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(01-17-2022, 11:51 AM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]Kleber/Turner/Powell


DFGM 4.4  / 6.7 / 4.9

DFGA 11.6 / 13.9 / 10.0

DFG% 38 % / 48.8% / 49.4

FG% 46 % / 49.2% / 49.2

DIFF% -8.0 % / -0.8 % / 0.2

Impressive. If Maxi starts and gets 28-30 min he should get All Defensive Team consideration. He's averaged 29 over the last 12 games and the Mavs are 9-3.

(01-17-2022, 12:25 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW, I believe that a S&T deal in the offseason is going to be difficult in Brunson's case because his new deal will trigger the base year compensation rules. On a more immediate note, that will likely increase his trade value before the deadline to any team who wants to acquire him but doesn't have huge projected cap space.

This is very helpful context. 

Can you elaborate a bit? I'm sure we have people reading who are curious.

Here's the relevant text from the Larry Coon CBA FAQ:

Quote:93. What is "Base Year Compensation?" How does it affect trades?

Base Year Compensation (BYC) is mostly an artifact of previous collective bargaining agreements. Its intent was to prevent teams from signing free agents to new contracts with salaries specifically intended to help facilitate trades. BYC was triggered when a team was over the cap and re-signed a player using the Larry Bird or Early Bird exception with a raise over 20%. Once triggered, BYC temporarily lowered the player's outgoing salary for salary-matching purposes (only), and therefore reduced or eliminated teams' ability to target salaries for trade purposes.

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The 2011 CBA mostly eliminated BYC -- in fact, the term "Base Year Compensation" was removed from the agreement entirely. The rules formerly known as BYC now apply under just one circumstance -- during sign-and-trade transactions (see question number 92). If a team re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction, the player's new salary is greater than the minimum, he receives a raise greater than 20%, and the team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing1, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. The team receiving the player always uses his new salary.

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For example, a player made $5 million last season, is a Larry Bird free agent, and re-signs with his previous team for $10 million. The team is a taxpayer, and therefore is over the cap following the signing. The signing is part of a sign-and-trade transaction for another team's $10 million player. Since the BYC conditions were satisfied the player's outgoing salary for the trade portion of this sign-and-trade transaction is $5 million. This trade therefore would not be allowed, even though the players' new salaries match, since a taxpaying team cannot trade a $5 million player for a $10 million player. The highest salary this team could acquire in a sign-and-trade arrangement is $6.35 million2.

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Once a sign-and-trade is complete, the player's actual salary is included in his new team's team salary.

Long story short, base year compensation adds additional trade matching rules that are extremely difficult to meet without adding lots of additional salary and/or getting a 3rd team involved. And since Dallas will be well over the cap this summer with Luka's extension kicking in, BYC rules will apply to Brunson's deal. So a S&T is still possible, but more difficult than a typical trade.

(01-17-2022, 10:17 AM).vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]Could see the Mavs send Brunson to Knicks for Kemba Walker and the first round pick they owe NY for Porzingis ...

I hate this idea.

If we take JB out of the mix and just propose KW to Dallas (using the TPE), I think the Mavs would expect a pick or two for the favor (such as, Mavs 2023 pick PLUS one more). KW's size, health, defense, and contract are all big negatives that would make him an awful fit here imo.

(01-17-2022, 12:25 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW, I believe that a S&T deal in the offseason is going to be difficult in Brunson's case because his new deal will trigger the base year compensation rules. On a more immediate note, that will likely increase his trade value before the deadline to any team who wants to acquire him but doesn't have huge projected cap space.

While your rules observation is astute, the Mavs TPE could probably make it easy to work around that obstacle if needed.

But you're right, teams who have a summer interest will likely opt to chase JB eagerly at the deadline. See NY. However, we have heard no whispers he's being shopped, so there's that.

(01-17-2022, 02:35 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]However, we have heard no whispers he's being shopped, so there's that.

That's one of the more interesting aspects to this season's deadline. Regardless of our individual opinions of the old MBT, we were all used to how they did business and many of us thought we had somewhat of a grasp over when to take rumors seriously, what they might be looking to accomplish and even what the absence of news might mean in some cases. 

Cuban is still here, of course, but I can't help but to be excited about finding out how this team will approach the deadline. Will they use the press more? It was speculated the other day that the Brunson tidbit about NY was actually a leaked nudge to some other team by the Mavericks. Very possible, imo.

(01-17-2022, 02:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]That's one of the more interesting aspects to this season's deadline. Regardless of our individual opinions of the old MBT, we were all used to how they did business and many of us thought we had somewhat of a grasp over when to take rumors seriously, what they might be looking to accomplish and even what the absence of news might mean in some cases. 

Cuban is still here, of course, but I can't help but to be excited about finding out how this team will approach the deadline. Will they use the press more? It was speculated the other day that the Brunson tidbit about NY was actually a leaked nudge to some other team by the Mavericks. Very possible, imo.

Great points.

It's always murky where trade whispers come from. Who wants others to hear? One team, the other team, an agent, or even a rival GM can be stirring the pot to suit an agenda. Or some blogger looking to grab an audience by making a guess and labeling it as something his undisclosed "source" (which might just be his bar buddy) is saying.

(01-17-2022, 11:52 AM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]If Turner is worth 2 FRP, so is Brunson.  Brunson plays a more important position.

