a Star...too much money tied up for Centers and both can't close or probably exist together on court...and I am not trading KP for him either...

So.... everyone's out on Aaron Gordon? At one point, he was one of my favorite Mav targets.

(11-05-2020, 11:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]So.... everyone's out on Aaron Gordon? At one point, he was one of my favorite Mav targets.

I forgot about him...rather get him than Harris or Gobert for sure...

(11-05-2020, 11:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]everyone's out on Aaron Gordon?

I am in on Gordon still and love the potential fit. 

And now might be the exact time if ORL will sell. Lowe reported today that the leaguewide interest in Gordon is "murky" and there were other reports that interest in him has soured. He would be a buy low candidate while others go frantic over other names.

(11-05-2020, 11:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]So.... everyone's out on Aaron Gordon? At one point, he was one of my favorite Mav targets.

It really depends on the price for me. But I'm very very interested in him still. If you aren't going to trade for or sign Griffin next summer, AG is my #1 PF target. Move DFS back to SF. I'm also not opposed to keeping him at the 4 and getting a legit 3. 

I wonder if their is a deal where Mavs can trade for AG and 15 with 18 going to Orlando. Obviously including something else but wonder if that could happen in a deal.

(11-05-2020, 11:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]So.... everyone's out on Aaron Gordon? At one point, he was one of my favorite Mav targets.

We have seen him in Orlando and he wasn´t anything special but based on his athleticism and measurements there is hope that he could be better in a different system. All about upside and potential but that´s a big gamble because Gordon has been in the league for more than 5 years and basically did not improve at all.

(11-05-2020, 11:23 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2020, 11:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]So.... everyone's out on Aaron Gordon? At one point, he was one of my favorite Mav targets.

It really depends on the price for me. But I'm very very interested in him still. If you aren't going to trade for or sign Griffin next summer, AG is my #1 PF target. Move DFS back to SF. I'm also not opposed to keeping him at the 4 and getting a legit 3. 

I wonder if their is a deal where Mavs can trade for AG and 15 with 18 going to Orlando. Obviously including something else but wonder if that could happen in a deal.

Would you do Kleber, Wright, 18 and 31 for Gordon, 15 and 45?  Mavs would actually save money in 21/22.

Let's have Cubes sell his soul (again) and get Booker.

(11-05-2020, 11:47 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Let's have Cubes sell his soul (again) and get Booker.

If it's possible, sure. I have a tough time envisioning that one, but he certainly qualifies as a difference maker.

(11-05-2020, 11:45 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2020, 11:23 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2020, 11:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]So.... everyone's out on Aaron Gordon? At one point, he was one of my favorite Mav targets.

It really depends on the price for me. But I'm very very interested in him still. If you aren't going to trade for or sign Griffin next summer, AG is my #1 PF target. Move DFS back to SF. I'm also not opposed to keeping him at the 4 and getting a legit 3.

I wonder if their is a deal where Mavs can trade for AG and 15 with 18 going to Orlando. Obviously including something else but wonder if that could happen in a deal.

Would you do Kleber, Wright, 18 and 31 for Gordon, 15 and 45? Mavs would actually save money in 21/22.

I would, if we have no shot at Jrue.