(10-11-2021, 09:51 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Question on two way guys--- They can still play games with the real team right? I believe there is a limit though. Can they be poached by another team? For instance, if OKC wants Eugene can they sign him or do the Mavs hold his rights? Do they get the ability to keep him and put him on the 15 man roster if this happens? I think with our roster keeping Eugene as a two way guy but also having him suit up some nights is a good fit. I just wonder if that leaves us exposed if a team really wanted him. Maybe I am making too much out of a preseason performance against mostly other G-league guys.
Two-way guys can play up to 50 NBA games and cannot be poached by other teams. They are great for depth and development.
(10-11-2021, 10:19 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Two-way guys can play up to 50 NBA games and cannot be poached by other teams. They are great for depth and development.
Thanks. So keeping on the two way is the best bet. He gets a lot of Gleague time but also gets called up and could get spot duty in case of injury or back to back games. Don't need to worry about losing him and can keep a more established player on the main roster.
(10-11-2021, 06:46 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]A couple of quotes from Hollinger preview I find interesting:
1. One final oddity that warrants mentioning is the Tyler Bey saga. Dallas used a high second-round pick on the forward in 2020 (36th) but only offered him a two-way and sent him on his way after the season. He’s the only player in the top 46 picks of that draft not on a 15-man roster this season.
2. Next year, Doncic’s supermax doesn’t change things as much as one might think. The rise in the cap and the declining money on Hardaway’s contract (a smart move) leave the Mavs with enough breathing room to use their full midlevel exception and their first-round pick and still remain below the tax line. (my comment - if you let DFS and Brunson walk)
1. Soon Dallas will be the only team from that draft that had 2 players picked in the top 46 that are no longer on a NBA roster.
2. At some point to get better as a team you need to upgrade the talent.
Ibaka for free? Yes please!
10000%. No chance the Clips do it though with an already thin roster.
(10-12-2021, 01:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Ibaka for free? Yes please!
10000%. No chance the Clips do it though with an already thin roster.
Serge is an awfully old and not real healthy dude. Depending on the length of time it takes him to get healthy, you also tie up your ability to trade Powell and/or Moses. Given the approach Kidd obviously wants to take, you can't subtract more than one of Powell, WCS, Moses, or Maxi without resorting to lots of minutes of Killer's favorite player.
In any event, I don't think that trade would be anywhere near legal, considering that TPE's can't be combined with players in trades.
(10-12-2021, 02:41 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Serge is an awfully old and not real healthy dude.
In any event, I don't think that trade would be anywhere near legal, considering that TPE's can't be combined with players in trades.
It is legal. We can’t combine another outgoing player with the TPE in order to make the trade legal, but we aren't doing that. Ibaka into our TPE is legal. LAC taking back less then they are sending out is also legal.
As to whether to do it or not, it all comes down to the playoffs for me. If the team thinks Ibaka would be healthy and better than WCS come the playoffs, do it.
A third big with a reliable catch-and-shoot game? Yes, please!
(10-13-2021, 02:15 PM)MangaAfterDark Wrote: [ -> ]That Burke release is coming down the pipeline
Problem with all this line of thinking is that he can't require it of the players because the players union stood hard against that and didn't sign an MOU allowing vaccination status to be something owners can require.
They can cut him but Cuban can't keep running his mouth and he could get on trouble if he gives indication that this was a reason that they cut him. Because if the CBA, he needs to just be quiet and cut him off he's going to cut him.
It's one thing for the government to require it, but it's another for the owners to do it with the stance the NBAPA took on it
(10-14-2021, 04:09 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]Problem with all this line of thinking is that he can't require it of the players because the players union stood hard against that and didn't sign an MOU allowing vaccination status to be something owners can require.
They can cut him but Cuban can't keep running his mouth and he could get on trouble if he gives indication that this was a reason that they cut him. Because if the CBA, he needs to just be quiet and cut him off he's going to cut him.
It's one thing for the government to require it, but it's another for the owners to do it with the stance the NBAPA took on it
As I pointed out before, the CBA (and the Player's Union decision not to agree to modify it) is only relevant if a team tries to get out of paying a player his guaranteed money. As long as Burke gets paid his guaranteed money, Dallas is within its rights under the CBA to waive him for basically any reason at all--including that he's not vaccinated. "We didn't like his attitude" is a perfectly valid reason under the CBA to waive a player and it doesn't matter if attitude is followed by 'towards practice, towards the coach, towards fans, or towards vaccination."
