Talking only about dumping Wright for expirings to prepare for plan '21 max money, these are the guys I'd be targeting (there would be a bunch of other guys that aren't expirings like Gordon/Covington):
18/31/Wright/filler (if needed): Markkanen (CHI), Oladipo (IND), Redick + Hart (NOP).
18/Wright/filler (if needed): Richardson (PHI), Schroder (OKC), Porter (CHI), White (SAS).
31/Wright/filler (if needed): AIR (atmosphere), Bjelica (SAC), McDermott (IND), Ariza (POR), Gay (SAS), Green (LAL), Johnson (MIN).
Unless he's cracking the starting lineup or closing games, #18 is out of the equation. If we're getting salary back for Wright/31, he better make the rotation (since he could possibly be traded for air. Air > guy that doesn't deserve minutes).
I know it would make this board nuts but would Mavs consider Danny Green + 28 for Wright/Jackson/18? Lakers will be shopping D Green pretty hard and I think the Mavs would still like him in the right deal. The Lakers would probably trade out of 18 in another move (such as one that includes Kuzma). Wright would probably be a useful player for them, Jackson would be filler.
Mavs would rather have the cheaper contract at 28 or maybe even trade down again.
(10-26-2020, 11:48 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I know it would make this board nuts but would Mavs consider Danny Green + 28 for Wright/Jackson/18? Lakers will be shopping D Green pretty hard and I think the Mavs would still like him in the right deal. The Lakers would probably trade out of 18 in another move (such as one that includes Kuzma). Wright would probably be a useful player for them, Jackson would be filler.
Mavs would rather have the cheaper contract at 28 or maybe even trade down again.
Why would they pay 18?
Green<>Wright seems reasonable after their recent perfomances.
If we have to add picks I'm out.
(10-26-2020, 12:06 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2020, 11:48 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I know it would make this board nuts but would Mavs consider Danny Green + 28 for Wright/Jackson/18? Lakers will be shopping D Green pretty hard and I think the Mavs would still like him in the right deal. The Lakers would probably trade out of 18 in another move (such as one that includes Kuzma). Wright would probably be a useful player for them, Jackson would be filler.
Mavs would rather have the cheaper contract at 28 or maybe even trade down again.
Why would they pay 18?
Green<>Wright seems reasonable after their recent perfomances.
If we have to add picks I'm out.
In this scenario it would be a trade-down from 18 to 28
Wright for Green doesn't quite work, but add Jackson and it's legal. I'd be fine with that deal as long as there are no draft picks going LA's way.
No thanks to Danny Green.
After reading Hollinger’s article on the NBA’s reopening plan (and listening to a podcast co-hosted by Hollinger). I wonder if we aren’t more likely to just keep it kind of simple (so Plan KISS). In the podcast John talks about Dallas “clearly” looking to cap room in 2021. That probably puts a cap on 2020 activity. In the reporting on the NBA’s plan, it feels like the league is just trying to get through 20/21 as best it can hoping for better days in 21/22. Teams may adopt the same mindset which would be another governor on activity.
I wonder if teams (this team) will be cautious about adding unknown quantities to the roster. Do we really need two rookies? BTW, if THJ has to go in order to have cap room and Curry stays, but is 30+ and gets injured fairly regularly, I tend to think 18 goes toward a guard. Between KP, THJ, Powell, Wright, Maxi, Luka, Curry, Jackson, DFS, Boban, WCS and Brunson we have 12. Lee?, Burke?, MKG? Two picks? MLE? We only have to have 14 and many teams will do that to hold down costs.
I see two things that might upset a KISS plan. One is the opportunity to pick up a player who deserves a multi-year/greater than MLE deal for the MLE for one year. It would be pretty hard to pass up Gallinari or Millsap for one year at $9mm as examples. The other is moving 2021 salary. Hollinger seemed to think moving Wright wouldn’t be that difficult. If so, that solves what I’ve thought to be one of the biggest needs in terms of roster adjustments in 2020. But, do you really want him on the roster if you’ve already determined you won’t play him. This is different than THJ playing for his next contract here or elsewhere. This Wright sitting for his next contract. Probably not good. This isn’t all that different than much of what has been proposed here. 31 to move Wright. A one year MLE and a pick added to what we have? I’m just saying some of my/our more outlandish multi-person deals feel even more unrealistic to me today.
I think that any plan involving 2021 capspace is a huge gamble as long as we don´t know how the coming month and the loss in revenue impacts the salary cap. Just don´t think that any team is willing to go all out on 2021 as long they don´t know about the salary cap numbers. Imagine the Mavs creating a max slot using the current predictions only to be told that next year the salary cap will prevent them from using it.
(10-26-2020, 04:52 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Do we really need two rookies?
YES. You have 50/50 shots to land an eventual ROTATION (or better) player on a rookie deal.
Not taking that shot is just asinine while giving some vet a deal to rot at the end of the bench. At least take a shot, it could lead to the difference between championship or loss down the line.
(10-26-2020, 04:52 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Hollinger seemed to think moving Wright wouldn’t be that difficult.
I have been preaching this and will continue to do so until I am proved wrong.
Wright should be very movable and IMO not even require another asset unless you are getting a much better player in return.
(10-26-2020, 06:33 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2020, 04:52 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Do we really need two rookies?
YES. You have 50/50 shots to land an eventual ROTATION (or better) player on a rookie deal.
Not taking that shot is just asinine while giving some vet a deal to rot at the end of the bench. At least take a shot, it could lead to the difference between championship or loss down the line.
(10-26-2020, 04:52 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Hollinger seemed to think moving Wright wouldn’t be that difficult.
