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(03-03-2022, 06:21 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]The list of established guys that don’t get played off the court in the playoffs is small. Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Bam…..and maybe Ayton now too. It’s not easy to get one of these guys who can do it all in the playoffs 

We need the “Zubac” big mainly for the regular season, but also possibly for the playoffs. Being versatile and having lineup options will make us a better team…..the main lineup though should continue to be small ball going forward with one mobile big or even none if we feel like it. I view DFS as the Draymond Green of this defense who can guard 1-5

Gobert makes no sense. Strategically it makes sense to go cheap on bigs and save the big money for the other positions. Like how smartly run NFL franchises go cheap at RB

Collins and Grant make the most sense if you want a big name player who fits what we want to do. Holmes would be great for a mid level option, though he could sit during the playoffs if we need him too. Cheap (vet min) options are everywhere. Thomas Bryant?

Don’t have the assets to pull it off but Christian Wood would be the 5 I would want.

(03-03-2022, 06:31 PM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t have the assets to pull it off but Christian Wood would be the 5 I would want.

I like Wood as an experiment since he'll be an expiring next year but have major concerns about his motor and ego.  Also don't think he works great in a switching defense like ours.

(03-03-2022, 06:21 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Gobert makes no sense. Strategically it makes sense to go cheap on bigs and save the big money for the other positions. Like how smartly run NFL franchises go cheap at RB

Collins and Grant make the most sense if you want a big name player who fits what we want to do. Holmes would be great for a mid level option, though he could sit during the playoffs if we need him too. Cheap (vet min) options are everywhere. Thomas Bryant?

I support your position.


Though, when playing "small ball", aren't the Mavs actually pretty big? Last night's closing lineup of Luka, SD, DP, RB, DFS ranged from 6'5" SD to 6'10" DP with the others at 6'6" to 6'7". That feels like it's actually a pretty big lineup for not having a traditional center.

(03-04-2022, 12:04 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]I support your position.


Though, when playing "small ball", aren't the Mavs actually pretty big? Last night's closing lineup of Luka, SD, DP, RB, DFS ranged from 6'5" SD to 6'10" DP with the others at 6'6" to 6'7". That feels like it's actually a pretty big lineup for not having a traditional center.

Agree and i believe that’s the point of small ball. The focus from fans is the lack of traditional center. The other side of it though is deemphasizing small players as well. It’s why Luka is such a competitive advantage at PG. Ideally you would have big guards out there. If everyone is switching everything, then everyone needs to be able to do everything. Positionless where everyone defends, rebounds, scores, shoots 3’s etc. It’s tougher to beat

Sucks that the Mavs went 8-2 over last 10 games and haven’t made up any ground because everyone else is red hot too

(03-03-2022, 06:01 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Wondering what Orlando plans to do with Mo Bamba. They've got WCS locked up for the next few years, so I imagine they might not want to spend too much money on Bamba if he's gonna be a backup for them. They also probably want to try winning again at some point.

How about a S&T of Bamba + Terrence Ross for THJ, Powell, and the '22 1st?

I think that is massively overpayment. 

The first thing is that Powell is really undervalued here. He is not an all star, but he is doing his job. Also, it looks like that after KP trade, roles in the team are much more defined. Chemistry is back and it looks like that FO wants to give the ball to the players who is in the best position at the moment and not changing and adjusting the game so the player xy will taking the shoots.

Also, Powell's contract expires after next season and i think that he is staying here and taking some 4-5 millions smaller contract. And with all respect to the all other players i really don't see so much bigger improvement at the center position with Robinson, Holmes, Bamba and all others to be spending another 10-15 mil. per season on another center.

Currently looks that FO won a KP trade and they want that our outer line is having ball in their hands, while bigs are doing ''dirty job''.

The second thing is undervaluing draft picks here. 2022 it looks like an interesting one. Players are moving from 5-6 pick to the even 2 round and i think we can grab a starter in this year draft. And also that pick could define future trades our FO will be doing. And Kidd also shows that he is the right coach for the young players. From ''unplayable Green'' he is doing a solid ''rotational player'' and if Nico and FO can find real potential i think Kidd can do wonders with them.

I'm really interesting to see how will our smaller rotation looks like when Timmy return. After the KP trade, Cuban also talked that we will be in luxury tax next year so i hope that this suggest also about Brunson extension.

This roster looks really, really deep one.

Powell - Kleber - Marjanovic
DFS - Bertans - Chriss
Bullock - Green
Brunson - Hardaway
Luka - Dinwiddie - Ntilkina

Also we have first round pick to spend.

