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(05-10-2022, 03:24 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I remember Maxi doing a great job on Kawhi the first year until he hurt his back. Then last year he went into the playoffs with his back being bad. That’s why I’ve been wanting him to not get as many minutes during the season, so he could go into the playoffs ready to go at tip top shape.

Yep.  I think him taking a couple of weeks off before the playoffs started was huge.  Hope he holds up as we have needed a lot of minutes from him.

been praying to get gobert ...I am having a hard time accepting the idea that traditional centers are having less and less impact...we are even slowing down Ayton, who is supposed to be modern and dynamic... Isaak seems healthy at last..can this kid make a career in the NBA? what would it cost us?..his skill set would be perfect as our 5 in my opinion..ideally Siakam but I guess it would be impossible to catch him

So, I don't get how different it would be to have Collins/Siakam/Isaac types at the C spot and no one suggests DFS or even Luka just play the C full time. 

I'll say, I think a lot of the injuries that are happening throughout the NBA so much are because of players being asked to play outside the ability they should play. At this moment, I'm talking mostly about smaller guys being asked to play against bigs but I think the statement has multiple applications. When we ask someone 220-240 to go up against guys that are 260-280, you're asking for injury to your guys.

Maxi is not outplaying Ayton. If he were, the Mavs wouldn’t have lost the rebounding battle in every single game. The Mavs inside play, or lack of it, has been the difference in the series so far.

(05-11-2022, 12:06 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi is not outplaying Ayton. If he were, the Mavs wouldn’t have lost the rebounding battle in every single game. The Mavs inside play, or lack of it, has been the difference in the series so far.

There is more to that comparison than rebounding.  Maxi has had a much better defensive impact and held his own on the offensive end (at least before this last game).  The fact that our starting center has been useless has definitely been an issue that needs to be rectified this offseason, but lack of inside play has not really been an issue outside the first half of the first game and this last game, and there were a lot of reasons we lost this last game.

Milwalkee got Jrue Holiday with similar assets to ours:

- Eric Bledsoe (bad contract with 2 years to expire);
- #24 on the '20 draft;
- '25 and '27 1st round picks (Unprotected);
- '24 and '26 pick swaps.

Holiday was 29, averaged 19/5/7 on 45/35/70 with All-NBA Defense writen all over him. He wanted a big extension and got it from the Bucks.

IS THERE ANYONE AVAILABLE OUT THERE?

Candidates:

Beal (28)? Murray (26)? Gobert (29)? Lavine (27)?

An offer of Dinwiddie/filler (In case of a contract too big)/#26/'25 and '27 1st/'24 and '26 swaps should be enough.

Now Isaac/Brogdon/Collins/Grant/Simmons should also be available at a lower price.

(05-12-2022, 09:16 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]Isaac/Brogdon/Collins/Grant/Simmons should also be available at a lower price

I am not sure about Isaac. Even if full medicals would be disclosed, he is so injury prone that I would be reluctant to gamble serious assets. On the other side it makes little sense for Orlando to trade him at his up to now all time low value. I think he stays with Orlando

The story is similar for Collins and Simmons. Their teams are in win now mode and would be willing to trade them for upgrades only. Best case Mavs could jump in with that offer as a third team. Looks like Gobert is prime Atlanta target and there are rumors they want another big wing. Even a swap of Collins and Simmons could be possible.

Brogdon is a great player, certainly better than Dinwiddie. Not so sure about the fit, assuming Brunson stays. Would he be willing to come from bench or would we play Luka, Brunson and him together? 

Grant could be available, although it is also possible that Detroit would see him as a great vet for their young guys. Existing roster, another top3 pick and perhaps a decent FA signing could be enough to put Detroit in at least the play-in conversation. I think the key with Grant is to convince him he wants to be a Mav. Detroit might do him good.

