(02-16-2022, 01:12 PM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]Trading for an established player is also probably better in terms of trying to assemble a future trade package to land a star. It gives you salary matching ability and you don't have to worry about your draft pick's value dropping the moment he steps on the floor.
I'd love to see something like Powell + 1st for Holmes for example.
Holmes has been bad since December for the Kings and has no starting spot with Sabonis playing the 5 for Sacramento. Not giving up a 1st for him.
(02-16-2022, 07:55 PM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]Holmes has been bad since December for the Kings and has no starting spot with Sabonis playing the 5 for Sacramento. Not giving up a 1st for him.
I believe he was injured for a good chunk of December, so I'm not too concerned about that. Losing his starting spot to Sabonis is pretty much expected and is the main reason he's available.
Dallas would be a much better situation for him. I view him as a solid upgrade over Powell on a reasonable contract,
and I think he would be great in the PnR with Luka. That's worth an early 20's 1st to me, but perhaps I value the pick less than others. It'll be interesting to find out what his market is really like on draft night.
Chatter on the Wizards boards and Twitter is starting to blow smoke to hold KP out for the rest of the season.
SMH and people have the nerve to say they were against the trade.
(02-16-2022, 03:39 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]But fwiw I am skeptical he's going to be that interested, unless the NY money is overwhelming compared to elsewhere. They are bad.
Not only are the Knicks bad, but JB has also spent his career to date playing with several ex-Knicks who I'm sure have shared plenty of stories of their former franchise dysfunction. I also think all of the talk of his dad's connection to NY is severely overblown, as with all of the hype I was surprised to learn that he only played in 69 games for the Knicks. I guess "Brunson's dad played for 8 different teams" really takes the fun out of the narrative that the NY media is looking to generate.
Now it's certainly possible that Brunson gets a huge offer from another team that Dallas may think twice about matching. But right now I have a tough time believing that the Knicks are anywhere near the top of his list. Part of it is the issue of actual (not theoretical) cap space. And part of it is the reality that the Knicks just aren't a desirable destination anymore despite their history.
Sure feels good to be a mavs fan
Dinwiddie gives us a different look offensively. He can drive. Handle the rock. He’s a big guard so he adds size/length. This makes him a plus rebounder. I think he can even play defense, he has the tools……..we need all of what he brings
Bertans will be a perfect fit. He has one elite skill and this alone is able to impact the offense. The rest of his game is good enough. He gives us a rotation big that can hopefully be a volume 3pt shooter for us. No longer dependent on Hardaway being hot
Love the new everything. The small ball. The defense. The guys just look like they’re out there having fun. Really looking forward to making a run this year. Feels like prime Dirk where we had all the role players playing so hard for Dirk every night. The bench is back baby!
(02-16-2022, 09:05 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]Chatter on the Wizards boards and Twitter is starting to blow smoke to hold KP out for the rest of the season.
SMH and people have the nerve to say they were against the trade.
That is a tanking decision. Has nothing to do with how the trade played out for us.
(02-16-2022, 11:06 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]That is a tanking decision. Has nothing to do with how the trade played out for us.
Hypothetically you have acquired the star player to make your case to your other star player to sign the extension. Now you tank to maximize the draft asset to further strengthen your team (any way you want to use it). Sounds perfectly logical, happens all the time.
But I think that simply does not work with Porzingis, because of his injury history. They will have to play Porzingis some games. Basically it´s a balancing act between tanking and showing Beal that Porzingis is healthy and can actually contribute to winning. Porzingis won´t care this time, because he already got the 150M dollars.
(02-16-2022, 11:06 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]That is a tanking decision. Has nothing to do with how the trade played out for us.
Tanking or not, the idea that he might not play at all underscore how fragile he is/was. You can't have such players being key components to your success, if you can never know if/when they will be on the court for you in the weeks ahead.
(02-16-2022, 11:17 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Tanking or not, the idea that he might not play at all underscore how fragile he is/was. You can't have such players being key components to your success, if you can never know if/when they will be on the court for you in the weeks ahead.
There is still the fit question. Will KP work in WAS any better than he did in DAL? the Mavs felt he requires special feeding to be effective, which sub-optimized the offense. Does WAS have the will to do that as well?
They won't know until next season when Beal returns (if he signs there)...or doesn't.
(02-17-2022, 11:56 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]There is still the fit question. Will KP work in WAS any better than he did in DAL? the Mavs felt he requires special feeding to be effective, which sub-optimized the offense. Does WAS have the will to do that as well?
They won't know until next season when Beal returns (if he signs there)...or doesn't.
My prediction is that Porzingis plays a little bit down the stretch, and that he looks pretty good at times for the rest of the season. I do not think they will hold him out to tank, but they might, I suppose.
But, next year when he and Beal are both trying to get it done together, I think that will be similar to the disaster we saw here with Luka.
RE: My Desire for the Mavs to Chase John Collins This Summer in a Trade
I think if the Mavs are able to rehab DB's image heading into the summer (and his shooting gets back to his career 40% from three level), that DB could be a real piece involved in a John Collins trade with ATL. DB seems like a guy Travis Schlenk would be interested in.
(02-17-2022, 11:58 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]My prediction is that Porzingis plays a little bit down the stretch, and that he looks pretty good at times for the rest of the season. I do not think they will hold him out just a tech, but they might, I suppose.
