(12-10-2021, 03:12 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I know, that is their achiles heel. Somehow it doesn't seem there is anyone who wants to go to Dallas, unless they overpay. And since they are not really playing well, it is that more difficult to convince someone they are one piece away and that he is really going to an evironment where he will be in a winning position.
Every teams fans, except for the Heat, GSW and the Lakers, feel like that.
And even GSW and the Heat got only one contract of superstardom (don't care if KD sliced it for money reasons).
I like we can keep our players with overpay against massive overpays.
This team desperately needs to start Porzingis at center with four smaller guys, which means
Doncic
Brunson (or THJ)
Bullock
DFS
Porzingis
This will serve mulitple purposes for evaluating the team and trade/future strategies:
1. Can Brunson hang with starting units?
2. Can Bullock re-discover his shooting stroke under small ball?
3. Can Porzingis actually defend from center, when he has four active quicker players around him?
4. Can Doncic defend better, when he matches-up with the opposing SF/PF?
Cause the Mavs interior defense with fat-a** Doncic defending the opposing PG/SG/SF and soft-a** Powell and slow-a** Porzingis getting beat from pillar to post in every single game is a** and their +/- numbers reflect it.
It´s completely irresponsible that they continue with this Powell starting sh*tshow.
That´s where the head coach and the GM need to work together, too. This can´t just be a coaching decision, because it impacts everything, not just the actual games.
If the head coach thinks that´s his decsion ALONE, then he is 100% correct. And it´s the GM´s decision ALONE, who that head coach should be.
We have seen these dysfunctional units before, where a franchise is still trying to make it work, because the players are big STARS. I have never in my life seen a franchise self-sabotage for somebody, whose value is somehwere between the bi-annual exception and a CBA MVP award for the Guangdong Tigers.
There was a line-up last night with Doncic, DFS, Powell, Porzingis and (I believe) Green. It was so obvious that nobody besides Luka could put the ball on the floor and attack the defense. I think it ended with a substitution after a 10-0 Pacers run.
They need to go smaller. They need to go younger. They need to add defense. They need to add play-making. That means more of Brown, Omoruyi, Ntilikina and Green.
AND ultimately a trade.
(12-11-2021, 12:48 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think anyone expected an immediate improvement especially given Kidd's track record. Mavs were 42-30 last year and are currently 12-13 including losing 7 of the last 10. A bunch of those games were against middle of the road teams and a lot of them were against opponents who were missing a star player. The Mavs are dinged up too, granted but we really should have made hay in that stretch. We are almost to the 1/3rd mark of the season and I think we can make some fair assessments. Compared to last year, this team is disappointing and that's with KP seemingly turning his game around which should set off alarm bells.
How bad does everyone want a do-over on THJ? We just handed him 18m a year to come off the bench. He's shooting 32.4% from 3PT, which is his second worst shooting percentage since his first year in New York when his contract was wildly considered one of the biggest overpays in the league.
When do we start to think the poor shooting goes from a deviation from the norm to just being the norm?
When does the Jason Kidd feeling out period end and we start being really critical of the rotations? That goes well beyond Dwight Powell too.
And while we've dealt with some injuries, COVID hasn't swept through the team yet. Luka also looks like he needs some games off to get his wheels right.
The eye test should tell us this isn't a good team with how much they've struggled. We can all argue how close are far away they are from being a good team, but I don't think anyone would call this a good team. I have my preferences but I don't know the answers.
I don't think they should or will fire Kidd. And even if that came to fruition, who would you hire?
I understand the blow it up sentiment (I'm there already) and I can also see the value in stand pat or the tinker approaches. No matter the path forward, we should all be a little nervous considering Nico's inexperience.
Idk. 13% from 3.
That's on the shooters or the PG or both. I can't see that's on the coach, apart from having the wrong players on the floor (FN!!!!!!!).
You have to keep running it back - or trade Luka for Embiid and start all over (backtosquareone 
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(12-10-2021, 03:12 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I know, that is their achiles heel. Somehow it doesn't seem there is anyone who wants to go to Dallas, unless they overpay. And since they are not really playing well, it is that more difficult to convince someone they are one piece away and that he is really going to an evironment where he will be in a winning position.
Oh no, there are top players that would have loved to come here like Julius Randle and Myles Turner, because they were born and raised in the city of Dallas on a steady Dirk Nowitzki diet. It´s just that the Mavs preferred to sign guys like DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Powell instead.
(12-11-2021, 03:19 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]This team desperately needs to start Porzingis at center with four smaller guys, which means
Doncic
Brunson (or THJ)
Bullock
DFS
Porzingis
This will serve mulitple purposes for evaluating the team and trade/future strategies:
1. Can Brunson hang with starting units?
2. Can Bullock re-discover his shooting stroke under small ball?
3. Can Porzingis actually defend from center, when he has four active quicker players around him?
4. Can Doncic defend better, when he matches-up with the opposing SF/PF?
Cause the Mavs interior defense with fat-a** Doncic defending the opposing PG/SG/SF and soft-a** Powell and slow-a** Porzingis getting beat from pillar to post in every single game is a** and their +/- numbers reflect it.
