The DMN has a Q & A with Cuban and the below caught my attention. Typically hearing Cuban after all the failures is tough to take. Although, what he says below is pretty standard with most organizations. But from his words it appears the previous front office didn't do this or wasn't as organized doing this.
How do you feel about the Mavs being in the middle of the pack for Western Conference playoff contenders so far, but not looking like they’ve reached full potential yet?
Cuban: “It’s too early on the standings because other than Golden State and Phoenix, everybody else is kind of battling it out. A lot of things can change. We’ll get our guys back, but I really, really, really like the fact that each game is part of the development process, and between [new general manager] Nico Harrison and [new head coach] Jason Kidd, they’ve really set standards and goals for each of the players and put together a program that I think gets us there.”.”
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(11-24-2021, 06:16 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I really, really, really like the fact that each game is part of the development process, and between [new general manager] Nico Harrison and [new head coach] Jason Kidd, they’ve really set standards and goals for each of the players and put together a program that I think gets us there
Organization and a clear, cohesive, overarching plan? Count me in!
We're still about 18 million under the luxury tax. Honestly didn't realize we still had that much room.
Gonna be criminal if we fail to use that 10 mil TPE for someone useful. No excuse
(11-25-2021, 12:16 AM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]We're still about 18 million under the luxury tax. Honestly didn't realize we still had that much room.
Gonna be criminal if we fail to use that 10 mil TPE for someone useful. No excuse
TPEs create a lot of discussion, but their "value" is way overrated. They are a tool to facilitate a trade (bypass the matching rule) but in itself, that has no value.
In another era, TPE's helped because some teams would be desperate to give up "salary." But today's rules rarely leave teams desperate anymore. If they are giving a player away, it's the guy who can't help them. Mavs already have plenty like that.
What do you get for a TPE only today? You are looking at players so mediocre that the other team will just offer to give them away and hope you take them. The Mavs need much better than that.
(11-24-2021, 03:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Brunson, despite his faults (there actually aren't many, at this point) looks like he might be a primary guy. It's just that he's on a team with Luka. I'm not saying it's BAD to have him playing behind or with Luka, especially if you're the Mavs, but I do think he's much more valuable in trade than people realize. HE is the player who can move the needle in a trade, should the Mavs choose to try, imo, and the Spurs would be among the 5-6 teams most likely to claw their way to the front of the line in my estimation.
Very interested in your thoughts on this. Considering that his salary is so tiny (by NBA standards) and that the acquiring team would only be getting a rental, I had pretty much bought into the idea put forward by some of the pundits that the Mavs don't think he will fetch much of anything, so they might as well keep him for the rest of the season.
Of course, there could be a multi-player trade, where the Mavs would, in addition to giving up Brunson, presumably offload salary in exchange for a higher-salaried player that they think approaches Brunson's on-court (as opposed to contract) value. Maybe that's what you have in mind. That scenario has more moving parts, and is more complicated, but certainly there is precedent for such things. However, since the possibility still exists that the acquiring team will only have the benefit of his services for a few months, I wonder how many teams will want to part with their own valued player and maybe take on a guy(s) they didn't really want, on that basis.
Totally not saying you are wrong. I agree that Brunson has on-court value that substantially exceeds his contract. I had more or less accepted the idea that, due to the NBA rules on trades, it would be tough to turn him into anything of material value. Am I confused about the rules? Or are you saying that there might be complications, but it's not impossible, and it might be worth a try?
(11-25-2021, 08:38 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Very interested in your thoughts on this. Considering that his salary is so tiny (by NBA standards) and that the acquiring team would only be getting a rental, I had pretty much bought into the idea put forward by some of the pundits that the Mavs don't think he will fetch much of anything, so they might as well keep him for the rest of the season.
Of course, there could be a multi-player trade, where the Mavs would, in addition to giving up Brunson, presumably offload salary in exchange for a higher-salaried player that they think approaches Brunson's on-court (as opposed to contract) value. Maybe that's what you have in mind. That scenario has more moving parts, and is more complicated, but certainly there is precedent for such things. However, since the possibility still exists that the acquiring team will only have the benefit of his services for a few months, I wonder how many teams will want to part with their own valued player and maybe take on a guy(s) they didn't really want, on that basis.
Totally not saying you are wrong. I agree that Brunson has on-court value that substantially exceeds his contract. I had more or less accepted the idea that, due to the NBA rules on trades, it would be tough to turn him into anything of material value. Am I confused about the rules? Or are you saying that there might be complications, but it's not impossible, and it might be worth a try?
