(07-25-2021, 11:16 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]$30M in cap space with 18 for Holmes and 12 for THJ sounds about right.
It would be higher cap space than that unless you think Mavs would sign Lowry for $32 million a year.
(07-25-2021, 11:10 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Holmes makes it worth it if Lowry is on a TWO year deal (want a shot at 2023 free agent class).
I desperately want to see Luka and Holmes work the pick and roll. Will be magic. Luka has another gear to unlock once he gets an elite roll man alongside him.
Getting Luka an elite roll man is such an underrated need that I think doesn't get talked about enough. Everyone wants a playmaker/secondary ball handler and I get it, but I think getting Luka a lob threat will go just as far to make things easier for Luka as anything. Having that vertical threat will open things up so much and make it so much easier for Luka to get to his spots.
KP almost exclusively popping instead of rolling this year really hurt our offense and made things a lot harder for Luka IMO. The Luka/KP PnR was deadly before this year. So if KP won't do it anymore, I really want to get someone that will.
(07-25-2021, 11:25 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]Getting Luka an elite roll man is such an underrated need that I think doesn't get talked about enough. Everyone wants a playmaker/secondary ball handler and I get it, but I think getting Luka a lob threat will go just as far to make things easier for Luka as anything. Having that vertical threat will open things up so much and make it so much easier for Luka to get to his spots.
This is my drum. I bang this drum. It is nice to have a partner beating the same drum.
IMO...
Elite roll man >> secondary creator
IMO an elite roll man helps Luka MORE than a secondary creator. A secondary creator is helpful when Luka is on the bench (which is important), but I first want to help Luka when he is playing.
(07-25-2021, 11:16 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]$30M in cap space with 18 for Holmes and 12 for THJ sounds about right.
Wish I could press the like button for this more!
Glad everyone loves the plan. Will relay to Nico!
Richaun is my number 1 free agent get from the start because of how much it would help Luka as well as the team overall.
With or without KP, Richaun would be able to:
1. Defend the paint
2. Rim roll/set good picks
3. Rebound decently for a big
4. Defend against physical bigs (or just be tough and strong enough to hold his ground)
5. Punish smaller players with a decent go-to-move
6. Can be thrown on the perimeter and not be a total liability.
7. Has a decent free throw rate
8. Is not injury prone.
9. Doesn't need the ball to have an impact on the floor.
10. Can play a fast paced game or a grind-it-out type of game.
I have my reservations about him in the PNR though, as he may not execute the PNR with dunks as much as DP, or Brendan or Tyson. But even if he doesn't go all the way to the rim, Richaun's floater is money.
If the Mavs can formulate a KP trade to Charlotte (a team who needs a center) for Rozier (decent playmaker) + PJ Washington + filler then they can re-sign their beloved THJ.
I like Holmes. Could KP and Holmes be an effective front court?
(07-25-2021, 11:58 PM)Mavs03 Wrote: [ -> ]I like Holmes. Could KP and Holmes be an effective front court?
I'll tell you they'd be much better than KP and Boban!
(07-25-2021, 11:29 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]This is my drum. I bang this drum. It is nice to have a partner beating the same drum.
IMO...
Elite roll man >> secondary creator
IMO an elite roll man helps Luka MORE than a secondary creator. A secondary creator is helpful when Luka is on the bench (which is important), but I first want to help Luka when he is playing.
Still not entirely sure what this is based on. The numbers show that Luka was just as effective (if not more so) with 5 out this year than he was with an elite roll man (Powell) the previous season.
What is truly important is having a strong mobile defensive presence in the middle. The reality is that most guys who fit that bill are not stretch 5s, so the alternative is that guy needs to be a high quality rim runner to create the space Luka needs to operate. I would be just as happy with Turner as I would with Holmes.
Now if you said interior defense >> secondary creator, I would probably agree. The problem is that bringing in Holmes on top of KP/Powell/Maxi is a huge misallocation of resources. Not only do I not really like the KP/Holmes fit, but spending over 70 mil on front court does not make a lot of sense. Get rid of KP (and ideally Powell) and Holmes makes a ton of sense.
(07-25-2021, 10:45 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]Shams has been exposing the latest framework over the last few days.
KP for Lowry.
Cap space consumed by Holmes and THJ (JRich miraculously opts out and “bye!” WCS).
I thought Nico had tight lips. Well, it is all about execution now.
If they really did a KP for Lowry S&T, they would have next to 40 mil in cap space. After Holmes the would have roughly 20 left. I would much rather get Ball or Norman Powell for that money. A Holmes/DFS/Luka/Powell/Lowry lineup would be a contender. And the bench would not be bad with Powell/Maxi/Green/room/Brunson.
@"VintagePejav2" that was evil. YOU are evil.