It´s completely irresponsible that they continue with this Powell starting sh*tshow.
That´s where the head coach and the GM need to work together, too. This can´t just be a coaching decision, because it impacts everything, not just the actual games.
If the head coach thinks that´s his decsion ALONE, then he is 100% correct. And it´s the GM´s decision ALONE, who that head coach should be.
We have seen these dysfunctional units before, where a franchise is still trying to make it work, because the players are big STARS. I have never in my life seen a franchise self-sabotage for somebody, whose value is somehwere between the bi-annual exception and a CBA MVP award for the Guangdong Tigers.
There was a line-up last night with Doncic, DFS, Powell, Porzingis and (I believe) Green. It was so obvious that nobody besides Luka could put the ball on the floor and attack the defense. I think it ended with a substitution after a 10-0 Pacers run.
They need to go smaller. They need to go younger. They need to add defense. They need to add play-making. That means more of Brown, Omoruyi, Ntilikina and Green.
AND ultimately a trade.
I watched a lot of Moses in the second half of last year because I was a ride and die Poku-stan in that year's draft. (fwiw, I still think Poku has infinite upside .. but not a thing for the Mavs to worry about right now.) Anyway, OKC has/had an abundance of very, very interesting young players, including SGA, Dort, now Giddey and ... and ... and ... . I'm 100% sure Moses is a good NBA player - just please don't force-feed him meat pies to get his body weight up (au Mitch Robinson).
So, yeah, let's let Moses have game time.
But the thing that will "solve" (temporarily) many problems is putting Frank in the starting line up.
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Oh no, there are top players that would have loved to come here like Julius Randle and Myles Turner, because they were born and raised in the city of Dallas on a steady Dirk Nowitzki diet. It´s just that the Mavs preferred to sign guys like DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Powell instead.
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You have no idea how hard, right now, the Knicks fan boards would like to ship Jules for almost any return .. Brunson would be a dream.
Any way Mavs can seduce Orlando with KP?
Magic has Franz Wagner and Isaac.
About Franz: His rookie season so far is looking satisfactory. Some say better than expected. I wouldn't trade KP for Wagner if it's just a talent issue. KP is better until proven otherwise. But with KP, we know that health is a lingering issue. Question (at least for me) is, does Orlando think Franz is going to develop into a Hayward some day? Orlando can certainly wait and see.
What Mavs get: 6'9" playmaker, can score in his own, secondary ball handler who isn't a PG, can play-off ball, shoots the 3 ball, not totally inept in defense, can grow with Luka, will be the the 2nd best player on the Mavs even if he is a rookie. Gary Harris clears a portion of KP's salary.
Trade: KP for Franz and Moritz and the expiring Gary Harris (or expand the the trade and get Brunson in there somehow and add other players from the Magic as well)
About Isaac: Before the ACL injury we know he is being groomed as the main man for the Magic of years to come, or at least someone who can anchor their defense. But there is a risk with Isaac of course. It will be a long time until he regains his form back, and that means a lot of losses are in store for the Mavs. The other risk? he isn't exactly on the level of KP offensively or the level of Gobert defensively pre-injury, so even if he gets thru his injury and becomes healthy again, what are the chances he takes it to the next level?
What the Mavs get: At least a likely DPOY someday if he regains his health, ping-pong balls (since Mavs will be losing this year). Worst case scenario: Isaac is more of an injury risk than KP and never gets it together, only saving grace is wiping 20M form the KP salary. Best case: Isaac recovers quickly and then Luka and Isaac form a perfect combo of offense and Gianis-like defense in years to come.
Trade: KP for Isaac and Gary Harris (you'll never get Isaac if he is healthy, this is the chance to do it).
Magic won't change Wagner for KP or at least it won't .. especially Carter / Bamba .. Isaak is absolutely my dream for the Mavs..even been on the Magic forums to sniff out how they feel about him..and given the circumstances we might have a chance, but we would have to wait until the offseason..and probably send Brunson to Knicks to be the owners of all our Picks ..
Green / Powell (expiring) MBrown + 2 firsts for Isaak ..
Convert Bullock / THJ to Hield ..
Sign Harrell (MLE) + Dragic (minimum of veterans)
KP/Isaak/DFS/Hield/Luka
Harrell/Maxi/SBrown/Dragic
(12-11-2021, 08:41 AM)Mikelo Wrote: [ -> ]Magic won't change Wagner for KP or at least it won't .. especially Carter / Bamba .. Isaak is absolutely my dream for the Mavs..even been on the Magic forums to sniff out how they feel about him..and given the circumstances we might have a chance, but we would have to wait until the offseason..and probably send Brunson to Knicks to be the owners of all our Picks ..