After that i think players we should be monitoring are Tobias Harris, Randle and maybe also Grant.

Price for Grant & Collins is probably to high for us, but i'm interested to see what's the price for Julius Randle if Knicks are still losing. 

Also, for Harris there were some rumours that we are interested. He is not looking happy in Philadelphia, on a bad contract, so i'm interested to see what will Philly want for him. Bertans + sallary filler (Brown, Burke...) + 2 round pick? 

He is still almost 20p scorer, there is connections with Boban and i think he is the next could quckly become happy and efficient here Dallas.

I´m tired of early overcorrections. Let´s just see what the new MBT can do with a 22nd pick. Don´t just piss it away for a salary dump. Just keep THJ, Dinwiddie and Bertans for now. We desperately need a legit big (for 15-20 minutes at least) to counter specific match-ups like Sabonis, but that can be achieved with the player pick itself, free agency or some other small trade. Centers are cheap.

(03-05-2022, 11:02 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I´m tired of early overcorrections. Let´s just see what the new MBT can do with a 22nd pick. Don´t just piss it away for a salary dump. Just keep THJ, Dinwiddie and Bertans for now. We desperately need a legit big (for 15-20 minutes at least) to counter specific match-ups like Sabonis, but that can be achieved with the player pick itself, free agency or some other small trade. Centers are cheap.

Hell yes!  Let's not piss away our picks.  That's what the Mavs have done for the last...century...or so--except for luka.  Picks are valuable.  Picks are one of the more important ways to continually evolve a team.  If you don't use your picks intelligently the team will peak (hopefully), stagnate (woe!)...and fall from contention.  Picks are gold, or even platinum--like Luka.  Free agency and other trades can be gold, or silver...  

Of course, all of the aforementioned can also be garbage if the the MBT don't take them seriously, or simply flail around hoping to hit a nugget in a pile of manure.  But that was the old MBT...right!  Isn't it?...right...?...

(03-05-2022, 11:02 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I´m tired of early overcorrections. Let´s just see what the new MBT can do with a 22nd pick. Don´t just piss it away for a salary dump. Just keep THJ, Dinwiddie and Bertans for now. We desperately need a legit big (for 15-20 minutes at least) to counter specific match-ups like Sabonis, but that can be achieved with the player pick itself, free agency or some other small trade. Centers are cheap.

Even just trading out for a future first rounder would be very advantageous if we don't have a draft day deal
I feel like that option was such a blind spot to Donnie for whatever reason

(03-06-2022, 01:34 AM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like that option was such a blind spot to Donnie for whatever reason

I feel like Donnie was mailing it in the last couple of seasons. He got Luka and then retired on the job

(03-05-2022, 09:14 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: [ -> ]I think that is massively overpayment. 

The first thing is that Powell is really undervalued here. He is not an all star, but he is doing his job. Also, it looks like that after KP trade, roles in the team are much more defined. Chemistry is back and it looks like that FO wants to give the ball to the players who is in the best position at the moment and not changing and adjusting the game so the player xy will taking the shoots.

Also, Powell's contract expires after next season and i think that he is staying here and taking some 4-5 millions smaller contract. And with all respect to the all other players i really don't see so much bigger improvement at the center position with Robinson, Holmes, Bamba and all others to be spending another 10-15 mil. per season on another center.

Currently looks that FO won a KP trade and they want that our outer line is having ball in their hands, while bigs are doing ''dirty job''.

The second thing is undervaluing draft picks here. 2022 it looks like an interesting one. Players are moving from 5-6 pick to the even 2 round and i think we can grab a starter in this year draft. And also that pick could define future trades our FO will be doing. And Kidd also shows that he is the right coach for the young players. From ''unplayable Green'' he is doing a solid ''rotational player'' and if Nico and FO can find real potential i think Kidd can do wonders with them.

I'm really interesting to see how will our smaller rotation looks like when Timmy return. After the KP trade, Cuban also talked that we will be in luxury tax next year so i hope that this suggest also about Brunson extension.

This roster looks really, really deep one.

Powell - Kleber - Marjanovic
DFS - Bertans - Chriss
Bullock - Green
Brunson - Hardaway
Luka - Dinwiddie - Ntilkina

Also we have first round pick to spend.

After that i think players we should be monitoring are Tobias Harris, Randle and maybe also Grant.

Price for Grant & Collins is probably to high for us, but i'm interested to see what's the price for Julius Randle if Knicks are still losing. 

Also, for Harris there were some rumours that we are interested. He is not looking happy in Philadelphia, on a bad contract, so i'm interested to see what will Philly want for him. Bertans + sallary filler (Brown, Burke...) + 2 round pick? 

