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(07-28-2021, 02:15 PM)haveitall Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is he is a floor general like Luka and needs the Ball (just like Lowry). 

Could we stop with this Lowry needs the ball stuff. Lowry usage rate last two seasons has been in low twenties, below twenty % in Kawhi season and at max 26 % in his career. He was always playing next to one or more ball dominant players in Toronto and had no problem with it - DeRozan, Kawhi, FVV, Siakam,.. Lowry knows how to play on and off ball and will do what is best to win.

(07-28-2021, 02:11 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]But you are acting as if FA is supermarket where you just pick a guy. How do you know any of the moves you would do are really even available? Do you think Mavs are that stupid that they had a sit down, point a finger to Lowry picture and said "bring him in"? I am sure they explored all possible and not possible alternatives. If Lowry is result, I am fine. I accept that every bigger move Mavs will want to do, will be "overpaid".

-I'm not acting like free agency is a super market.
-I know as much as you.  See: nothing.
-Are the Mavs stupid?  No, but recent history points towards them being wildly unsuccessful in the free agent market.  Nico is a rookie and is on his first few weeks on the job.  I'm not hopeful our fortunes are going to be turned around this quickly.
-It's not about being "overpaid".  It's about investing your resources into the future and opportunity cost.  
-You can't always take a step forward.  You can use your available resources in other ways to try and gain future assets.
-Team building is a marathon, not a sprint.

(07-28-2021, 02:19 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]Lowry at 3 for $90 mil has me eying Kemba as a buylow candidate 
I'm not convinced that Lowry will be better in 2 or 3 years

Holy crap....I thought I would never say this....but you might be right. 

At least 2 yrs/$72M gets you into the free agent class of 2023. 3 years/$90M just puts you on a noose.

(07-28-2021, 02:21 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Holy crap....I thought I would never say this....but you might be right. 

At least 2 yrs/$72M gets you into the free agent class of 2023. 3 years/$90M just puts you on a noose.

(07-28-2021, 01:25 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]That´s how the Cavs lost LeBron. Went all in to early and ended up with a mediocre roster that wasn´t good enough to win it all. Ended up with terrible contracts (paying luxury tax) and no remaining assets.
There is no surefire way to guarantee that Luka stays. Going all in right now and coming up short is risky. Same for a slower approach that might frustrate Luka because he is wasting prime seasons.

Doing nothing is not just risky, it is a zero output and self-fulfilling outcome. Lowry is not even the biggest risk that the Mavs would be managing, that ginormous risk is Kristaps Porzingis and his 5-year guaranteed max contract that additionally cost 2 future 1sts. Lowry is only seen as a big risk because the supposed number 2 guy is an injury-prone, jealous, pouting, 7’ 3” baby.

If I am a new GM looking to make an impression with Lowry as a target, my final result would be Lowry and DeRozan.

Okay here we go. One last fantasy pipe dream before the harsh reality crushes all my hopes and dreams. Combining all the recent trade rumors.

Preparations:

#58 (Knicks) + lift protections on 23 1st --> 2024 2nd + 2025 2nd

Culver + top 20 protected 2023 Wolves 1st -->  DFS (or Kleber, whoever they prefer) + 2022 2nd

Big move:

SGA --> KP + 2022 1st + 2024 1st + 2026 1st (+ one out of Green/Terry if they are interested)

Free agency:

Lonzo Ball 4/110 (26m starting)
THJ 4/67 (15m starting)
Olynyk 3/30
Theis 3/30

Tucker rMLE

(07-28-2021, 04:02 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Okay here we go. One last fantasy pipe dream before the harsh reality crushes all my hopes and dreams. Combining all the recent trade rumors.

Preparations:

#58 (Knicks) + lift protections on 23 1st --> 2024 2nd + 2025 2nd

Culver + top 20 protected Wolves 1st -->  DFS (or Kleber, whoever they prefer) + 2022 2nd

Big move:

SGA --> KP + 2022 1st + 2024 1st + 2026 1st (+ one out of Green/Terry if they are interested)

Free agency:

Lonzo Ball 4/110 (26m starting)
THJ 4/67 (15m starting)
Olynyk 3/30
Theis 3/30

Tucker rMLE

That Knicks trade doesn't free us up to trade our 2022 first. We could, however, trade the Wolves' pick...

(07-28-2021, 04:02 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Okay here we go. One last fantasy pipe dream before the harsh reality crushes all my hopes and dreams. Combining all the recent trade rumors.

Preparations:

#58 (Knicks) + lift protections on 23 1st --> 2024 2nd + 2025 2nd

Culver + top 20 protected Wolves 1st -->  DFS (or Kleber, whoever they prefer) + 2022 2nd

Big move:

SGA --> KP + 2022 1st + 2024 1st + 2026 1st (+ one out of Green/Terry if they are interested)

Free agency:

Lonzo Ball 4/110 (26m starting)
THJ 4/67 (15m starting)
Olynyk 3/30
Theis 3/30

Tucker rMLE

I'm missing something.  How does the Minnesota piece fit in?  Just a tangent, or is something going to NY?

Are you saying NY is being paid two seconds FOR our 2023 pick back?  Or, are you saying that NY is just lifting the protections?  The latter doesn't give us the ability to trade 22 or 24.  We have to actually have a pick in 23.  Otherwise, I'm all good with SGA for KP and a bunch more picks to OKC.

(07-28-2021, 04:25 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I'm missing something.  How does the Minnesota piece fit in?  Just a tangent, or is something going to NY?