I have been preaching this and will continue to do so until I am proved wrong.
Wright should be very movable and IMO not even require another asset unless you are getting a much better player in return.
Taking a shot doesn’t necessarily mean adding that player to the current roster. A one/two year stash would make some sense this year. If we clear space for 21, we will have more roster holes to fill then than now.
As to players making agreements, it makes great sense to me. They usually sign in early July and then have almost 3 months off. If FA opens on the 23rd and the season starts a month later that is a short window to take care of business.
(10-26-2020, 06:12 PM)swaggerbox Wrote: [ -> ]free agents already agreeing to deals?
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/10/26/rum...-to-deals/
so Atlanta or The Knicks are already agreeing to deals with free agents?
there aren’t many teams with guaranteed cap space over the MLE so pretty limited list to investigate if the NBA actually cared about the rules.
(10-26-2020, 06:38 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]A one/two year stash would make some sense this year.
Just know, I am not ranting at you on this draft stuff. Just ranting at the air.
I fully support the draft and stash on Bolmaro, Maledon, N'Doye, Rokas Jokubaitis, Arturs Kurucs, Yam Madar, or Georgios Kalaitzakis (the first four of those being my favorite options).
I just REALLY hope the Mavs use the assets of #18 and #31 wisely and not as if they are disposable.
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(10-26-2020, 04:52 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I see two things that might upset a KISS plan. One is the opportunity to pick up a player who deserves a multi-year/greater than MLE deal for the MLE for one year. It would be pretty hard to pass up Gallinari or Millsap for one year at $9mm as examples. The other is moving 2021 salary. Hollinger seemed to think moving Wright wouldn’t be that difficult. ... 31 to move Wright.
Let's say Dallas offers Wright+31 to OKC (a team known to be aggressively accumulating picks) for a S&T Gallinari. Dallas could pay Gallo up to $14mm (only 1 year guaranteed, but quite a bit more than the MLE) or up to $19mm if they also include Jackson. That would kill your two birds with one stone.
(10-26-2020, 08:59 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2020, 04:52 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I see two things that might upset a KISS plan. One is the opportunity to pick up a player who deserves a multi-year/greater than MLE deal for the MLE for one year. It would be pretty hard to pass up Gallinari or Millsap for one year at $9mm as examples. The other is moving 2021 salary. Hollinger seemed to think moving Wright wouldn’t be that difficult. ... 31 to move Wright.
Let's say Dallas offers Wright+31 to OKC (a team known to be aggressively accumulating picks) for a S&T Gallinari. Dallas could pay Gallo up to $14mm (only 1 year guaranteed, but quite a bit more than the MLE) or up to $19mm if they also include Jackson. That would kill your two birds with one stone.
Thats a simple, yet fantastic trade idea. Gallo solves a lot of issues this team had, especially when it comes to consistent 3rd option scoring.
He isn't perfect. I waver day-to-day on how I feel about him. Somedays I think he'd be the perfect off-ball wing, other days I think he's too injury prone and plays no defense. Either way, swapping Gallo for Wright and Jackson is such a value add it's hard to not like the idea.
Plus I'd be willing to give Gallo a 1+1 with a team option with a salary as high as 19m because at worst, he can be a great salary matcher for larger contracts, and still doesn't eat up '21 space.
the trade is not legal the Draft is before free agency and if I'm not mistaken (St) you have to sign it for 3 years
(10-26-2020, 08:59 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ] (10-26-2020, 04:52 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]I see two things that might upset a KISS plan. One is the opportunity to pick up a player who deserves a multi-year/greater than MLE deal for the MLE for one year. It would be pretty hard to pass up Gallinari or Millsap for one year at $9mm as examples. The other is moving 2021 salary. Hollinger seemed to think moving Wright wouldn’t be that difficult. ... 31 to move Wright.
Let's say Dallas offers Wright+31 to OKC (a team known to be aggressively accumulating picks) for a S&T Gallinari. Dallas could pay Gallo up to $14mm (only 1 year guaranteed, but quite a bit more than the MLE) or up to $19mm if they also include Jackson. That would kill your two birds with one stone.
As you know, the number has to be large enough for Gallo to be "controlled" for 3 years. While the team may want to only guarantee one year, the deal obligates the player for 3 potentially. I think $14-$19mm qualifies.
Mike L. is right about the timing issue. While I can see lots of things being agreed to well in advance of free agency opening, FA's are "free" to change their mind. So, unless Dallas was willing to keep the player(s) drafted on OKC's behalf, they are taking on some risk. What happens if you draft someone for OKC and Gallo changes his mind? Cue the video of Cuban frantically trying to find DeAndre Jordan's house in Houston.
Who knows what OKC will look like after all the wheeling and dealing, but as it stands now, they have a much greater need for Maxi than they do for a 4th PG. Supposedly we tried to acquire Gallo at the TDL. The deal would have been Lee plus one of Maxi/Curry/Wright to match $22mm in salary. Since OKC was in the middle of a playoff run a the time, I suspect they would have wanted a replacement for Gallo at PF. Also, does a team with 203 future first rounders really care about 18/31? It might be easier to do Maxi/Jackson for Gallo and forget the pick(s).
Gallo is one of those interesting cases. He can pick his team and start house-hunting now if he's willing to take the MLE for a year (and may have for all we know). But, if he waits out a more complex S&T, some options might evaporate. I'm almost always surprised by the numbers some players get. I wonder if over-pays will continue in this environment or if teams will reign it in a little given all the uncertainty. Gallo is enough of a difference maker (still) that I imagine some contender will try to put together a package for OKC. The Thunder really control this and no one really knows what they plan to do going forward.
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