(07-26-2021, 01:29 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]What did he say?
He posted a tweet from Woj that listed several contending teams among the "many" interested in trading for Kristaps Porzingis...FROM 2019.
(07-25-2021, 11:29 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]This is my drum. I bang this drum. It is nice to have a partner beating the same drum.
IMO...
Elite roll man >> secondary creator
IMO an elite roll man helps Luka MORE than a secondary creator. A secondary creator is helpful when Luka is on the bench (which is important), but I first want to help Luka when he is playing.
What´s an elite rim-roller? The best rookie bigs can roll, jump, catch and dunk a basketball. Elite rim-roller is a minimum level/rookie job. The problem is finding somebody that is an elite defensive center (too).
Of the top 50 in FG% within five feet:
19 of 50 are 23 years or younger
28 of 50 are 25 years or younger
8 of 50 are 30 or older.
Finding a secondary creator is a lot more important, difficult and expensive.
(07-26-2021, 05:53 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]What´s an elite rim-roller?
Someone who not only has great PPP on plays rolling to the rim, but someone who
1) sets great screens,
2) changes the entire spacing of the floor with his "roll gravity,"
3) is not switchable against (you can't put a smaller player on him without getting punished), AND
4) knows how to make himself available when the ball handler is doubled on the screen.
(07-26-2021, 05:53 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]What´s an elite rim-roller?
Regular season stats for players with over 39 games played and with at least 2 attempts taken with the pick and roll play (no rookies have qualified).
RH tops in frequency at 35.5% followed by Theis at 33.1%
KP is at 13 with 18.6%, Collins is at 19 with 16.7%
Point per possession has RH running 3rd at 1.30, Gobert is tops with 1.34
JC is 6th with 1.22 and KP at 15 with 1.12
RH is third on FG percentage with 64.2%, first is Gobert at 71.4%
JC is 11th at 54%, KP at 17 with 48.5%
Score frequency has RH at 64.8%, good for third, while Gobert takes first place at 67.9%
Collins is 10th at 54.4% and KP is at 48%, good for 18th spot
FT frequency has RH running 8th with 14.8% while Gobert is tops with 26.6%
JC is 10th at 12.7% and KP is at 16th with 7.4%
And-One frequency has RH at 5th with 4.7% while once again Gobert is tops with 6.9%
Running behind RH is JC at 6th at 4.4%, while KP is 11th at 2.7%
Perecntile:
Gobert = 86.6
Adbayo at 84.9
RH at 83.6
That looks elite to me.
Now imagine how much Luka can elevate RH's game even further.
A little bit of math to bear in mind as we roster build the next 10 days or so. When people say that we have about $34.5mm in cap space if JRich opts out and we don't retain the TO on WCS, that is $34.5mm max for one player and includes three minimum slots to bring the roster up to 12 players. If someone signs for $20mm, it replaces one of those slots leaving $15.4mm. So, for two players, we actually have $35.4mm in room. Divided 3 ways, we actually have $36.3mm to spend.
It works the other way also. If Powell is traded for air, it doesn't add $11.08mm to space because you have to add another minimum slot. It creates more like $10.1mm and would take space to about $44.6mm without JRich and WCS.
Seems to me that absent something bigger with KP there are two paths:
1. Operate over the cap and keep THJ, S&T assets for someone else and retain the full MLE. Advantage: Leverages amount of returning contracts and the MLE.
2. Create space and sign whoever you want, but have the r-MLE instead of the full MLE. Advantage: Controlling your own destiny (no dependence on a third party agreeing to a S&T).
(07-26-2021, 07:52 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]A little bit of math to bear in mind as we roster build the next 10 days or so. When people say that we have about $34.5mm in cap space if JRich opts out and we don't retain the TO on WCS, that is $34.5mm max for one player and includes three minimum slots to bring the roster up to 12 players. If someone signs for $20mm, it replaces one of those slots leaving $15.4mm. So, for two players, we actually have $35.4mm in room. Divided 3 ways, we actually have $36.3mm to spend.
It works the other way also. If Powell is traded for air, it doesn't add $11.08mm to space because you have to add another minimum slot. It creates more like $10.1mm and would take space to about $44.6mm without JRich and WCS.
Seems to me that absent something bigger with KP there are two paths:
1. Operate over the cap and keep THJ, S&T assets for someone else and retain the full MLE. Advantage: Leverages amount of returning contracts and the MLE.
2. Create space and sign whoever you want, but have the r-MLE instead of the full MLE. Advantage: Controlling your own destiny (no dependence on a third party agreeing to a S&T).
So if there's no KP trade, we probably have about $20 million to sign another playmaker. We can bump that to about $21.5 million if we dump Burke somewhere. Is that enough for someone like Conley?