Grant would be good. The only 2 names I come up with when asked that question is Mann and Brooks, but I know there are more out there.
Before he was traded to the Celtics, Derrick White was a guy I wanted pretty badly. I’ve been thinking of guys that are a step below allstar quality. At this point, I’m wishing we had traded KP straight up for Wiggins if that trade was actually on the table. Would’ve really solved a lot of issues we’re having if he came in and fit well with our guys.
(05-21-2022, 11:34 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Before he was traded to the Celtics, Derrick White was a guy I wanted pretty badly. I’ve been thinking of guys that are a step below allstar quality. At this point, I’m wishing we had traded KP straight up for Wiggins if that trade was actually on the table. Would’ve really solved a lot of issues we’re having if he came in and fit well with our guys.
If only one of us would have suggested the mentioned trade two years ago...It wouldn´t change a thing. Needed a front office change to make the necessary adjustments.
Middleton could be that 2-way man...although I doubt he's available... I would sacrifice Jalen/Bullock/Pick to get it.. Brooks is too chaotic in my opinion
Another guy that intrigues me to buy bass would be Randle..he has a really good skill set for his size,if he was willing to play as a 2/3 option..he even seemed like a good defender to me when he was committed..he can rebounding, passing, switching defenses, catching lobs and creating his own offense... not sure if he's misused or has terrible IQ
(05-21-2022, 11:47 AM)Mikelorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]Another guy that intrigues me to buy bass would be Randle..he has a really good skill set for his size,if he was willing to play as a 2/3 option..he even seemed like a good defender to me when he was committed..he can rebounding, passing, switching defenses, catching lobs and creating his own offense... not sure if he's misused or has terrible IQ
Would have been kinda nice to throw the ball to Randle in the 3rd and tell him to f*** up Looney, but I have heard on this board that Powell is better, so if he couldn´t do it, what chance did Randle have. -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T1kW_rnQW0
LOL at 0.43 seconds in he stuffs Looney, immediately grabs an offenisve rebound on the other end and finishes, while Looney is still licking his wounds.
(05-21-2022, 11:51 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Would have been kinda nice to throw the ball to Randle in the 3rd and tell him to f*** up Looney, but I have heard on this board that Powell is better, so if he couldn´t do it, what chance did Randle have. -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T1kW_rnQW0
LOL at 0.43 seconds in he stuffs Looney, immediately grabs an offenisve rebound on the other end and finishes, while Looney is still licking his wounds.
Don't recall seeing anyone on this board suggesting Powell was better than Randle.
I have seen several posts seriously questioning Randle's fit. Generally due to the fact that he can't shoot, can't rim run and can't protect the rim. He would clog the paint for Luka without providing any gravity (spacing or vertical). His offensive involves dumping it off to him and letting him go ISO in the paint. He can do some playmaking from that position but also turns it over a lot. I have heard it suggested that he is struggling in New York as the number one option, but would be better off as a 2 or 3, but I don't really see his game as complementary to a number 1 like Luka.
He makes things difficult on the defensive side of the ball the same way Powell does. He does not protect the rim and is not a great perimeter defender, but its hard to find rim protectors who can space the floor so there is no anchor on the floor. At least he does rebound well.
(05-21-2022, 11:08 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming you don't mean Kawhi or Paul George, what kind of guy are you talking about for your target?
To suggest my own answer, a simple solution might be the long-touted THJ + our pick (and perhaps Green or Chriss if necessary) for Jerami Grant. Then, presuming a Brunson re-sign, you're starting your offseason with this roster:
Luka/Frank/Burke
Brunson/Din
Grant/Reggie/Brown
DFS/Powell
Big man tbd/Maxi/Boban
Not sure I want Grant. A big part of the reason this team has so much success is the chemistry, and I'm not sure he is a chemistry guy. I also think the idea of Grant is better than the actual results. I think he will cost more than you are suggesting anyways.
(05-21-2022, 11:41 AM)Mikelorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]Middleton could be that 2-way man...although I doubt he's available... I would sacrifice Jalen/Bullock/Pick to get it.. Brooks is too chaotic in my opinion
Middleton will not be available. He and Giannis are best buds. I think folks need a little patience. We don't have much in assets this coming offseason, but if we don't do anything stupid we will have access to all of our picks the fallowing offseason after Nicks make our 23 pick. That would be the time to make a big move if we need to.
(05-21-2022, 01:01 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Don't recall seeing anyone on this board suggesting Powell was better than Randle.