He is still almost 20p scorer, there is connections with Boban and i think he is the next could quckly become happy and efficient here Dallas.

I agree that trading for Mo Bamba is not the answer, but Powell is not a starting center on a contender.  As others have mentioned, a starting center in the 10-12 mil range makes a ton of sense.  Somebody like a Holmes who would improve rebounding and rim protection and is less likely to played off the court then a traditional center.  He also happens to be a distressed asset that we might actually be able to get.

Not really sure how Randle fits on this team?  Either defensively or offensively.  

Harris is a distressed asset but I don't think Bertans plus filler and a second will be enough.  We have a lot of money tied up in overpriced bench players (Bertans, THJ, Powell) and it would make sense to combine some of that for an overpriced starter.  I am a little concerned that Harris can play effectively in Kidd's defense.

I've long felt MK is almost the perfect player to put next to Sabonis (MT should have been, but he wanted a bigger role and MK is happy to do what the team needs him to do). 

I think Holmes is an upgrade to Powell, but isn't paid so much that putting him on the bench when it's a bad matchup for him is a problem. If we take his line from 2 years ago where he played 28 mpg (hopefully playing on a better team he has much more motivation and puts up better numbers, but that year as a baseline), and add the 20 mpg stats Powell is contributing to the team this year, I think that is a good enough C combo.

My one issue that has been raised recently is Holmes size. At first I thought that was ridiculous thinking he was much bigger than he is. After seeing him next to Powell last night, they are basically exactly the same size. I think RH is slightly taller than DP (seemingly from the camera shots I saw last night) and they have about the same bulk. 

My biggest question is does he have the ability to play bigger than he is? Neither Powell or MK have that ability (although they can play smaller than they are though which is about as good). If he can mostly stand his ground against the likes of Poeltl/Jokic/Zubac/Ayton/Embiid and any other big bigs we see in the league, that is a full on win for us. If not, he's still a slight upgrade.

To me, an MK for RH straight up swap makes sense for both teams. It puts 2 bigs (in him and Powell) that play roughly a similar offensive role to play throughout the game. Stability of play on offense. On Defense, he's a rim protector and rebounder that we haven't had in our big spot for a LOOOOOOONG time. Holmes rebounding is pretty much exactly what we need with a big time rebounding PG in Luka and he replaces MK's rim protection.

Next, figuring out how to get PJ Washington for our big wing spot!!! Because:

JB/SD
LD/JG
DFS/RB
PJW
RH/DP

Could be a team that makes some noise in the playoffs.

Nurkic
Favors
Bamba
Lopez
Dieng
Whiteside
Dedmon
Hartenstein
Robinson
Biyombo
Thompson
McGee
Howard
Drummond

So many options this summer. Don´t think we need to pay any asset for Holmes.

(03-03-2022, 04:02 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Agree with all of this and it kind of hints to my point about Gobert (which I believe is something you've echoed as well around here).

I think that's why people are very enamored with someone like Collins who may not necessarily be someone who gives us more size, but improves on what we're currently doing and isn't someone who will be played off during the playoffs.  More likely, he'd be someone forcing folks off the floor.

Yep count me in, I would much rather pay something like this if I am a team

John Collins + Mitchell Robinson or Cint Cappella > Rudy Gobert

Or as someone said above 

John Collins + Isiah Stewart > Rudy Gobert 

If I am the Mavericks I target a big in the draft with a high motor and the ability to play defense and defend. I use that Hardaway contract to bring in another wing scorer that is more of a traditional small forward.

(03-06-2022, 11:09 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that trading for Mo Bamba is not the answer, but Powell is not a starting center on a contender.  As others have mentioned, a starting center in the 10-12 mil range makes a ton of sense.  Somebody like a Holmes who would improve rebounding and rim protection and is less likely to played off the court then a traditional center.  He also happens to be a distressed asset that we might actually be able to get.

Not really sure how Randle fits on this team?  Either defensively or offensively.  

Harris is a distressed asset but I don't think Bertans plus filler and a second will be enough.  We have a lot of money tied up in overpriced bench players (Bertans, THJ, Powell) and it would make sense to combine some of that for an overpriced starter.  I am a little concerned that Harris can play effectively in Kidd's defense.

I agree that Powell is not a starting center on a contender and i agree that a center at the 8-12 mil. range makes a lot of sense.

 I agree with Holmes, but i think sending 1 round pick and important players for him is still an overpay.

I'm completly happy with this roster going together into the next season, and i'm really interested to see how will the roster looks like when Hardaway returns.

