Also, DP is far from being a useless player as evidenced by his recent play. He is a serviceable rotation player, you can even argue that he is a borderline starter. He has improved as a defender and a contributor on offense. Not to mention, he has positive leadership value that the Hawks may want and need.
(01-27-2022, 09:09 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]We get drunk on the regular season and forget about the season that matters. Brunson and players like him get exposed in the playoffs. The lack of defense is a liability. His offense is put to a stop once the players start actually playing defense in the playoffs. Those gimmicky high BBIQ slashes to the hoop don’t exist
Trade now while the stock is high before we lose him for nothing
Maybe. But we only have his first ever playoff series to go by.
What's gimmicky about driving to the basket?
And did you actually just use "high bball IQ" as a negative?
I mean, you could be right. But we have seen vertically challenged players have success in the playoffs before.
(01-27-2022, 09:12 PM)RedFlag41 Wrote: [ -> ]It works as one three-team trade but it will be better as two trades.
Atlanta is essentially looking for a starter and a FRP for Collins. Powell is only a "near expiring" contract for them.
They are not looking for a "starter". They were looking for Derrick White. A high level starter who would be a very good fit with Trae and is on a value contract. Neither Powell or Maxi are in his class.
Also, not all firsts are alike. A first from SA is likely going to be worth more than a first from Dallas.
You are probably right, mvossman. Collins will probably be traded to San Antonio for Derrick White and a FRP. I will do that trade if I were them.
Anyone have ESPN Plus? Zach Lowe leads off his column speaking Mavs. I am not sure there is more than what is cut off for non + readers. Don't like reading about the Jalen flight risk is real though.
BTW, Lowe has been quiet the last two weeks on social media and podcasts. I read on Reddit on his most recent podcast he mentioned his Mom had a severe stroke.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_...tion-court
(01-28-2022, 09:19 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone have ESPN Plus? Zach Lowe leads off his column speaking Mavs. I am not sure there is more than what is cut off for non + readers. Don't like reading about the Jalen flight risk is real though.
Nothing else about Dallas after the free part. No mention of Dallas in the other Top 9.
(01-28-2022, 09:32 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing else about Dallas after the free part. No mention of Dallas in the other Top 9.
Thanks. The Jalen sentence at the end is a bit of a gut punch.
For me, I am still on board of signing both Jalen and DFS, finding out if KP is a #2 or the right # 2 for this team and being patient with that final trade piece in time.
Personally, I like Luka as your star, question still TBD about Porzingas as your #2, X player as your 2.5 or 3, Jalen as your 4, and DFS as your 5. Add solid depth pieces and I think that is the best route to build a contender.
Question, lets say Mavs keep Maxi and Powell, what do you think their next contract will be? Powell at 6-8? Maxi maybe similar to what he is making now? Obviously we still have a year and a half left, but I wonder what their next contracts will look like.
Thanks for sharing that article.
While the growing free agent thirst for Brunson is a little unsettling, it's also a nice change from years past. Dallas finally has a highly desirable free agent that other teams are overtly angling for.
Now we just have to make the most of our good fortune. Sign him as a core piece or trade him for another good player... there are several good options. Just don't let a valuable asset walk over money.
I´m convinced the Knicks will make a big play for Zion pretty soon. Between, Brunson, Reddish, Barrett, Toppin and Zion, I´m not sure where Julius Randle fits in their long-term plans. What they need for a Zion trade are additional 1st round picks, so I flat out ask for Randle in return for Brunson.
I would offer a deal build around Brunson + Powell + unprotected 1st round pick for Randle
(01-28-2022, 10:55 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]While the growing free agent thirst for Brunson is a little unsettling, it's also a nice change from years past. Dallas finally has a highly desirable free agent that other teams are overtly angling for.
Agreed. But the way Lowe framed it made it seem like Brunson has intentions of going elsewhere.
Defcon 1 scenario is we keep him past the deadline and Brunson flees to NYK and we get nothing in return. With no cap space and very little assets the Mavs are screwed. With that in mind, cashing in on Brunson now seems more and more like the correct move.
Trading him to NYK now at least guarantees our 23 pick back, and perhaps another guard (Quickly?). As the deadline approaches I'm starting to get stuck more and more on a Boston deal with Smart+Schroeder and trading Brunson to them. Let Boston deal with the Knicks in the summer while we get Smart who's locked up to a moderate deal for the next 5 years.
(01-28-2022, 11:18 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I would offer a deal build around Brunson + Powell + unprotected 1st round pick for Randle
Randle isn't worth a 1st AND our 2nd best asset on the team. Further where does Randle fit here? He's come back to reality after his hot shooting season. He dominates the ball. I do like his ability to pass and be a third ball handler, but if NYK wants Brunson I'd ask for Barrett not Randle.