I have seen several posts seriously questioning Randle's fit. Generally due to the fact that he can't shoot, can't rim run and can't protect the rim. He would clog the paint for Luka without providing any gravity (spacing or vertical). His offensive involves dumping it off to him and letting him go ISO in the paint. He can do some playmaking from that position but also turns it over a lot. I have heard it suggested that he is struggling in New York as the number one option, but would be better off as a 2 or 3, but I don't really see his game as complementary to a number 1 like Luka.
He makes things difficult on the defensive side of the ball the same way Powell does. He does not protect the rim and is not a great perimeter defender, but its hard to find rim protectors who can space the floor so there is no anchor on the floor. At least he does rebound well.
Why can't he shoot? He has a 70+ game season shooting 41.1% on over 5 attempts/game from 3 which is better than any of our main 3&D guys have ever done in their entire career taking mostly spot up 3s only. You can fluke your way to a high percentage in 20-30 games, but 70+ on over 5 attempts/game while being the number 1 option? Their #1 need right now is a PG for a reason. Whatever happened where he was disgruntled couldn't have helped either.
One thing I'll give a ton of credit to this FO for is believing in Dinwiddie as a shooter once he's placed in this situation. Gives hope that they know how to project fit and probably watched some actual game footage. Dinwiddie shot 40% here and is still at 40% in the playoff run with high intensity when he's never done that before. He's had like 1 year where his wide open 3s were 40% on low volume. Randle is pretty much the only guy potentially available that brings playmaking to the big position. If the FO believes in him and gets him then I'll be on board for sure.
Just a thought, but if they can pull off Randle + TPMLE for Jalen Smith, maybe this team can have position flex to go big sometimes and actually bully the hell out of small teams. Pretty amazing a team with Luka on it is complete trash at rebounding. The current lineup is getting absolutely burned by quick guards (Poole, Curry, hell even Klay???) anyway. Really need Josh & Frank to step up next year cause those are the guys that should be defending them.
(05-21-2022, 02:10 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]Why can't he shoot? He has a 70+ game season shooting 41.1% on over 5 attempts/game from 3 which is better than any of our main 3&D guys have ever done in their entire career taking mostly spot up 3s only. You can fluke your way to a high percentage in 20-30 games, but 70+ on over 5 attempts/game while being the number 1 option?
If you can't fluke your way into a shooting percentage with over 5 attempts a game for 70+ games then why are we not looking at his most recent season where he shot under 31% (which is way worse than any of our 3&D guys)? Its not like its because he is number one option. Most of his shots were open or wide open and his catch and shoot numbers were just as bad. His career percentage is 33 and so is his average over the last 3 seasons. It really looks like that season was a fluke.
The biggest difference between Randle's last year and this year...is that last year he had a decent PG in Rose and this year, he was the main Balon handler...which he's not trained for.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/05/20/lav...ks-in-mix/
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/...LzuLMqAAAA
Quote:Stein: There is much more hope in circulation than antic pated that LaVne can be lured away from the Bulls... It had been quietly surmised in recent weeks about Lavine potentially chafing from all the praise DeMar DeRozan received this season
Can't agree with Stein on that one. If Lavine was jealous then he certainly hid it well. I just think the fit between Lavine and Demar has always been iffy at best, and I can see why the 26 year old wants to move on. The common thread among the team's mentioned is that none of them have a starting 2 guard. And to be honest only 3 of them have a real shot (sorry, not sorry, Lakers).
I like the 3 playmakers situation we've found ourselves in since landing Dinwiddie, but given his playoff inconsistency (mostly favoring poor play), I would love if there was some way to make LaVine that 3rd guy with Luka and Brunson.
I know it's been said a lot that we won't be able to resign Brunson and do any side and trades, but if there was a way to center some package of Dinwiddie/THJ for Lavine while keeping Brunson, that would be fantastic in my book. If there is some way of cap manipulations to get this done, hopefully this Andrew Barker cap guru that we hired last summer can help find it.
(05-21-2022, 02:42 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]If you can't fluke your way into a shooting percentage with over 5 attempts a game for 70+ games then why are we not looking at his most recent season where he shot under 31% (which is way worse than any of our 3&D guys)? Its not like its because he is number one option. Most of his shots were open or wide open and his catch and shoot numbers were just as bad. His career percentage is 33 and so is his average over the last 3 seasons. It really looks like that season was a fluke.
Don't really think career average is good to use here. He was bad at it coming into the league and focused on developing it every season. The Knicks years are weird. This is where it's up to the FO to see if the situation/type of shots he was taking were out of rhythm etc. Dinwiddie is a career 32% 3pt shooter, is his 40% here a fluke? He's due for his regression to the mean and the Mavs should sell on him asap then. Regression to the mean is a pretty lazy take to me though generally.