But, next year when he and Beal are both trying to get it done together, I think that will be similar to the disaster we saw here with Luka.
So the question is whether this move actually enhances WAS ability to re-sign Beal or does he look at the DAL history and decide to take his talents elsewhere? Interesting situation to monitor this summer.
Question about Holmes.
As of right now a Hardaway for Holmes swap doesn't work financially by about a million bucks but with Hardaway's contract descending and Holmes' ascending I think it may work next year (just at first glance, haven't done the actual math on it).
My question is when does that kick in for trades? Will those numbers be official at the end of the season/by draft night?
I know a lot of folks don't want us to trade that pick and put more value in it but Holmes would be better than any center there in the draft and if we swapped Hardaway/20ish-th pick for Holmes we'd address our frontcourt depth and save some money in the process. Kings have some backcourt minutes to spare now and need some shooting with Hield gone....
(02-17-2022, 12:10 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]RE: My Desire for the Mavs to Chase John Collins This Summer in a Trade
I think if the Mavs are able to rehab DB's image heading into the summer (and his shooting gets back to his career 40% from three level), that DB could be a real piece involved in a John Collins trade with ATL. DB seems like a guy Travis Schlenk would be interested in.
There's a level of productivity at which the Mavs would decide DB is too valuable here, to trade. That sounds odd, in light of the conversations when he was acquired, but he's such a pure shooter with height, and able to get off shots.
But what if they can get him corner 3s with great regularity? There he shoots well over 50% (!) season after season. (For example, this season with the Wiz, when his numbers looked bad, he made 57% on corner 3s for the season. 57%. Not a typo.) Consider the possibilities and impact.
(02-17-2022, 12:26 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Question about Holmes.
As of right now a Hardaway for Holmes swap doesn't work financially by about a million bucks but with Hardaway's contract descending and Holmes' ascending I think it may work next year (just at first glance, haven't done the actual math on it).
My question is when does that kick in for trades? Will those numbers be official at the end of the season/by draft night?
I know a lot of folks don't want us to trade that pick and put more value in it but Holmes would be better than any center there in the draft and if we swapped Hardaway/20ish-th pick for Holmes we'd address our frontcourt depth and save some money in the process. Kings have some backcourt minutes to spare now and need some shooting with Hield gone....
Powell has to be outbound, either in the same trade or a diff one, for a Holmes trade to make sense within this roster. I've long wanted DP gone, but how much of an upgrade would that be, from DP to Holmes?
(02-17-2022, 12:26 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Question about Holmes.
As of right now a Hardaway for Holmes swap doesn't work financially by about a million bucks but with Hardaway's contract descending and Holmes' ascending I think it may work next year (just at first glance, haven't done the actual math on it).
My question is when does that kick in for trades? Will those numbers be official at the end of the season/by draft night?
I know a lot of folks don't want us to trade that pick and put more value in it but Holmes would be better than any center there in the draft and if we swapped Hardaway/20ish-th pick for Holmes we'd address our frontcourt depth and save some money in the process. Kings have some backcourt minutes to spare now and need some shooting with Hield gone....
Current season salaries at the draft. New salaries after the moratorium. Moot in this case as even next year the $11.2mm Holmes contract isn’t a match for the $19.6mm THJ contract. Sac would need to add about $3.3mm in additional salary.
If your question is more about the pick, it is possible to agree to a draft night deal of Holmes/$3.3mm Player for THJ/Pick and not consummate it until after the moratorium. Dallas would draft for Sacramento.
(02-17-2022, 12:27 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]There's a level of productivity at which the Mavs would decide DB is too valuable here, to trade. That sounds odd, in light of the conversations when he was acquired, but he's such a pure shooter with height, and able to get off shots.
But what if they can get him corner 3s with great regularity? There he shoots well over 50% (!) season after season. (For example, this season with the Wiz, when his numbers looked bad, he made 57% on corner 3s for the season. 57%. Not a typo.) Consider the possibilities and impact.
I 100% hear you. I for one, have been excited about Bertans from moment one.
But if I have the chance to add the 24 year old JC, who has a much wider talent and skill range, I would do it. Especially if the Mavs want to be a "small ball" everyone switch on D team, JC is the perfect C IMO.
(02-17-2022, 12:33 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Powell has to be outbound, either in the same trade or a diff one, for a Holmes trade to make sense within this roster. I've long wanted DP gone, but how much of an upgrade would that be, from DP to Holmes?
My hope would be to move DP into the second unit with Holmes taking the vast majority of the minutes. I feel that Powell has looked much better in Kidds defense then anyone would have imagined and I feel Holmes would perform even better in that role. And we all know the damage that Luka can do with a good roll man.
I'd rather work to add to our front court then try to replace and improve simply because we don't have a ton of (useful) bodies there while we have a logjam in the backcourt once everyone is healthy.
(02-17-2022, 12:33 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]but how much of an upgrade would that be, from DP to Holmes?
If you're getting the Powell we've seen for the past few weeks, I'm honestly not sure it even is an upgrade. I know that won't be popular, but it's my honest opinion.
(02-17-2022, 12:42 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]If you're getting the Powell we've seen for the past few weeks, I'm honestly not sure it even is an upgrade. I know that won't be popular, but it's my honest opinion.
It is a very legit and respectable opinion to have. DP has been legit and has a known positive connection with Luka and a great lockerroom guy.