I don't get the rental assertion. What was asserted in the Brunson thread was that the Mavs would have full Bird rights on him this summer and be able to offer him the farm if they wanted. That's the case with trading him as well - whoever trades for him has the best shot of him suiting up for them next year as well. He ought to fetch a fair amount in trade if the Mavs go that route. Obviously, to get back a rotation player who isn't on a rookie (or rookie-sized) deal, you'd have to throw other players in with him.
(11-25-2021, 11:59 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get the rental assertion. What was asserted in the Brunson thread was that the Mavs would have full Bird rights on him this summer and be able to offer him the farm if they wanted. That's the case with trading him as well - whoever trades for him has the best shot of him suiting up for them next year as well. He ought to fetch a fair amount in trade if the Mavs go that route. Obviously, to get back a rotation player who isn't on a rookie (or rookie-sized) deal, you'd have to throw other players in with him.
There would be uncertainty for sure, but it’s not full on rental as well. The team just needs to knowcthey have a good shot at keeping him.
(11-25-2021, 06:58 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]TPEs create a lot of discussion, but their "value" is way overrated. They are a tool to facilitate a trade (bypass the matching rule) but in itself, that has no value.
In another era, TPE's helped because some teams would be desperate to give up "salary." But today's rules rarely leave teams desperate anymore. If they are giving a player away, it's the guy who can't help them. Mavs already have plenty like that.
What do you get for a TPE only today? You are looking at players so mediocre that the other team will just offer to give them away and hope you take them. The Mavs need much better than that.
Yep, that TPE is likely air. They should have operated under the cap, let JRich and WCS walk, reverse THJ schedule and get either Holmes or Theis plus MLE guy (they got Bullock, but I would have preferred Caruso if possible). I'm afraid at least part of this is Cuban not wanting to spend money.
(11-25-2021, 02:36 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm afraid at least part of this is Cuban not wanting to spend money.
We will find this in less then a year. Mavs will be deep in tax if they want to keep at least this level of talent and don't make moves at TDL. They have 137 mil of salaries committed next season unless they let Kleber walk and dump Powell (not fully guaranteed next season). Keeping the team means every dollar for new DFS and Brunson contract is basically tax.
This is an aspect that could dictate Mavs moves at TDL. Trading DFS and/or Brunson with a contract like Powell/Kleber/Bullock for a good player could allow Dallas to stay below tax next season while keeping similar level of talent. For example Brunson and Powell for Wood.
(11-25-2021, 11:59 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get the rental assertion. What was asserted in the Brunson thread was that the Mavs would have full Bird rights on him this summer and be able to offer him the farm if they wanted. That's the case with trading him as well - whoever trades for him has the best shot of him suiting up for them next year as well. He ought to fetch a fair amount in trade if the Mavs go that route. Obviously, to get back a rotation player who isn't on a rookie (or rookie-sized) deal, you'd have to throw other players in with him.
Yes, I believe that the Mavs could offer him anything up to the Max once his current contract expires. As far as trades during the season, acquiring teams cannot extend him if he doesn't want to be extended. They have to wait until the summer to try to re-sign him
The rental aspect pretty much assures that trades have to be limited to places Brunson wants to go -- otherwise, he just tells them he's saying sayonara in the summer. Also, a team acquiring him in trade maybe has the best shot at re-signing him in the summer, or maybe they don't, but even if they do, it's only a guess, and may depend on what they are willing to offer compared to other suitors. Teams may or may not want to give up a prized asset for a guy who might walk at the end of the season, when they could just sign him in the summer without giving up anything.
Not saying it's impossible, just that if they say they think keeping him the rest of the season is better than trading him for a few jelly beans, I can see and understand the reasoning behind that.
(11-25-2021, 03:27 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]We will find this in less then a year. Mavs will be deep in tax if they want to keep at least this level of talent and don't make moves at TDL. They have 137 mil of salaries committed next season unless they let Kleber walk and dump Powell (not fully guaranteed next season). Keeping the team means every dollar for new DFS and Brunson contract is basically tax.
This is an aspect that could dictate Mavs moves at TDL. Trading DFS and/or Brunson with a contract like Powell/Kleber/Bullock for a good player could allow Dallas to stay below tax next season while keeping similar level of talent. For example Brunson and Powell for Wood.
No offense but I would venture to say that Brunson is better than Wood and that is a lopsided trade, IMO.
Brunson is our 3rd best player and there are other players on the roster I would move before moving him.