And we still got 1 round pick to spend in this draft.

Mavs2021
Nurkic

Favors
Bamba
Lopez
Dieng
Whiteside
Dedmon
Hartenstein
Robinson
Biyombo
Thompson
McGee
Howard
Drummond

So many options this summer. Don´t think we need to pay any asset for Holmes.

That's also the reason why i'm against paying assest for Holmes.

How much of cap space in FA will we have if Brunson signs new contract?

Harrell, Drummond, Bamba, Bryant, Favors... Will all probably be available in that or. MLE range.

(03-06-2022, 12:07 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Nurkic
Favors
Bamba
Lopez
Dieng
Whiteside
Dedmon
Hartenstein
Robinson
Biyombo
Thompson
McGee
Howard
Drummond

So many options this summer. Don´t think we need to pay any asset for Holmes.

So how are we acquiring one of these guys?  We will be in the tax and have the tax MLE at best, and there are reasons we may not be able to use that.

Also, who do you see in our finishing lineup in a play-off game?  Right now I would say Luka/DFS/Din/Brunson make the most sense.  That group could really use a rim protecting center who won't get switched off the court.  Maxi would be good defensively, but he has not been a great option offensively in these kind of situations.  I'm not a fan of that role for Powell or any of those guys on your list that we could get for the tax MLE.

I don't want to give up an asset for Holmes, but THJ for Holmes would make a ton of sense.

(03-06-2022, 01:23 PM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that Powell is not a starting center on a contender and i agree that a center at the 8-12 mil. range makes a lot of sense.

 I agree with Holmes, but i think sending 1 round pick and important players for him is still an overpay.

I'm completly happy with this roster going together into the next season, and i'm really interested to see how will the roster looks like when Hardaway returns.

And we still got 1 round pick to spend in this draft.

That's also the reason why i'm against paying assest for Holmes.

How much of cap space in FA will we have if Brunson signs new contract?

Harrell, Drummond, Bamba, Bryant, Favors... Will all probably be available in that or. MLE range.

We will not have cap space even if we don't sign Brunson.  In fact I think we will still be in the tax if we don't sign him.  Best case we will have 6 mil for tax MLE and may not even have that.  Our options to acquire a starting caliber center (which I think we need) is limited to trades.  

Don't advocate sending a first for Holmes.  Hoping THJ would be enough.

(03-06-2022, 02:53 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]So how are we acquiring one of these guys?  We will be in the tax and have the tax MLE at best, and there are reasons we may not be able to use that.

Also, who do you see in our finishing lineup in a play-off game?  Right now I would say Luka/DFS/Din/Brunson make the most sense.  That group could really use a rim protecting center who won't get switched off the court.  Maxi would be good defensively, but he has not been a great option offensively in these kind of situations.  I'm not a fan of that role for Powell or any of those guys on your list that we could get for the tax MLE.

I don't want to give up an asset for Holmes, but THJ for Holmes would make a ton of sense.

I think a lot of them will be available for the tax MLE. Normally, those are probably not final piece which can put us for direct contender, but are best for available at the current market situation.

Alongiside this, i would be looking for some undrafted players from this years draft. In the 1 round pick i really don't see a big man on which i would take the risk and draft him in the 1 round (i think there will be some more safety picks on other positions), but while watching some draft boards for 2022 draft there are a few centers who are moving from lottery pick to the even out of 60.

Nzosa, Diop, Kamagate, Foster, Koloko, Ibou Dianko Badji... I think a few of them will surely end up undrafted and without a big risk we can take a gamble on a more longterm projects.

E: Didn't see your second post.

(03-06-2022, 02:53 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]So how are we acquiring one of these guys?  We will be in the tax and have the tax MLE at best, and there are reasons we may not be able to use that.

Also, who do you see in our finishing lineup in a play-off game?  Right now I would say Luka/DFS/Din/Brunson make the most sense.  That group could really use a rim protecting center who won't get switched off the court.  Maxi would be good defensively, but he has not been a great option offensively in these kind of situations.  I'm not a fan of that role for Powell or any of those guys on your list that we could get for the tax MLE.

I don't want to give up an asset for Holmes, but THJ for Holmes would make a ton of sense.

How do you feel about Mo Bamba via a sign and trade?

(03-06-2022, 03:38 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]How do you feel about Mo Bamba via a sign and trade?

He feels a little bit like a poor man's KP to me.  Maybe its just 7 footer PTSD.  Also I'm not sure we can even do a sign and trade?  I think somebody mentioned we would not be able to due to our tax situation.