(01-28-2022, 11:20 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]
Agreed. But the way Lowe framed it made it seem like Brunson has intentions of going elsewhere.
Defcon 1 scenario is we keep him past the deadline and Brunson flees to NYK and we get nothing in return. With no cap space and very little assets the Mavs are screwed. With that in mind, cashing in on Brunson now seems more and more like the correct move.
Trading him to NYK now at least guarantees our 23 pick back, and perhaps another guard (Quickly?). As the deadline approaches I'm starting to get stuck more and more on a Boston deal with Smart+Schroeder and trading Brunson to them. Let Boston deal with the Knicks in the summer while we get Smart who's locked up to a moderate deal for the next 5 years.
Randle isn't worth a 1st AND our 2nd best asset on the team. Further where does Randle fit here? He's come back to reality after his hot shooting season. He dominates the ball. I do like his ability to pass and be a third ball handler, but if NYK wants Brunson I'd ask for Barrett not Randle.
So then Brunson leaves for free. You think you can find a player of Randle´s quality in free agency for the MLE? Or just a 1st round pick.
They are not trading Barrett. I´d want him to, but it seems clear that the Knicks intention is to re-unite Reddish, Barrett and Zion. Brunson seems to be the designated PG. Between paying Brunson 20M plus max extensions for Barrett/Zion, plus whatever Reddish gets, I think Randle becomes very tradeable.
Plus we know Randle wants to play for Dallas. Worst case you bring him off the bench and let him murder 2nd units and run the whole offense through him.
Also want to take a wild guess how many percentage points separate the career 3pt FG% percentage of Randle and Porzingis. You´ll probably be surprised. Perception is everything in this league.
(01-28-2022, 11:33 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]So then Brunson leaves for free.
Or you just trade Brunson to Boston for Smart+Schroeder....?
I don't see why we ONLY have to trade Brunson to the Knicks. Randle I'm fine with the player. I'm not fine sending out an additional first+Brunson for him. That's ludicrous to me. If NYK wants Brunson so bad then the Mavs control negotiations not the Knicks.
(01-28-2022, 11:33 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]So then Brunson leaves for free. You think you can find a player of Randle´s quality in free agency for the MLE? Or just a 1st round pick.
They are not trading Barrett. I´d want him to, but it seems clear that the Knicks intention is to re-unite Reddish, Barrett and Zion. Brunson seems to be the designated PG. Between paying Brunson 20M plus max extensions for Barrett/Zion, plus whatever Reddish gets, I think Randle becomes very tradeable.
Plus we know Randle wants to play for Dallas. Worst case you bring him off the bench and let him murder 2nd units and run the whole offense through him.
Also want to take a wild guess how many percentage points separate the career 3pt FG% percentage of Randle and Porzingis. You´ll probably be surprised. Perception is everything in this league.
So you want to send Brunson + a first for a 20M rental that you are bringing off the bench? That is madness.
(01-28-2022, 11:20 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]
Agreed. But the way Lowe framed it made it seem like Brunson has intentions of going elsewhere.
Defcon 1 scenario is we keep him past the deadline and Brunson flees to NYK and we get nothing in return. With no cap space and very little assets the Mavs are screwed. With that in mind, cashing in on Brunson now seems more and more like the correct move.
Trading him to NYK now at least guarantees our 23 pick back, and perhaps another guard (Quickly?). As the deadline approaches I'm starting to get stuck more and more on a Boston deal with Smart+Schroeder and trading Brunson to them. Let Boston deal with the Knicks in the summer while we get Smart who's locked up to a moderate deal for the next 5 years.
I think these are the two most reasonable options, but not sure why you are including Schroeder in the Smart trade? I don't think the Mavs want anything to do with him. If the goal is a backup point, much rather have Dragic.
Quickly would be an upgrade over Burke (not a high bar).
(01-28-2022, 12:20 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I think these are the two most reasonable options, but not sure why you are including Schroeder in the Smart trade? I don't think the Mavs want anything to do with him. If the goal is a backup point, much rather have Dragic.
Quickly would be an upgrade over Burke (not a high bar).
Honestly the reasons why I'm including Schroeder are
1) Offense insurance. Smart is a lot of things. Being an efficient scorer isn't one of them. We're losing Brunson and his penetration in this deal. Smart doesn't necessarily replace that. Schroeder on the other hand CAN and DOES score. And score at a moderate efficiency as well. He's putting up 16ppg on the same amount of shots as Brunson. He can drive, spot up, and break down defenses. With that in mind Schroeder is a bird in the hand mindset. I'd obviously prefer Dragic. But he isn't technically available.
2) Uses the TPE. Mavs lose it at the end of this year. Schroeder's moderate salary is easy to digest.
3) We can still find a way to sign Dragic and more options are always better. A guard rotation of Luka/Smart/Schroeder/Dragic is playoff ready. 4 good ball handlers that each have unique strengths.