Trading him could lead to another Seth Curry situation as Brunson is still improving as a player and has not reached his ceiling.
We should be trading people to keep Brunson, not trading Brunson to get people IMO. He is a championship piece.
(11-26-2021, 10:21 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]We should be trading people to keep Brunson
Let the Luka trades commence! We’ve found his replacement!!!
New Question for the board:
Why are you guys so emphatic on moving Brunson vs. moving THJ or other pieces to make room for Brunson's new salary?
Brunson is far more consistent than THJ and in terms of production value, Brunson is more deserving of that salary cap percentage.
(11-26-2021, 11:16 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]Why are you guys so emphatic on moving Brunson vs. moving THJ or other pieces to make room for Brunson's new salary?
Brunson is far more consistent than THJ and in terms of production value, Brunson is more deserving of that salary cap percentage.
I guess it comes down to preferences. Lets try to illustrate with two examples. I imagine equal examples of the two principles how to stay under the tax next season are:
- your case: dump Kleber and Powell to save for Brunson contract in the summer (alternatively trade Kleber and Powell for expiring contract at TDL or trade THJ for expiring contract at TDL)
- my case: trade Brunson and Powell for Wood, keep Kleber (please note this is just an example to illustrate possibility)
In your case we keep the secondary creator but we need a big wing and are very thin at center (WCS is also gone or vet min). The only capable big is KP.
In my case we really lack secondary creator, something that was a position of need as it was. Although we lose two centers (Powell and WCS) we have a really strong big rotation with Wood, KP and Maxi.
I guess none of the options is really great. Lets hope Cuban is willing to pay the tax
(11-26-2021, 11:16 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]New Question for the board:
Why are you guys so emphatic on moving Brunson vs. moving THJ or other pieces to make room for Brunson's new salary?
Brunson is far more consistent than THJ and in terms of production value, Brunson is more deserving of that salary cap percentage.
So you'll see all the trade JB posts and not read through them to see the reason they are saying (some don't have it, but many do)?
How can you ignore JB's last stated desire that he wants to run his own team? There has been nothing else said about it since then, so we cannot assume anything is different. Even if he gets a big contract and starting spot offer from here, that does not alleviate the fact that Luka runs this team.
IF we cannot reconcile that desire in HIS mind (not yours or what you think should be enough), what do you think happens? If he leaves without any bit of compensation (or a bit of compensation from a SnT) how would you react?
I'm fine with moving on from THJ too, heck, package KP, JB and THJ (DFS if there is any indication that he wants to get paid handsomely this offseason and/or move on from this team) all together and bring in some better fitting pieces (as a whole) that are closer to the mold Kidd wants for his team.
Isn't JB saying he wants his own team the best way to maximize his next purse? Scare the Mavs into offering him a deal he can't refuse?
And...can anyone tell me how the market works in the NBA? How do teams know that an agent isn't lying to them about other offers they need to beat?
(11-26-2021, 09:57 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs have been confident about a lot of things that haven’t happened.
Either way it is really good for Nico to posture in this position. Better to scare off and minimize the teams that prioritize JB with their capspace and to make it known how much the Mavs value JB.
#theNicotiator
(11-26-2021, 01:54 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]So you'll see all the trade JB posts and not read through them to see the reason they are saying (some don't have it, but many do)?
How can you ignore JB's last stated desire that he wants to run his own team? There has been nothing else said about it since then, so we cannot assume anything is different. Even if he gets a big contract and starting spot offer from here, that does not alleviate the fact that Luka runs this team.
IF we cannot reconcile that desire in HIS mind (not yours or what you think should be enough), what do you think happens? If he leaves without any bit of compensation (or a bit of compensation from a SnT) how would you react?
I'm fine with moving on from THJ too, heck, package KP, JB and THJ (DFS if there is any indication that he wants to get paid handsomely this offseason and/or move on from this team) all together and bring in some better fitting pieces (as a whole) that are closer to the mold Kidd wants for his team.
So the entire fear is based off the assumption JB wants to lead a team. I seriously doubt that and do not get that type of vibe from him.
If he wants to be a starter and I have to make the choice between THJ and Brunson, I pick Brunson any day of the week. He is the better player and if we are going off of consistency, Brunson is more deserving of being a starter right now anyway.
I guess my point is, why is the fanbase showing a commitment to THJ vs. Brunson because in my opinion if we are afraid of the money and role commitments then why should we pick THJ over Brunson if our choice comes down that.
Essentially, that is what most of you guys are doing. You are picking THJ as a starter and second starting guard over JB.