(Witness the Kyrie saga--Brooklyn's not waiving him because he's paid a hell of a lot more than Burke, and they don't want to see him on a rival team. But as long as they pay him his guaranteed money, they can tell him to go away and stay away, and there's nothing the NBAPA can do).
He was waived by the Knicks. Waived by the 76ers. Cannot be that difficult to make the case that he was cut because of basketball related reasons.
(10-14-2021, 04:44 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]He was waived by the Knicks. Waived by the 76ers. Cannot be that difficult to make the case that he was cut because of basketball related reasons.
It's probably easier to make that case than to make the case that he remains on the team because of basketball related reasons.
Terry should be the first move to get to the roster limit.
(10-13-2021, 02:15 PM)MangaAfterDark Wrote: [ -> ]That Burke release is coming down the pipeline
I'd prefer to waive Terry and mothball Burke
(10-15-2021, 08:27 AM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]I'd prefer to waive Terry and mothball Burke
Burke is what he is... which is not a lot. I like adding Frank to take his spot. Also, if you are going to mothball someone, Terry is the guy to do it to. He can be sent to the Legends, and he is the one with potential. Let him figure out his mental stuff (if that is even still the issue) and then maybe you still have something. You know you have nothing with Burke. Plus the vax situation. Unless the Mavs think Terry is a complete headcase, keep the young cheap guy with potential. my two pennies.
(10-15-2021, 09:15 AM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]Burke is what he is... which is not a lot. I like adding Frank to take his spot. Also, if you are going to mothball someone, Terry is the guy to do it to. He can be sent to the Legends, and he is the one with potential. Let him figure out his mental stuff (if that is even still the issue) and then maybe you still have something. You know you have nothing with Burke. Plus the vax situation. Unless the Mavs think Terry is a complete headcase, keep the young cheap guy with potential. my two pennies.
Honestly, I'd rather kick them both and then sign DSJ... I don't dislike Terry, but he's sat out a year with pay, and now he's not here again. You don't have to be unfeeling to just be honest and say that it's not right that he keeps taking up a roster spot. We can talk about his dreams and stuff, but every player is chasing his dream, and just because Terry is struggling, doens't make his dreams any more important than someone else's. The Mavs can help him get help, if that it, and then have someone else there that is availble in his spot.
Burke...he's a good dude, and I have no problems with his no vax stance at all...but he had one good run, the Mavs overreacted and I'd rather have Dennis come get buckets off the bench and think he would do a better job of it also.
(10-15-2021, 04:02 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, I'd rather kick them both and then sign DSJ... I don't dislike Terry, but he's sat out a year with pay, and now he's not here again. You don't have to be unfeeling to just be honest and say that it's not right that he keeps taking up a roster spot. We can talk about his dreams and stuff, but every player is chasing his dream, and just because Terry is struggling, doens't make his dreams any more important than someone else's. The Mavs can help him get help, if that it, and then have someone else there that is availble in his spot.
Burke...he's a good dude, and I have no problems with his no vax stance at all...but he had one good run, the Mavs overreacted and I'd rather have Dennis come get buckets off the bench and think he would do a better job of it also.
My stance has nothing to do with dreams... I ultimately want production. I think Terry can play - or has potential to be a player. If you have to wait a bit for him to get whatever issues he has on a rookie min contract to realize that potential from a 15th man, I am good with that. That said, we are not privy to any of that - and I imagine the Mavs are. If they cut him, they will view it as a lost cause. I already view Burke in that light. He hasn't given us anything that I would miss and would much rather take a flyer on pretty much most prospects over carrying his big bag of nothing. Just not high on his value beyond the fact that he has a contract that is higher than Terry's (or insert another name here). I think if fall into the camp that the last couple of bench seats should be prospects and not marginal vets. You don't need those guys to win a playoff series THIS year. But you want them to be filling spots in the future. That, imo is one of the greatest shortcomings of the MBT over the years... player development.
Energy after the last preseason game:
Luka/Brunson/Burke (shot creators)
THJ/Bullock/Brown (3&D)
DFS/Green/Ntilikina (Defense & Versatility)
KP/Maxi (floor-spacing bigs)
Powell/WCS/Boban/Moses (post bigs)
2-ways: Omoruyi/Hunt
I like him as a person and wish him the best, but I think Terry is gone. Jones is a tough cut for that last 2-way, but I think Hunt has the greater potential based on his size and freakish athleticism. If it was me I'd also cut Burke and put Omoruyi on the main roster, but EO will get more playing time using the g-league flexibility. And looking at the ballhandlers available, I think the safe bet is that they hold onto Burke until the trade deadline hoping that Dragic will eventually take his spot.