(05-12-2022, 09:16 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]Milwalkee got Jrue Holiday with similar assets to ours:

- Eric Bledsoe (bad contract with 2 years to expire);
- #24 on the '20 draft;
- '25 and '27 1st round picks (Unprotected);
- '24 and '26 pick swaps.

Holiday was 29, averaged 19/5/7 on 45/35/70 with All-NBA Defense writen all over him. He wanted a big extension and got it from the Bucks.

IS THERE ANYONE AVAILABLE OUT THERE?

Candidates:

Beal (28)? Murray (26)? Gobert (29)? Lavine (27)?

An offer of Dinwiddie/filler (In case of a contract too big)/#26/'25 and '27 1st/'24 and '26 swaps should be enough.

Now Isaac/Brogdon/Collins/Grant/Simmons should also be available at a lower price.

It's kind of crazy that I asked this same question last night on a different thread (don't know if that inspired this post).

I have some thoughts:

I think it makes the most sense to make this move next offseason.  Once the Nicks make our 23 pick, we have access to all of our picks, and our negative contracts will have a year less on them (with most of the smaller crappy contracts gone).

I don't really think Beal and Lavine are nearly as good a fit as Jrue.  They are both high usage players that are sub par on defense.

Murray is a little closer in that he is above average defender, but he is not much of a 3 point shooter and his usage has gone way up as well.

Honestly, of that group Gobert is probably the bet fit being an elite defender who does not require the ball, and he generates his own space (vertical).  Having an elite rebounder wouldn't hurt either.  He will also probably be cheaper to get than those first two guys.

One name you didn't mention was Fred VanVleet.  He has a lot of overlap with Brunson, but is much higher volume three point shooter and a much better perimeter defender.

Honestly if we were going to make a big move this offseason, it would be hard to argue with Gobert.  He fits a position of need, he is probably the best fit with Luka, and given his insane contract he might even be getable.

(05-10-2022, 10:36 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]So, I don't get how different it would be to have Collins/Siakam/Isaac types at the C spot and no one suggests DFS or even Luka just play the C full time. 

I'll say, I think a lot of the injuries that are happening throughout the NBA so much are because of players being asked to play outside the ability they should play. At this moment, I'm talking mostly about smaller guys being asked to play against bigs but I think the statement has multiple applications. When we ask someone 220-240 to go up against guys that are 260-280, you're asking for injury to your guys.

This sounds logical. But if you’ve watched the NCAA tournament regularly since the addition of the 3 point line back in the 80s, the game evolved there in the very same way. As soon as 3-point percentages get high enough, shooting and defending the 3 becomes the most essential skill. The difficulty of shooting those extra-long NBA 3s kept big men viable an extra couple of decades or so. But they’re gonna hafta adapt to survive. 

BTW, a few days ago I posted that Maxi and DFS might provide most of the minutes at the 5 next year. So it kinda has been suggested.

Is Kyrie a possibility? Sounds like Brooklyn is luke warm on him after yesterday’s comments from Sean Marks. Dinwidde has some history there. 

I see the speculation that KI will decline his option and sign somewhere (Brooklyn or elsewhere) as a max free agent. Obviously that would rule out the Mavs. But the dude is a strange bird and might be more than willing to opt in so that he can pick his destination. 


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news...rss9bi1tap

(05-12-2022, 12:27 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Is Kyrie a possibility? Sounds like Brooklyn is luke warm on him after yesterday’s comments from Sean Marks. Dinwidde has some history there. 

I see the speculation that KI will decline his option and sign somewhere (Brooklyn or elsewhere) as a max free agent. Obviously that would rule out the Mavs. But the dude is a strange bird and might be more than willing to opt in so that he can pick his destination. 


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news...rss9bi1tap

Who in the world would pay Kyrie the max? You are a young rebuilding team, do you want that crazy person in your locker room? Nobody else will have sufficient capspace and if you are a contender that is close enough and does have the capspace, you´d rather have Beal or Lavine. Oh god....

Re-united and it feels so good...