Mavs are just going to have to pay Brunson and DFS unless they get really good offers.  I don't want to trade them for meh+.

Brunson for sure is worth 2 first round picks

According to Smoking Cuban, Brunson wants 80mil, 4 years contract. And Mavs can afford 55 mil. So there we are...

(01-17-2022, 07:15 PM)Borkhan Wrote: [ -> ]According to Smoking Cuban, Brunson wants 80mil, 4 years contract. And Mavs can afford 55 mil. So there we are...

Well, to be fair, the Mavs can pay him more than $80 million, if they want. We've speculated a lot about the tax and whether or not it makes sense to go into that range yet, but it's certainly not a foregone conclusion that they'll let Brunson go to avoid it. And, even if they do want to avoid it (for now, or from now on) there are probably ways of making it possible to give Brunson the money he deserves by clearing something else out.

(01-17-2022, 07:15 PM)Borkhan Wrote: [ -> ]According to Smoking Cuban, Brunson wants 80mil, 4 years contract. And Mavs can afford 55 mil. So there we are...

Thats not accurate.  The 55 number is the max they can extend him.  They can pay him anything when he is a free agent as they have his bird rights.  The only issue is that signing DFS and Brunson in free agency without any other moves will put them deep into the tax.  Cuban can choose to pay that if he likes, or they can make another move (like trading THJ for an expiring) to avoid the tax.

(01-17-2022, 07:15 PM)Borkhan Wrote: [ -> ]According to Smoking Cuban, Brunson wants 80mil, 4 years contract. And Mavs can afford 55 mil. So there we are...

The Smoking Cuban is a fan site. They're like what we'd be if we decided to set up a front page and have a few of us write articles. But they're actually quoting Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report on the 80 mil thing. Pincus cites no one, and I don't know enough about him to know if he has sources or just makes stuff up. 

Anyone have an opinion about Pincus?

Well, it is a rumour. The question I have is if 20 mil per year is a realistic price for Brunson and if Mavs can or will accept it? But, I have to quote F Gump from the post above: #It's always murky where trade whispers come from. Who wants others to hear? One team, the other team, an agent, or even a rival GM can be stirring the pot to suit an agenda. Or some blogger looking to grab an audience by making a guess and labeling it as something his undisclosed "source" (which might just be his bar buddy) is saying.#

I think he is following the Turner saga more for the Laker angle than the Mavs or Pacers.  Pincus

(01-17-2022, 07:32 PM)it should be noted fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]The Smoking Cuban is a fan site. They're like what we'd be if we decided to set up a front page and have a few of us write articles. But they're actually quoting Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report on the 80 mil thing. Pincus cites no one, and I don't know enough about him to know if he has sources or just makes stuff up. 

Anyone have an opinion about Pincus?

Pincus is reliable and careful. But we have what SC claims EP said, and it's better to go see what EP actually wrote.

"Brunson faces a similar market, but the guard is believed by many to be seeking near a four-year, $80 million contract. That is a large number, especially for a player that several competing executives think is too big of a target defensively in the playoffs."

I'm not sure who the "many" might be. But wouldn't he have mentioned they were GMs, execs, or insiders, if they were? Sounds like maybe it's from other media guys, spitballing opinions. Plus, no matter who it is, it's just their guess at the future - and a guess is still just a guess.

Maybe we should also notice his is a number "near" 80M. Just a rough guess from somewhere. Certainly not citing whispers of a specific ask from JB's camp. EP also sees that as a "large" number for him to seek, so there's that -- you don't always get what you ask.

In any event, to translate, a deal with a new team starting at 18M with max raises pays 77.4M, and the Mavs could pay 80.7M on a deal starting at 18M. That's his working guesstimate, it would seem.

(01-17-2022, 07:57 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure who the "many" might be.

Bad news from my sources, DFS is getting traded for sure.  See below:

(01-17-2022, 07:57 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we should also notice his is a number "near" 80M. Just a rough guess from somewhere. Certainly not citing whispers of a specific ask from JB's camp. EP also sees that as a "large" number for him to seek, so there's that -- you don't always get what you ask.

In any event, to translate, a deal with a new team starting at 18M with max raises pays 77.4M, and the Mavs could pay 80.7M on a deal starting at 18M. That's his working guesstimate, it would seem.

If I'm Jalen, I'll just consider that THJ just got a contract for 4yr/75m.  While the offensive skillset is a tad different, I'd know I'm better than Tim and that would be the starting point of my negotiations.  Seems like something really easy to infer.

Anyone want to read into KP not playing in crunch time against OKC? I know OKC isn't a great team and thus if you're going to experiment with lineups then a game like this would be the one to do it in. But it's still interesting to me he didn't play down the stretch. Could we be trying to evaluate what this team looks like without him?

(01-18-2022, 12:40 AM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone want to read into KP not playing in crunch time against OKC? I know OKC isn't a great team and thus if you're going to experiment with lineups then a game like this would be the one to do it in. But it's still interesting to me he didn't play down the stretch. Could we be trying to evaluate what this team looks like without him?

Was thinking the exact same thing. Guess they were going for quickness to guard the 3. Also was curious that Josh Green was in there essentially in KP’s place. The Josh Green decision was looking pretty bad there for a sec when he clanked both of his FT’s.