Green / Powell (expiring) MBrown + 2 firsts for Isaak ..
Convert Bullock / THJ to Hield ..
Sign Harrell (MLE) + Dragic (minimum of veterans)
KP/Isaak/DFS/Hield/Luka
Harrell/Maxi/SBrown/Dragic
And despite Harris being coveted here once, he's a shell of his former self and he may never recover that. At 20 mill/per, i'm not even sure he's a better fish than Eric Gordon at this point.
I wish we could see a Luka/Ntilikina/Bullock/DFS/KP starting lineup. Frank can defend the point of attack and be the secondary playmaker. Bullock and DFS (theoretically) spread the floor. Brunson/THJ/Maxi/Powell is good firepower off the bench. Kidd needs to give up this two big BS. It's not working.
23 year old Hartenstein for the minimum: : 7/5/2/1/1 on 65/67/62 shooting splits in 15 MPG.
28 year old WCS for $4.1M: 2/1/1/0/0 on 46/50/50 shooting splits in 10 MPG.
If you don´t think you could be an NBA GM comparing yourself to the job the MBT do, you do not have a very high opinion of yourself.
Even this guy knows more about making good trade-offs:
MAVS OUT:
-KP
-THJ
-Brunson
-Bullock
-Kleber
KINGS OUT:
-Buddy
-Bagley
-Halliburton
PACERS OUT:
-Turner
-Warren
MAVS IN:
-Turner
-Warren
-Buddy
-Bagley
-Heild
KINGS IN:
-KP
-Bullock
PACERS IN:
-THJ
-Brunson
-Kleber
New lineup:
Luka / Frank / Burke
Halliburton / Heild
Warren / Green / Brown
Bagley / DFS / Powell
Turner / WCS / Moses / Boban
(12-11-2021, 10:38 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]MAVS OUT:
-KP
-THJ
-Brunson
-Bullock
-Kleber
KINGS OUT:
-Buddy
-Bagley
-Halliburton
PACERS OUT:
-Turner
-Warren
MAVS IN:
-Turner
-Warren
-Buddy
-Bagley
-Heild
KINGS IN:
-KP
-Bullock
PACERS IN:
-THJ
-Brunson
-Kleber
New lineup:
Luka / Frank / Burke
Halliburton / Heild
Warren / Green / Brown
Bagley / DFS / Powell
Turner / WCS / Moses / Boban
Swoon.
You guys and your infatuation with that bust Bagley is beyond me....thank God none of you guys are Nico Harrison. That is the ultimate backup QB sydrome.
Also, there isn't one player named "Buddy" and another player named "Hield".
(12-15-2021, 07:20 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]You guys and your infatuation with that bust Bagley is beyond me....thank God none of you guys are Nico Harrison. That is the ultimate backup QB sydrome.
Also, there isn't one player named "Buddy" and another player named "Hield".
If we ran out of options with the TPE, I'd kick the Bagley tire. But that's about it.
(12-15-2021, 07:20 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]You guys and your infatuation with that bust Bagley is beyond me....thank God none of you guys are Nico Harrison. That is the ultimate backup QB sydrome.
Also, there isn't one player named "Buddy" and another player named "Hield".
I am one of those people.
In order for the Mavs to get over the top they will have to take a flyer on a few of the guys that fit Bagley's profile. He is a skilled big that can play with his back to the basket and is a relentless rebounder. He will be our best post scoring big the day he steps in the gym.
How many guys like that do we have on the roster like that?
How many guys can we find like that who also happen to be 22 years old?
I am curious if you guys are finally on board with my trade THJ instead of Brunson bandwagon. I have been saying this for over 2 months now that you guys are trying to push the wrong guy out.
Kidd needs to start Brunson and bench Bullock.
(12-15-2021, 11:50 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]I have been saying this for over 2 months now that you guys are trying to push the wrong guy out.
And you still neglect that we are not pushing Brunson out. He is UFA and he might just walk.
(12-16-2021, 02:23 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]And you still neglect that we are not pushing Brunson out. He is UFA and he might just walk.
You match above his ask if you have to and you give him Tim's money.
He is also deserving of being a starter but I am willing to take the risk for a home grown guy.
What do you think happens to Burke when Luka is back? He has been good several times when he got chances. I actually thought him and Jalen would work last year. It didn't and they are both probably too small. I do like how Trey looks to push the pace. Personally, I would be in favor or starting Jalen and seeing if that work with Luka and have Burke have a trial run as a guard off the bench. Long term, I don't envision Burke in this role, but it could be a trial run if that kind of lineup works. Not sure who I like as the 5th starter though.