Phil Jackson wants to trade LeBron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qamC_3VItH4

Brogdon should be HARD PASS. He's regularly injured, playing fewer and fewer games each season (prior 4 seasons he only played 48, 64, 54, 56, and down to 36 this season), and his performance is not as good as you think (31% on 3s, defensive rating abysmal). In light of his SIZABLE contract that has 3 more years to go, with him hitting 30 this fall, steer clear and look elsewhere.

(05-12-2022, 01:04 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Phil Jackson wants to trade LeBron.

What is the realistic value of a 37 year old Lebron? 

Like the guy still can turn it up, but it's obvious he brings a circus everywhere he goes. He also gives up as soon as it gets tough.

(05-12-2022, 11:42 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]What is the realistic value of a 37 year old Lebron? 

Like the guy still can turn it up, but it's obvious he brings a circus everywhere he goes. He also gives up as soon as it gets tough.

I bet you could get a few FRPs.  Most teams would have to trade him somewhere he wants to go since he has some many connections with Klutch but LA might be a team that could get away with dumping him to whomever.  

I actually think he'd work at well for the Mavs as a player if we want to go five out.  He wouldn't have to carry the water anymore with Luka and could focus on defense more, play less minutes and be a guy that can give Luka spurts of rest.  You'd also get your fill of veteran ring chasers for two years.  The personality concerns very valid, but I bet it would make Luka very, very happy.

Really excited about current roster. Hardaway, Dinwiddie, Ntilikina, Green is an impressive mix of offense and defense off the bench at 1-3 spots. Maxi and Davis also getting it done. 

I get the desire for a bruiser, especially if it’s somebody 5-out compatible. But watching Spencer reawaken after Frank’s emergence just reminded me that Tim’s comeback is also expected. I’m starting to think of this team as deep.

(05-12-2022, 11:47 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I actually think he'd work at well for the Mavs as a player if we want to go five out.  He wouldn't have to carry the water anymore with Luka and could focus on defense more, play less minutes and be a guy that can give Luka spurts of rest.  You'd also get your fill of veteran ring chasers for two years.  The personality concerns very valid, but I bet it would make Luka very, very happy.

I think LeBron would be an awesome all in move for a window of two season. He would allow us to play ultimate 5 out as he can easily play positions 1 through 5. As you said, Mavs are good enough to let him cruise through the season and focus on playoffs. I think it would be really fun to watch him and Luka. LeBron-Luka-DFS-Bullock-Brunson would be a killing line-up.

His friends are getting old so not really sure I want many of those vet min vets  But we would likely get more from guys like Melo or Howard then Burke and Brown

According to Indy beat writer:
- Brogdon is gone if someone offers something
- Hield is likely gone (in a Indy SRP for FRP kind of deal)
- Turner is 50-50

Depends a lot on the draft lottery. 

Pacers mailbag: Trade Malcolm Brogdon or Myles Turner? Best NBA Draft options? - The Athletic

(05-13-2022, 05:06 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]According to Indy beat writer:
- Brogdon is gone if someone offers something
- Hield is likely gone (in a Indy SRP for FRP kind of deal)
- Turner is 50-50

Depends a lot on the draft lottery. 

Pacers mailbag: Trade Malcolm Brogdon or Myles Turner? Best NBA Draft options? - The Athletic

Among Top 50 players in D-EPM.  The bigs who are also top 50 percentile in 3% are:

PJ Tucker
Muscala
Crowder
Achiuwa
Turner

I left off Embiid, George and Covington as unrealistic.  Hartenstein doesn't qualify because attempts are too low.

If you want to play more five out and defend from the big spot with someone other than Maxi, isn't Turner the way you have to go?  Powell, Green and Pick doesn't match the money (we have to match to 125%, not $5mm+$100k).  Would it take something besides Green and Pick to talk Indy into Bertans?  If so, what?

Turner is the guy. If you can get him without sacrificing the playoff core of Luka/Brunson/Bullock/DFS/Maxi and future picks, you have to pull the trigger.