That's my thought process at least.
(01-28-2022, 11:20 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. But the way Lowe framed it made it seem like Brunson has intentions of going elsewhere.
All he said was "The Brunson flight risk is real, sources say." In my mind that's different than saying "Brunson has intentions of going elsewhere."
But I totally agree that it's imperative that Dallas navigate the situation smartly to not let a good asset go to waste.
(01-28-2022, 11:46 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see why we ONLY have to trade Brunson to the Knicks.
Most of us hated the idea of Tobias for THJ/Powell prior to Hardaway's injury. How about now? The reason I ask is this might get us in the middle of a Kings/Philly deal (anyone recall JB and Maxi vacationing together in Philly this summer?).
Lowe and Marks talked about Philly going hard after Harden this summer. They think the 76ers may need to get to a place of flexibility (access to cap room or movable players like Barnes...the probable motivation for wanting to move on from Tobias). The idea is Philly can trade for Harden or sign him outright this summer after dealing away the movable pieces. Expiring deals (Bagley and Tristan Thompson) and Maxi's NG deal would have value and moving Tobias is a must. And, all of this can't hurt the effort to win this season.
The Kings apparently want no part of Tobias in their pursuit of Simmons. Is Hardaway more palatable?
What I'm getting to is something with the core being Maxi/JB and THJ for Tobias and Davion Mitchell. You are basically getting your creation (and less D) in the Tobias for Maxi swap and less creation (but more D) in the JB for Davion Mitchel Swap (and you get rid of THJ). Sac. gets Simmons, but has to take on THJ instead of Tobias. Philly gets the Tiny Brunson cap hold, Barnes and some salaries that can go away in players like Bagley, Maxi and Thompson (one probably needs to go to a fourth team). Philly, to me, is the other team besides NY that probably doesn't have to worry about Brunson leaving once he gets there.
KP/Tobias/DFS/Luka and Mitchell (basically a Smart starter-kit)?
(01-27-2022, 06:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]This is the same calculus I was running when I first started mentioning JB ideas as a means to a bigger end.
Unfortunately, it takes more than just JB to salary match Collins and those elements matter to a team trying to make a playoff run. Surely Atlanta isn't taking Hardaway to add to Huerter and Bogdonovich at the same position. So, you are probably looking at Maxi/Bullock and a pick freed up by the trade with NY.
Now it is Collins for two starters (Maxi and JB) and your 7th man. Top four starters look great...KP/Collins/DFS/Luka. Who is #5? You still have Powell/Green/Frank/Sterling, but one of those guys gets promoted to starter and you need a PG from somewhere to run the second unit. I think Collins is a fairly substantial upgrade longer term. But I want to know what the rest of the deal looks like before pulling the trigger.
Question regarding our second two-way...If Sharife Cooper (2-way for Atlanta) is traded to Dallas as part of some deal, can he fill that open slot we have?
Good comments. Just replying to
bolded (by me), however.
Re the first, yes I'm well aware that sending out JB, and getting back Collins, would demand more outgoing salary from Dallas. But my working thesis was to examine the theory that the Mavs are only giving JB as value in that swap, and getting Collins, and NY must figure out how to get Collins to do that, either with or without whatever else the Mavs opt to include going to NY.
My point is that I'm real close to thinking that JB might be more beneficial to the Mavs than Collins. Obviously I'd hope to see Mavs keep JB and swap something else for Collins.
Re the latter, I don't know the rule. My guess is yes, it sounds legal - the deadline is to sign someone, not trade. But having said that, trading for a 2-way player seems like you're going all the way around the block to do something that should be easy, which is to identify and sign your own discovery of 2-way guys. BTW If you're thinking of this guy to replace JB in theory (if JB is traded), for this season I'd likely prefer Dragic or B Knight, I think.
(01-28-2022, 01:11 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Re the latter, I don't know the rule. My guess is yes, it sounds legal - the deadline is to sign someone, not trade. But having said that, trading for a 2-way player seems like you're going all the way around the block to do something that should be easy, which is to identify and sign your own discovery of 2-way guys. BTW If you're thinking of this guy to replace JB in theory (if JB is traded), for this season I'd likely prefer Dragic or B Knight, I think.
Thanks. Not thinking replacement. Just a possible explanation as to why we might be holding the slot open.
Yeah, makes sense, got it. But (assuming adding a 2-way guy in trade at the deadline is legal and is their plan), if they had filled the 2-way slot when they could, it wouldn't bar them from trading for a more promising 2-way guy later (they would just have to waive the one they signed, no biggie).
Frankly I don't think there is a GOOD excuse. They had an opening, and didn't have any idea how to use it. Sad situation. The Mavs development, G-L, 2-way department has always been done poorly, and still has miles to go to be the useful talent-readying tool it should be.