(05-21-2022, 05:06 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]Don't really think career average is good to use here. He was bad at it coming into the league and focused on developing it every season. The Knicks years are weird. This is where it's up to the FO to see if the situation/type of shots he was taking were out of rhythm etc. Dinwiddie is a career 32% 3pt shooter, is his 40% here a fluke? He's due for his regression to the mean and the Mavs should sell on him asap then. Regression to the mean is a pretty lazy take to me though generally.
So you are hyper focusing on a single year of sample (and not even most recent) and ignoring the rest but I have the lazy take?
Your right that career average is not a great measure, but the point was his last 3 year sample is not any different than his career, meaning that single year looks a lot more like an outlier than any real trend.
There is reason to believe Dinwiddie will shoot better with the Mavs than his career average because he will be playing with another playmaker instead of running the show and he is a lot better at catch and shoot 3s than off the dribble. But nobody thinks he is going to shoot 40% next season. I doubt any team is going to be knocking our door down for him based on a 23 game sample.
(05-21-2022, 10:12 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]So you are hyper focusing on a single year of sample (and not even most recent) and ignoring the rest but I have the lazy take?
Your right that career average is not a great measure, but the point was his last 3 year sample is not any different than his career, meaning that single year looks a lot more like an outlier than any real trend.
There is reason to believe Dinwiddie will shoot better with the Mavs than his career average because he will be playing with another playmaker instead of running the show and he is a lot better at catch and shoot 3s than off the dribble. But nobody thinks he is going to shoot 40% next season. I doubt any team is going to be knocking our door down for him based on a 23 game sample.
Nah I meant regression to the mean in general is a lazy take imo. It's used pretty often and when I see it used it just seems pretty lazy most of the time. Not saying you're wrong. Randle may be a bad fit for some of the other reasons, but I don't think shooting is one of em. I'd trust his shooting more than Turners.
How would Randle be as 2nd/3rd option behind Luka/JB being a screener/spacer like the current wings/bigs do now and playmaking after others initiate for him? It's a risk cause of his contract, but the FO was correct on Dinwiddie fitting in pretty well so I'd trust em to make the right move. They're in the WCF with no business really being there going against a team that has 8+ years of exp together with Kerr. Mavs had to ditch the traps on Curry real quick cause he just passed to Draymond and destroyed the defense. Is Draymond gonna be the same playmaker as the initiator on a different team? Also, he was more offball in NO with Jrue/AD, so maybe those are better games to scout.
edit - looked up some roll man stats. In NO:
PLAYER TEAM GP POSS FREQ PPP PTS FGM FGA FG% EFG% FT FREQ TOV FREQ SF FREQ AND ONE FREQ SCORE FREQ PERCENTILE
Julius Randle NOP 73 1.4 6.7% 1.34 1.8 0.7 1.1 64.2% 66.0% 18.8% 5.0% 17.8% 4.0% 66.3% 92.1
not bad at all, maybe he can do it just fine. More PPP than Powell that year even.
Randle's defense is spotty at best. His performance consistency raises questions too. Even if you knew he would be better elsewhere (which you can't know), his contract is too big for a one-way player who doesn't do the thing the Mavs need the most. I seriously doubt the Mavs would have any interest in paying that much to a one-dimensional guy, much less in giving what NY would want in a trade.
There are the obvious problems with getting Lavine in that he requires a S&T, but boy would he fit well with this team on offense. Basically a much, much better version of Dinwiddie.
I'm not behind closed doors...so I don't know how important signing a possible star is if they are willing and able to sign here..
But I'm out on procuring injured stars unless we just have to take what we can get and hope it works out.
Hurting the books and spending assets to obtain an injury risk while Luka is on the clock is irresponsible. Especially stars who count against the books a lot and require assets to obtain usually.
I don't know what's wrong with lavine or how long his contract is or how much he wants to get paid next...but I'm reluctant to get in on that deal
(05-21-2022, 03:34 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]And to be honest only 3 of them have a real shot (sorry, not sorry, Lakers).
I am not so sure about the Lakers part. LaVine is a Rich Paul guy. All Lakers need to do is to find a Westbrook into mostly cap space taker and they can pull off the SnT. Lets say roughly something like this:
Det: Westbrook, Lakers 2027 pick
LA: Olynik, LaVine
Chi: trade excemption, minor draft compensation