Are you saying NY is being paid two seconds FOR our 2023 pick back?  Or, are you saying that NY is just lifting the protections?  The latter doesn't give us the ability to trade 22 or 24.  We have to actually have a pick in 23.  Otherwise, I'm all good with SGA for KP and a bunch more picks to OKC.

Mavs get 58 this year. Knicks get the Mavs 2024 + 2025 2nds and lift the restrictions on the 2023 Mavs pick.

Wolves trade is a separate deal to get a 2023 first. Forgot to mention that the Wolves pick is their 2023 top 20 protected.

(07-28-2021, 04:26 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs get 58 this year. Knicks get the Mavs 2024 + 2025 2nds and lift the restrictions on the 2023 Mavs pick.

Wolves trade is a seperate deal to get a 2023 first. Forgot to mention that the Wolves pick is their 2023 top 20 protected.

Thanks, that helps me.  But, I don't think that works.  Yes, our pick to NY transfers with the protection lifted.  But, we still can't trade 22 or 24 because Minnesota's top 20 protection means we might not have a pick in 23 (if I'm getting you).  We have to either have our pick or we have to have a non-conditional pick from someone else.  If there is any chance we might not have a pick, we can't send the pick before it or after it.

(07-28-2021, 04:26 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Wolves trade is a separate deal to get a 2023 first. Forgot to mention that the Wolves pick is their 2023 top 20 protected.

This is not enough to trade 2022 and 2024. It has to be unprotected. If OKC would be willing to trade SGA, I am sure the simplest way would be for them to send us their worst 2023 pick which simultaneously allows us to trade 2022 and 2024. 

I am intrigued by thiese low salary rookie guys like Sexton (of course SGA too, but I don't believe he is available), because it would keep most of our cap space. Perhaps even increase it.

(07-28-2021, 04:36 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]SGA too, but I don't believe he is available)

I only included the listed guys because they were mentioned in trade rumors in the last few days.
According to the latest rumors Culver is available for a 2nd. Thunder tried to move up in the draft and offered SGA + #6 for #1.
Mavs really need to get out of the pick depth to free up assets for a trade. Situation will already be better after tommorrows draft but it´s still not enough to offer a Jrue like package. Compensations like pick swaps aren´t doing anything when the other side knows that the Mavs will have Luka for at least one more contract.

Here is a semi realistic three way to land Lowry and THJ. Cleveland reportedly wants to get out of long term salary making Nance and/or Osman available.

Cle: JRich (11,6)
Tor: Powell (11), Green (2,9), WCS (4,2)
Dal: Lowry (28), Osman (8)

We get a useful bench wing, operate over the cap and keep THJ. It also works by replacing Green and WCS with Maxi. Or send WCS to fourth team. Throw second rounders in if needed. Would be better if Toronto took Burke instead of WCS, but that would be really pushing it.

Luka, Brunson
Lowry, THJ
DFS, Osman
Maxi, vet min
KP, MLE, BaE

(07-28-2021, 02:21 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Holy crap....I thought I would never say this....but you might be right. 

At least 2 yrs/$72M gets you into the free agent class of 2023. 3 years/$90M just puts you on a noose.

Sweet, sweet powder.

Give me Lowry.

(07-28-2021, 01:25 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]That´s how the Cavs lost LeBron. Went all in to early and ended up with a mediocre roster that wasn´t good enough to win it all. Ended up with terrible contracts (paying luxury tax) and no remaining assets.
There is no surefire way to guarantee that Luka stays. Going all in right now and coming up short is risky. Same for a slower approach that might frustrate Luka because he is wasting prime seasons.

Also how the Pelicans lost AD to an extent. 

This is my biggest fear. We get in the mentality of we got to do something and we make disastrous moves.

(07-28-2021, 02:05 PM)haveitall Wrote: [ -> ]Thats because his usage rate was sky high.  He does not need to score 30 ppg.  He needs to pass it to teammates who can score, or roll to the basket.  The only player who did that last season was Hardaway.   The reason was that Dallas ran only 2 plays, drive and layup, or drive and kickout to shooters.  They didnt run pick and roll, they didnt run any post ups.  They barely cut to the basket. A smallish point guard won't get any of this done.

I think perhaps the Mavs want to haveitall. 

They want Luka to be able to be the guy who scores 30 ppg because he's that good and he won't be able to be stopped when he's got help.
But they also want him to be able to pick apart the defenses and be a lethal paged not be forced to have to score 30 every game. 

Basically teams have to pick their poison and Luka dominates you the other way. Every night.

So one thing I'm having a hard time comprehending is the Mavs being mentioned as being interested in every decent free agent. Before free agency even starts. 

That's not the typical thing we see from the Mavs front office before free agency. Mark is the guy who always wanted to keep what the Mavs were doing out of the news. That hasn't changed. 

Do we really think all these reporters have gotten legit sources from the Mavs new front office in just a few weeks? If it's the old sources, not hard to figure out who it is and have Cuban demand they stop. 

I'm beginning to think that most of everything we've heard the Mavs are interested in is complete and utter bs. It has sort of felt like that agents were using the Mavs as a team that was interested because they have cap space. Maybe the Mavs even okayed (seems unlikely with the short time frame that Nico has had to establish relationships and learn to play that game.) That also sort of explains why who the Mavs target changes on a day to day/week to week basis.

I'm beginning to think whatever the Mavs do will be completely out of left field that has had very little mention around here. Or at least in recent weeks.

Do we actually know how the new regime wants to play?

(07-28-2021, 08:19 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Do we actually know how the new regime wants to play?

No clue but we will probably learn a lot in the next few days. At least on defense. Cannot imagine that they will switch a lot if they add a small guard or another starting caliber big next to KP.